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I bought Dangan Ronpa 1+2 during the last couple of days of the steam sale but I already know most of the broad strokes and plot twists due to lps i read when i thought I would never play these games/bad wikis that don't hide spoilers. I've enjoyed what little I've played of 1 but I'm worried about playing past the 2 hour mark. Should I not worry about it and play it through?
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Jul 8, 2018 02:49
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Jul 8, 2018 04:47
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Sakurazuka posted:I'll somewhat disagree on the ending though while it could have been done more subtly than 'and everyone comes in for a giant party' I feel like the tone shift was required to show what Takueru had finally regained through his actions and I also feel like there was no way he would have reintegrated properly if he hadn't at least partly lost his memories and gone back to how he was before. Maybe it's just a cop out I dunno but I didn't hate it. My main beef with Alternative's ending isn't really the tonal whiplash, though there is that. Without using spoilers, it just feels like a 'cop-out' intellectually. Like, after reading several tens or even hundreds of hours of VN and riding the emotional rollercoaster to get there, you get hit with the 'it might as well have not happened at all' card; to pull that at the end of a long-rear end trilogy just doesn't feel very good, even if it might make sense for the story. I don't want to use the word insulting, but that's how I felt afterwords, and it just leaves a bitter after-taste.
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Raxivace posted:Yeah its interesting that that seems to be a common sentiment among several of us who read Alternative for the first time within the last year or so. I can completely understand a teen/college-aged person preferring the more action-packed nature of Alternative (and being impacted by its drama more due to having less of a sense for anime tropes/cliches). I probably would have felt the same if I played it in college, instead of around the age of ~26/27. I think a big reason I liked Unlimited more is that a lot of its plot elements were just more interesting; I enjoyed the whole focus on the other characters growing up in a different culture where technology was different and people played cat's cradle and stuff. I really wish that the characters had been more interesting, though; I feel like Unlimited could have been truly great if its characters weren't as relatively cliche as they were. I feel like player response to the Muv-Luv games and player response to Umineko are a good gauge for someone's general VN taste, since it seems like VN readers are more or less split into two subgroups - people who really love Muv-Luv Alternative (more than Unlimited) and really dislike Umineko, and people who still like Alternative a lot (but don't think it's the best thing ever and might prefer Unlimited) and think Umineko is easily the #1 or #2 VN. The latter is probably sufficient as a litmus test on its own (since the gap between people who dislike it and people who think it's literally the best VN is so huge), but opinions on the former usually coincide with it. edit: One particularly weird thing about the people who recommend skipping Extra/Unlimited is that I think one of the cooler things the VN does is include a bunch of random references to the events of Alternative/Unlimited in Extra. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Jul 8, 2018 07:09
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On chapter 7 of Ashen Hawk and the story got so real so fast. can't believe I got pulled again into this series trick of 'we're going to very clearly foreshadow that it's a character close to the MC who is doing the killings but you're not going to want to think about it and the reveal will come as a surprise'. I had even forgotten about the black shadow. Also that awkward moment where you gain the power to see into a person's mind and end up seeing your 'he's like a brother to me' wet dreams about you. I want this to happen with every single one of them while Jed is just going 'drat guys I'm just trying to solve this mystery I don't need this crap rn'
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Jul 8, 2018 13:41
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Jul 8, 2018 17:58
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Basically where the game is good it's being real good. Better than the other one. I think this writer is really good at covering the more real and relatable ugly emotions that we all feel, just exacerbated by either extreme conditions or the plot device. But fails/slacks when they try to go for maximum drama/broken people because they end up not being relatable in any stretch of the imagination, and because I feel for these characters (Levi and Hikage) the plot device serves more as cop-out that you can take or leave. I still haven't reached the end but the Levi thing is so far what I'm most displeased about because while it was foreshadowed and made logistic sense (a lot of his scenes make more sense now) it didn't seem to make any emotional sense (im no specialist but I don't think serial killers are like Levi is characterized). I also suspect that ashen hawk is Levi and Lavan father and Jeds uncle lmao. But I don't mind (too much) hosed up stories of families if they are well written. And psychadelica is more drama than a straight romance where you expect the LIs to be someone you actually want to be dating. Meallan fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Jul 8, 2018 18:45
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Meallan posted:Basically where the game is good it's being real good. Better than the other one. The scenario writers did a good job with interpersonal conflict and relationships within a small sphere but I felt that beyond it they major conflicts fell flat esp with the plot holes. Also, the need to tie it back to PBB for some reason meant there were a lot of weird refs that didn't fit at all. The side stories would have been a good place to explore the problems but they ended up being fluff. Some players have said PBB had more cohesive story but at the same time I kept wondering about Hikage's route and his entire life. Also the whole tragedy angle could have been downplayed due to how alianating it ended up. I did find it funny how the alt ending was just they did nothing and nothing happened. The end. What's the point of a ending that doesn't change anything at all? On the other hand people have mentioned it didn't feel like otome due to the lack of romance but I disagreed since it's very much the story of a girl who overcomes obstacles for her own path. I do wish they expanded on the individual endings b/c they felt empty compared to the common route.
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I agree with you with the otome comment; it's really reductive to classify an otome as a game with a common route + LI routes just because that's what most games go with. You can do so much more with the genre! This scenario writer is still new and I've felt an improvement over BB in the general writtinf and especially character interactions. I saw there's another project ligned out for this person and it seems it's sort of a French military setting so I hope they continue with the strong and engaging protagonists. It's true that BB was more cohesive but Ashen Hawk felt more ambitious to me. I absolutely loved getting to know more of the village, the background into the families and the several conflicts in place. While BB was focused on one singular incident, this one can't trace their story back so easily and most characters have multiple things going on. I hope this person grows a tad more focused and cohesive and def learns better pacing. I also hope they eventually focus on what they do best: interpersonal conflicts that are more grounded and the uglier feelings one can relate to.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:30
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I checked VNDB and it's actually Rose Of Versailles which is a well-known story so I'm curious how they will adapt it. RoV is one of the best examples of Strong FeMC with Oscar who was raised as a boy to become a French commander along with her childhood friend Andre. At the same time moving the setting to HS sounds strange since a huge aspect of the original took place during the historical times. Now time to wait for the remainder of 2018 if we'll get any otome releases on PC 
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Alder posted:I checked VNDB and it's actually Rose Of Versailles which is a well-known story so I'm curious how they will adapt it. RoV is one of the best examples of Strong FeMC with Oscar who was raised as a boy to become a French commander along with her childhood friend Andre. At the same time moving the setting to HS sounds strange since a huge aspect of the original took place during the historical times. You mean high school setting present day or military academy with real young people? Can't find anything about the game but the name and that trailer tease (I confess it did look like she was in a play)
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Jul 9, 2018 11:23
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Are the Xblaze VNs worth reading if you've no idea about the BlazBlue story? I have the second one from PS+ and can get the first cheap.
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Jul 9, 2018 12:45
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Not really, they kind of exist only for background fluff on the universe. And don't really do a great job of that even, given how far removed it is from the setting.
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Sakurazuka posted:Are the Xblaze VNs worth reading if you've no idea about the BlazBlue story? I have the second one from PS+ and can get the first cheap. I think I asked once and maybe Endorph said that they read the first one and liked it but still didn't bother with the second.
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Jul 9, 2018 13:44
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Meallan posted:You mean high school setting present day or military academy with real young people? Can't find anything about the game but the name and that trailer tease (I confess it did look like she was in a play) I think it's just norm HS setting
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Alder posted:I think it's just norm HS setting I-I-It can still be good right? I wonder if they couldn't use the normal setting at all since it's a popular manga? That author in the original rose setting would have been something i would pay 100 euros for lmao. Otome French revolution with yuri aspects. Now they better deliver.
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I started The Letter today. It seems neat. I'm actually surprised it actually has English voice acting, though I wish the general character designs were a little...slicker I guess.
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I'm favorable inclined towards any VN that actually visualises the route tree but unfortunately I found it to be completely ineffectual at creating any sort of lasting creepy atmosphere.
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Ytlaya posted:I can completely understand a teen/college-aged person preferring the more action-packed nature of Alternative (and being impacted by its drama more due to having less of a sense for anime tropes/cliches). I probably would have felt the same if I played it in college, instead of around the age of ~26/27. I think a big reason I liked Unlimited more is that a lot of its plot elements were just more interesting; I enjoyed the whole focus on the other characters growing up in a different culture where technology was different and people played cat's cradle and stuff. I really wish that the characters had been more interesting, though; I feel like Unlimited could have been truly great if its characters weren't as relatively cliche as they were. quote:I feel like player response to the Muv-Luv games and player response to Umineko are a good gauge for someone's general VN taste, since it seems like VN readers are more or less split into two subgroups - people who really love Muv-Luv Alternative (more than Unlimited) and really dislike Umineko, and people who still like Alternative a lot (but don't think it's the best thing ever and might prefer Unlimited) and think Umineko is easily the #1 or #2 VN. The latter is probably sufficient as a litmus test on its own (since the gap between people who dislike it and people who think it's literally the best VN is so huge), but opinions on the former usually coincide with it. OTOH the idea of sitting through some of those George and Shannon scenes again seems like a bit much for me. quote:edit: One particularly weird thing about the people who recommend skipping Extra/Unlimited is that I think one of the cooler things the VN does is include a bunch of random references to the events of Alternative/Unlimited in Extra. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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Jul 10, 2018 09:06
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thark posted:I'm favorable inclined towards any VN that actually visualises the route tree but unfortunately I found it to be completely ineffectual at creating any sort of lasting creepy atmosphere. Yeah, it kinda flopped as a horror to me, but I enjoyed the characters enough to get a lot out of it.
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I loved Umineko and was honestly just burnt out at the end of Muv Luv. It's a monster of a VN and honestly, I think it tried way too hard to be shocking. As a comparison, I've seen the Higurashi anime long before I read the 1st chapter and the 1st chapter is WAY more memorable than the things Muv Luv tries. 
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Irritated Goat posted:I loved Umineko and was honestly just burnt out at the end of Muv Luv. It's a monster of a VN and honestly, I think it tried way too hard to be shocking. I’m pretty much the opposite of this. I found Umineko boring and grating and hated the characters so I stopped after chapter 3. I know i’m in the minority on not liking Umineko but I guess i’m just not into the whole mystery genre thing so much
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What the gently caress, Umineko Tea Party ??? Ep 1 is....weird. Also I managed to spoil Umineko for myself looking for a screenshot to send to a friend, I searched google for "[character name] umineko" and the autocomplete was "[character name] umineko culprit". Thanks, Google. God drat it. Is there another When They Cry? Umineko says it's 3.... e: if that implies what I think it was implying then some of my guesses were way close Rockman Reserve fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Jul 11, 2018 00:15
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food court bailiff posted:Also I managed to spoil Umineko for myself looking for a screenshot to send to a friend, I searched google for "[character name] umineko" and the autocomplete was "[character name] umineko culprit". Thanks, Google. God drat it. Don't worry. Even if what you saw is an actual spoiler, Umineko contains so many mysteries that it's guaranteed not to be the whole truth.
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food court bailiff posted:What the gently caress, Umineko Tea Party ??? Ep 1 is....weird. I think you get that when you search any Umineko character name. Higurashi is When They Cry 1 and 2, Umineko is 3 and 4. He's talked about making a third one but I don't think we've seen any evidence that he's started.
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Yeah a lot of people had pet culprit theories that turned out to be wrong. Some of them persist to this day!
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The culprit is the Golden Witch Beatrice obv. Those crimes could have only been committed with magic.
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I installed the ps3 sprite/voice patch for Umineko, and now I have to listen to Eva talk. Why would you do this to me? E: OK, she's not being obnoxiously snide with every single line anymore, so that's slightly better. Sacrificial Toast fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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NRVNQSR posted:I think you get that when you search any Umineko character name. There were sprites. RIP me.  quote:Higurashi is When They Cry 1 and 2, Umineko is 3 and 4. He's talked about making a third one but I don't think we've seen any evidence that he's started.
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Jul 11, 2018 03:49
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sure you might know whodunit but what about whydunnit? don't forget the heart...
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Yeah don't worry about it too much, it's a "mystery" in the sense of there are mystery trappings but it tends to other genres more later & you're not going to have actually spoiled the whole thing unless you started reading detailed character summaries or something (& even then I still think it would be well worth the read)
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Jul 11, 2018 03:56
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Part of the reason I'm so interested to get into Umineko is because I barely know anything about it.
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I really wish MG would put Umineko on GoG because frankly I like the cloud saving in GOG Galaxy way better than on Steam. Is there a way to buy a soundtrack for Umineko? I'm afraid to google this stuff now, and when I tried to Shazam one of the tracks in-game it weirdly returned something entirely different. Semi-related, does the Umineko fighting game spoil anything? In other random news I've started that NIS IOS VN that was mentioned in here a while back, Urban Legend Somethingorother: Blindman. The translation is really atrocious in places but I'm loving the art and overall presentation so far other than that. Not really expecting anything mindblowing out of it but for a VN to have in my pocket at the bank or whatever it's interesting enough.
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The Umineko music rights belong to the composers of most of the tracks, iirc. Which, this is a great way to handle music rights for the creators involved but it makes selling OSTs way more difficult/basically impossible. There's no great spoiler-free way to listen to the music. This youtube account contains the whole soundtrack. The song names and video descriptions aren't spoilery, but the thumbnails contain the cover art for the various releases which can be vaguely spoilery (though not especially, tbh. depends on your spoiler tolerance). Absolutely never look at the comments, though. People be spoiling poo poo left and right there. Personally, I enjoyed experiencing the music for the first time through the game. This is probably something that most people don't care about, but for me, hearing the songs out of context isn't quite the same, and then hearing those songs for the second time in-game lessens the impact. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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food court bailiff posted:There were sprites. RIP me. Again, this doesn't actually mean anything.  food court bailiff posted:Semi-related, does the Umineko fighting game spoil anything? A whole bunch of stuff, yeah. Most of it would probably go over your head unless you knew what to look for, but I wouldn't recommend looking at any of it until you're done with Episode 8. dmboogie fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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food court bailiff posted:What the gently caress, Umineko Tea Party ??? Ep 1 is....weird. I think of the characters as the staff and actors in a movie. At that point, they’re discussing a previous shooting and various changes they could make to the performance.
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Double Punctuation posted:I think of the characters as the staff and actors in a movie. At that point, they’re discussing a previous shooting and various changes they could make to the performance. Yeah, I got that, I meant the second tea party - "????". It seems to pretty clearly reference (not really a spoiler, but it caught me off guard)Higurashi and validates one of my weirder theories about the overall structure. Also, during that tea party, the SYSTEM menu gives you execute/revive commands instead of characters/tips, and there's some fun text for it.
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Double Punctuation posted:I think of the characters as the staff and actors in a movie. At that point, they’re discussing a previous shooting and various changes they could make to the performance. I think that's more true of Higurashi. Keiichi is regularly referred to not be present because he's too busy learning the next script (and doesn't have a sprite). E: Well, more consistently true. I guess the Umineko Tea Parties are deliberately twisting on the format of the Higurashi All Cast Reviews. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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