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MadScientistWorking posted:It's really really really really obvious who it is now and not Zak. To make a long story the scathing criticism he got was you should consult and ask harassment victims before you jump into an issue because you can very well make their lives worst. The guy effectively just harassed one of Zak's victims and she's pissed right now. how about you just tell us who it is
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 15:11 |
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Serf posted:how about you just tell us who it is Playing "I've got a secret" is pretty much his only gimmick.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 15:30 |
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MadScientistWorking posted:No you can be complicit in harassment and be completely benign and well intentioned. The advice I received recently when dealing with this sort of clusterfuck is to center your actions around the victims because you are not the one usually going to deal with the fallout. "Should important information about the harm others are doing go unreported if reported if reporting will harm prior victims?" Is really hairy journalistic ethics territory that people can and will argue over until the death of the free press. It's made even messier in a case like this where a history of harassment campaigns stretches back years, covers an unknown number of victims, and where much of the supporting documentation is lost, private, or scattered across hundreds of forums and social media posts on dozens of websites. The article didn't mention record of what, if any, outreach was done between the guy who published the article and people who have publicly confirmed to be targeted by prior harassment campaigns. If there wasn't any or very little, then that was a definite mistake. Personally, I'd guess from the way he muddied the waters presenting Zak as a GGer (without carefully explaining how his his public persona condems it, but he privately buddies up with gators and reactionaries when it's convenient, and is also happy to use the same harassment strategies to his own benefit) that he didn't put the necessary legwork into outreach to victims or other potential targets, either. E- basically this is a lot of words to say the article did screw up, but this poo poo is also radioactive as gently caress and any professional editor would kill the whole thing before it was ever published Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Did anyone else see that MYFAROG is now inexplicably an option for "Fan Favorite Publisher of the Year" in the Ennies? Surely this is just a strange coincidence and not indicative deep political shifts being brought to the surface among vocal segments of the tabletop market.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 18:53 |
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Someone's looking to wipe the slate clean...
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:00 |
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FMguru posted:LOL it's MSW. EXTREMELY SHAGGY VOICE: it wasnt me
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:00 |
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White Wolf posted:We at White Wolf know you have some very pressing questions for us, and we're here to answer them. We would like to invite you to join us for an "Ask Us Anything" livestream later this week, at 8:00am Pacific Time (1700 CEST) on July 13, where Jason Carl, Producer of Vampire 5th Edition, will be present to take your questions and provide open, straightforward answers. We will address all of your questions, comments, and criticisms for an hour, and we ask that you come to us with absolutely any of the topics that have been raised during recent discussions (or any other time). It is important to us that your concerns are met with honesty and transparency. Please join us at https://www.twitch.tv/whitewolfentertainment for stream.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:07 |
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A discussion with harassing alt-right assholes in a forum that contains my personal info and that of my loved ones? Right after they've chased the last guy off the internet? Yes, please! E: oops, I thought it was on FB.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:09 |
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moths posted:A discussion with harassing alt-right assholes in a forum that contains my personal info and that of my loved ones? Right after they've chased the last guy off the internet? I can see it now... https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/17/a-howl-for-our-bloody-writer-artists/ posted:Regarding the recent accusations made against our company: White Wolf was aware of and investigated the previous accusations against us before starting work on the V5 line. Fortunately, these accusations all pertained to alleged online behavior: each accusation is connected to an online discussion, and the digital records of these discussions can be located and reviewed. White Wolf’s investigation concluded that the accusations are false, and that we did not engage in the alleged behavior. We have full faith in ourselves and are excited to see the great work with the World of Darkness spread!
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:09 |
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That's going to be cringe-y. Maybe something would happen, though? That would be nice.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:10 |
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moths posted:A discussion with harassing alt-right assholes in a forum that contains my personal info and that of my loved ones? Right after they've chased the last guy off the internet? Nah, it's on Twitch so it's at least slightly safer. But idk what the cooloff period for new accounts on Twitch are in case a throwaway is necessary.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:12 |
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EverettLO posted:Did anyone else see that MYFAROG is now inexplicably an option for "Fan Favorite Publisher of the Year" in the Ennies? Surely this is just a strange coincidence and not indicative deep political shifts being brought to the surface among vocal segments of the tabletop market. I had a friend who likes this poo poo, and he recently let us know he thinks the Holocaust numbers were exaggerated. gently caress the alt right.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:17 |
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If AGDQ is any indication, a public unmoderated twitch chat is going to be an absolute shitshow.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:18 |
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Kurieg posted:If AGDQ is any indication, a public unmoderated twitch chat is going to be an absolute shitshow. AGDQs chat is subscriber only. Think about that. THat's how dogshit that chat is -and- you have to pay to participate.
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Kurieg posted:If AGDQ is any indication, a public unmoderated twitch chat is going to be an absolute shitshow. SGDQ 2018 was Subs only and it was still a bit of a mess Sion posted:AGDQs chat is subscriber only. Subs only chat was a recent thing. I wanna say no earlier than SGDQ 2017 or something.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:20 |
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EverettLO posted:Did anyone else see that MYFAROG is now inexplicably an option for "Fan Favorite Publisher of the Year" in the Ennies? Surely this is just a strange coincidence and not indicative deep political shifts being brought to the surface among vocal segments of the tabletop market. Welp, looks like the "vote for your fan favorites" page is just plain down, now.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:29 |
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Ok so far NüWW has given us: 1) Gay nightclub victim stats in the preview rebuttable on the anniversary week of the Pulse shooting 2) 1,4,8,8 3) (((globalists))) 4) Pedophilia 5) "triggered" Bruja 6) Zak's NPC mocking a real trans person 7) Zak 8) Blood and V5 looks totally awesome guys!
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:29 |
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moths posted:Ok so far NüWW has given us: Don't forget "Let them in or Build The Wall!"
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:30 |
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Oh yeah! And wasnt there also a terrorist posing as refugee? A MUSLIM KID
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:34 |
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The playtest sample setting in Berlin had rules for buffs you got after feeding on different targets. The list included various drug addicts, including at least one who was a escaped ISIS child soldier refugee. I think a few other targets were child refugees too but I can't check until later.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:40 |
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is there something we can do about this or do we just watch our hobby get dragged kicking and screaming in the Edgy 90s
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:52 |
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Accept that all social activities reflect the surrounding culture and try and help fix that, rather than trying to treat symptoms, like neo-nazi dice in the vampire-themed sample rpg adventure?
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 19:59 |
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paradoxGentleman posted:is there something we can do about this or do we just watch our hobby get dragged kicking and screaming in the Edgy 90s Boycott WW and Paradox, and make it clear to others that you think nuWW are poo poo. Paradox have already openly stated they don't give a poo poo that WW is being run by these people.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:01 |
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Point it out to people who don't know. A lot of TTRPG players are not on board with this kind of thing but may not be aware of it. Most players do not follow this stuff as closely as folks here do.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:01 |
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Support small creators so that the industry's big names don't have to be the handful of actual corporations in the game. Subscribe to creator Patreons. Express a willingness to pay more for games than the current unprofitable prices, and mock anybody who calls $25 too much for a PDF.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:05 |
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moths posted:Ok so far NüWW has given us: I knew about the others, but these two I wasn't aware of. Sorry if I'm being a dummy, but what happened with these?
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:30 |
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In the case of the latter, that's how Swedish Dracula signed a public message related to VtM stuff back in maybe 2016. Someone around here should have a screenshot?
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:34 |
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Disproportionate Orphan posted:I knew about the others, but these two I wasn't aware of. Sorry if I'm being a dummy, but what happened with these? For Blood and Souls, that was chief Storyteller Martin Ericsson's sign-off in an email to a customer explaining why he wasn't a nazi sympathiser. Source: https://twitter.com/cali_keftiu/status/1016213497145802752
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Flavivirus posted:For Blood and Souls, that was chief Storyteller Tobias' sign-off in an email to a customer explaining why he wasn't a nazi sympathiser. To be more-than-overly-fair to them, is it possible this was some obscure-rear end bullshit from some lovely Werewolf supplement book from 20 years ago no one ever bought, read, or used? I mean, it's WoD after all? E: I mean, *I* know what "blood and soil" means and he goddamn well should too, but maybe it's a reference? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Schadenboner posted:To be more-than-overly-fair to them, is it possible this was some obscure-rear end bullshit from some lovely Werewolf supplement book from 20 years ago no one ever bought, read, or used? Any one of these things by itself could just be dumb coincidence or whatever. All together? It paints a picture.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:40 |
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Schadenboner posted:E: I mean, *I* know what "blood and soil" means and he goddamn well should too, but maybe it's a reference? Supposedly it's a Moorcock reference. And that's just his go-to Signoff phrase, he uses it in most of his correspondence and when he's closing out podcasts too. but he should know better. Also: The dogwithdice webpage is back up and he names the people he can.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:52 |
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I don't see any names. All I see is that the page is taken down for his own safety (and a list of reasons) and he doesn't want anything to do with gamers anymore.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:56 |
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Disproportionate Orphan posted:I don't see any names. All I see is that the page is taken down for his own safety (and a list of reasons) and he doesn't want anything to do with gamers anymore. Second and third bullet point in the list of reasons have names in them now.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 20:58 |
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gourdcaptain posted:Second and third bullet point in the list of reasons have names in them now. Oh, sorry. It looked so similar to what it showed before that I glossed over them.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 21:02 |
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E: gently caress, sorry
Flavivirus fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 11, 2018 |
# ? Jul 11, 2018 21:04 |
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This update pretty much confirms everything Nuns with Guns posited, unfortunately.Nuns with Guns posted:"Should important information about the harm others are doing go unreported if reported if reporting will harm prior victims?" Is really hairy journalistic ethics territory that people can and will argue over until the death of the free press. It's made even messier in a case like this where a history of harassment campaigns stretches back years, covers an unknown number of victims, and where much of the supporting documentation is lost, private, or scattered across hundreds of forums and social media posts on dozens of websites.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 21:05 |
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This is a pretty bad post that you maybe shouldn't have made! All they did was point out that the article kickstarted another wave of harassment aimed at them because the dude didn't take the necessary steps to protect Zak's victims (which he didn't). I was with him until that bullet point, where he literally blames them for calling out his lack of attention paid to people who were put in danger by the post, which is a pretty loving lovely thing to do. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 11, 2018 |
# ? Jul 11, 2018 21:07 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:This is a pretty bad post that you maybe shouldn't have made! Yeah, you're right. I really should have thought a bit more before posting.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 21:13 |
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“Mr. Matthew Webb” That sounds like he’s conflating two different OPP people.
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Every time I get and think "Hams are literally the worst fandom" I come here and get but then remember I have to live in the world with them and I get all over again.
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