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Boy I'm awfully glad we got a straight answer from Democratic leadership on whether or not you could be pro-life and still be a Democrat.
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Imagine if Lieberman were VP, he'd be out of the Senate. That would have been worth the price of entry.
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Concerned Citizen posted:is there any scenario where court packing doesn't quickly descend into constitutional crisis levels of absurdity? like in order to do it, first you'd have to abolish the legislative filibuster (since the court size is set by law, not just precedent). then you'd probably be declaring nuclear option to remove all rules that allow the minority to obstruct. after that, you are just confirming as many justices as you can - literally hundreds - as there is absolutely no reason to not do that. and as soon as the gop gets a senate majority/wh combo again, they then do the exact same thing back. i don't see how it's a desirable or realistic path. Pedantic point: court-packing requires a border majority in addition to the senate/wh. You gotta change the rules so it becomes unlikely that you'll lose the Senate again. Make DC a state. Hell, make it two or three states. Consider doing the same with PR. Pass a much more aggressive VRA, confident that your judges will back it up. Establish universal benefit programs that leave no doubt in recipients' minds that they are getting poo poo from the federal government. Increase union membership. Gerrymander the gently caress out of everything. The result is a farce rife with rotten boroughs, but the system we have now is also a farce rife with rotten boroughs.
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Theris posted:Is there any evidence that voters who would be inclined to vote for Manchin/Donnelly/etc but won't if they don't vote to confirm Trump's SC picks actually exist? guess
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Corky Romanovsky posted:This is kinda like basing policy on an anecdote. Yeah, acknowledge bad stuff can happen and take reasonable measures against bad stuff happening. He tried taking reasonable measures against bad stuff happening. The company didn't want to upgrade the plant because that was too expensive and didn't want to shut the plant down because then they'd lose money. Only after ten years of reports of leaks and contamination which were all ignored by the NRC, despite Vermont's delegation trying to get them to act, did the company finally admit that it was going to cost too much to clean up and start winding down the plant. Can these plants be operated safely? Yes, but the cost to do so is more than the industry wants to bear, so they aren't. Perhaps after the revolution that can change, but right now the options are letting them operate without oversight or imposing effective oversight at which point nobody wants to fund building a compliant plant.
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Jul 11, 2018 13:59
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The government has experience running nuclear reactors, many private-sector nuclear employees were trained by the government in the first place
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Joementum posted:He tried taking reasonable measures against bad stuff happening. The company didn't want to upgrade the plant because that was too expensive and didn't want to shut the plant down because then they'd lose money. Only after ten years of reports of leaks and contamination which were all ignored by the NRC, despite Vermont's delegation trying to get them to act, did the company finally admit that it was going to cost too much to clean up and start winding down the plant. I mean, other capitalist countries like France somehow manage to have nuclear power without serious problems, maybe it isn't capitalism but just that US nuclear regulation needs an overhaul?
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Jul 11, 2018 14:03
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regulatory capture is a thing. private nuclear plants are a ticking time bomb
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:nationalize it That would be an improvement on the current scheme.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:double succ "Many business groups agree" should be the official slogan of the democratic party.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Pedantic point: court-packing requires a border majority in addition to the senate/wh. well, you should make DC and PR a state because it's the democratic thing to do, and you should establish universal benefit programs because it's the morally right thing to do ... but you do also need to pack the courts because it's the only way to let those things happen in the first place I mean even if Congress was comprised entirely of demsocs and Bernie passes M4A, that poo poo is gonna be struck down with a 5-4 decision comprised entirely of "lol no u" over and over for a hundred pages
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instead of packing the court, maybe we clear the court and staff it according to our liking
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The SCOTUS problem is very simple: When Prez Bernie takes office he should just announce that the court has clearly overstepped its bounds and order the entire federal government to ignore any rulings coming from it until such a time that it's cleaned up its act, and then he should just dare any motherfucker to stop him.
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And if somebody tries to stop him you know who to guillotine.
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Just have a cow, man. https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1016773145209065473
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in a 5-4 decision.... doing politics has been outlawed!!!!!
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the overall problem with nuclear in the US is that the nuclear industry here ground to a halt fifty years ago so everywhere you go, it's just ancient decaying plants being run by rent-seeking utility companies seeking to extract maximum value from the plants in the time they have left, without worrying too much about maintenance since they're all beyond their original design lifetimes and license periods anyway. regulatory capture defanged the NRC and other oversight agencies decades ago, and no one cared enough to do anything about it because nuclear is an afterthought in this country the kicker is that coal plants often have significantly worse problems with toxic leaks, contamination, etc. but no one gives a poo poo about heavy metals in the groundwater or massive waste spills unless they also happen to be radioactive
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Jul 11, 2018 14:31
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Remember when Hillary Clinton said appointing Obama to the supreme court would be a great idea?
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history will be far kinder to the Obama admin than it deserves https://twitter.com/aaschapiro/status/1017029063628787712?s=21
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The Nastier Nate posted:Remember when Hillary Clinton said appointing Obama to the supreme court would be a great idea? I mean, it would be a great troll.
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Joementum posted:He tried taking reasonable measures against bad stuff happening. The company didn't want to upgrade the plant because that was too expensive and didn't want to shut the plant down because then they'd lose money. Only after ten years of reports of leaks and contamination which were all ignored by the NRC, despite Vermont's delegation trying to get them to act, did the company finally admit that it was going to cost too much to clean up and start winding down the plant. vermont yankee was fine and didn't need to close for safety reasons nationalizing it is still good though
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Barry Convex posted:history will be far kinder to the Obama admin than it deserves https://mobile.twitter.com/MJB_SF/status/1017039984056864768 I seem to remember this lady. but she also strikes as generic white lady in the hashtag resistance crowd so I'm not sure.
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Main Paineframe posted:the overall problem with nuclear in the US is that the nuclear industry here ground to a halt fifty years ago I would say that the NRC is ossified into only handling plants from the 60s instead of knowing how to do anything new rather than calling it defannged. The safety limits to public health risks from nuclear plants are so small that even when they get violated, it's hard to tell that any people were put at risk.
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Jul 11, 2018 15:23
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obama is an innocent angel who did nothing wrong the centrists continue to insist as he and his pals ride out holocaust 2 on cushy lobbying jobs
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Istvun posted:I would say that the NRC is ossified into only handling plants from the 60s instead of knowing how to do anything new rather than calling it defannged. The safety limits to public health risks from nuclear plants are so small that even when they get violated, it's hard to tell that any people were put at risk. unless you do something monumentally stupid like explicitly disable every single failsafe then set things up backwards
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Yinlock posted:unless you do something monumentally stupid like explicitly disable every single failsafe then set things up backwards Hey now! It was a test to see if they could use a passive system as a temporary backup. They could not.
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The only problem I see with nationalizing nuclear power is that if it gets exported, it'd run into the same problems as nationalized oil, referring to how certain countries use the threat of cutting it off in order to strongarm during trade disputes, and there could be controversies concerning corruption and political appointees within Venezuela's nationalized oil as this article details. I haven't done much research on how nuclear power would expand, so I don't have anything else to say, though. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2006/08/10/oils-dark-secret
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Even for governments nuclear is getting pretty non-competitive with solar given the latter's continual price collapse. Plus since the whole global warming thing is fairly time-dependent it sure is nice to be able to put up shitloads of solar panels almost immediately as opposed to waiting for your nuclear plant to pass inspection in like 2035. I'm not anti-nuclear or anything but the ultimate goon wet dream for whatever reason is to be able to click nuclear plants down on the map like in SimCity 2000, which won't happen for generations even if everything is nationalized. Also dems are trash
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Istvun posted:Hey now! It was a test to see if they could use a passive system as a temporary backup. i feel like there was better ways to test that than with an active plant
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Cerebral Bore posted:The SCOTUS problem is very simple: When Prez Bernie takes office he should just announce that the court has clearly overstepped its bounds and order the entire federal government to ignore any rulings coming from it until such a time that it's cleaned up its act, and then he should just dare any motherfucker to stop him. "The court has made its decision, now let them enforce it" but for non-genocidal reasons
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galenanorth posted:The only problem I see with nationalizing nuclear power is that if it gets exported, it'd run into the same problems as nationalized oil, referring to how certain countries use the threat of cutting it off in order to strongarm during trade disputes, and there could be controversies concerning corruption and political appointees within Venezuela's nationalized oil as this article details. I haven't done much research on how nuclear power would expand, so I don't have anything else to say, though. What, the electricity? that's not something we export much of, because only Canada and Mexico make sense to export it to. Exporting plants or fuel could be a thing I guess, but right now the US is a bit player on that front, so the rest of the world is pretty well equipped to use other sources.
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galenanorth posted:The only problem I see with nationalizing nuclear power is that if it gets exported, it'd run into the same problems as nationalized oil, referring to how certain countries use the threat of cutting it off in order to strongarm during trade disputes, and there could be controversies concerning corruption and political appointees within Venezuela's nationalized oil as this article details. I haven't done much research on how nuclear power would expand, so I don't have anything else to say, though. source u're quotes
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galenanorth posted:The only problem I see with nationalizing nuclear power is that if it gets exported, it'd run into the same problems as nationalized oil, referring to how certain countries use the threat of cutting it off in order to strongarm during trade disputes, and there could be controversies concerning corruption and political appointees within Venezuela's nationalized oil as this article details. I haven't done much research on how nuclear power would expand, so I don't have anything else to say, though. the economist lol
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Main Paineframe posted:the overall problem with nuclear in the US is that the nuclear industry here ground to a halt fifty years ago It's this I'm pro-nuclear but the nuclear plants we have currently in the USA are Fukushima-style pieces of poo poo that were built in the early part of the cold war and are in the tail end of their life cycle We should be phasing them out gracefully and building new ones using the exact same plans as the ones they're building like crazy in China and India so spare parts and expertise can be shared and we can benefit from economies of scale But that will never be politically feasible so gently caress it, go hog wild with solar and wind
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