Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's incredible how many people act put upon when nobody has said you shouldn't vote for or support AOC.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's incredible how many people act put upon when nobody has said you shouldn't vote for or support AOC.

Thug Lessons posted:

I could care less who anyone "supports". It's a meaningless metric. Unless you live in a tiny congressional district in the Bronx your "support" is effectively limited to rhetoric, so I'm going to respond to your rhetoric.

Thug Lessons posted:

I could care less who anyone "supports". It's a meaningless metric. Unless you live in a tiny congressional district in the Bronx your "support" is effectively limited to rhetoric, so I'm going to respond to your rhetoric.

R. Guyovich posted:

R. Guyovich posted:

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I DON'T GIVE A HOT GAY gently caress WHAT CONGRESS SAYS! ILLEGALIZE PROFIT DUDE!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I DON'T GIVE A HOT GAY gently caress WHAT CONGRESS SAYS! ILLEGALIZE PROFIT DUDE!

R. Guyovich posted:

R. Guyovich posted:

R. Guyovich posted:

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/1016816405466009600

R. Guyovich posted:

Karl Barks posted:

they could start by removing Web Site from their organizations name. seems kind of redundant to me. my 2 cents.

R. Guyovich posted:

Infernot posted:

https://twitter.com/snakegirI/status/1017022275273535488?s=19

Infernot posted:

https://twitter.com/snakegirI/status/1017022275273535488?s=19

HorrificExistence posted:

supporting israel was a leftist cause, it was grouped in with anti-colonial stuff.

Infernot posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKyi2qNskJc

Still can't believe this happened lol

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Markets don't have to expand, because markets are just systems of exchange. Their purpose is to facilitate exchange and only ever have to be as small or as large as they need be to perform that function. When people say that the economy has grown or that the markets have grown, what they're really talking about is a growth in the value of private capital. It's private investments which have to grow, because otherwise an investment isn't worth the risk if it doesn't generate a profitable rate of return. The seeking of profits as essential to the process of capital accumulation, is what drives the commodity logic of production. Instead of producing things or services for their use value to be enjoyed, you produce them as commodities for their price value so you can acquire money, which has the ultimate utility since it can be exchanged for anything you need or want.

Social control of production is what will ultimately overthrow commodity logic, because it's private property which warps the incentives to produce. An individual, if they can accumulate enough capital, has no need to care about the negative consequences of the capital accumulation process. A society however will always bear the negative costs of production, which is why economies only have to grow or shrink in accordance to social planning and utility.

That doesn't mean you can immediately go from revolutionary overthrow to the overthrow of commodity logic, because you'll only ever be able to trade things for something that other parties will actually want - and so long as capitalist powers still remain in the world some of those things will be traded as commodities in exchange for money.

The question then becomes, how do you get around to the point where you abolish money? Any actually existing society will need to calculate the costs of all economic activity, and until we can accurately measure costs in terms of energy, materials, and labor, money works well enough as an abstraction of value to represent it. The existence of money in itself doesn't recreate the incentive to produce commodities, because the point of socialized production is inverted from privatized production. A capitalist economy wants to have as much money as possible to represent the growth of dead labor, but a socialist economy wants as little money to exist as possible. That's because capitalists want to maximize gains, while socialists seek to minimize costs.

ya homeboy posted:

What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emergesfrom capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

https://twitter.com/powr2ppl/status/1017136227781357568

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Juche in the United States: The Black Panther Party’s Relations with North Korea, 1969-1971 アメリカにおけるチュチェ（主体性）思想　ブラック・パンサー党と北朝鮮、1969-1971