Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CommonShore posted:

You dudes are all huge

I'm 6'0" so I dont think its THAT big.









(Sobs over being fat shamed for the 12th time this week by a Korean old lady).

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.
I'm approx 210 but 6ft. I didn't check in a while.

I feel like a weak man trapped in a strong man's body.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Yeah I'm 155 and I give up 50-100 lb regularly. I have one training parner who is close to 300 (at 6'8" - he was NFL scouted at one point). I'm at the point where giving up 20 isn't something I even notice anymore.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I'm 150 lbs and I try not to roll with huge people but when I do I spend 80% of the roll whining at them that they're going too hard

Its me, Im the josh barnett white belt that makes 150 ibs black belts pee themselves in terror.

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007

I'm the ideal male height and weight (5'9 and 180lbs). I give up weight often but am still considered among the 'big guys' at my gym somehow because people assume my lumpy body is muscular when really it is creatively molded fat

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

6'2" 250 here. I rolled this morning with someone that is 6'3"~6'4" 250. Most instructors will pair you up evenly to avoid injuries.

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

Im 140 to 150 and get beat up by linebackers

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master


5'8" 170. At my gym everyone rolls with everyone - the biggest guys we have are around 260, and the lightest we have is a woman who's maybe 120? Thankfully we have a pretty good gym culture, and there's really only one rear end in a top hat who has trouble tailoring his effort to his opponent. But typically regardless of size everyone will give you an honest roll - if I'm rolling with a big guy and am working an escape or sub they won't muscle out of it if I'm applying the technique properly, and while the big guys certainly do use their weight for stuff like pressure passing its rarely done in a dick way unless you were a dick first.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
I am def on the bigger side, 6 foot 230. Usually I do size match ups if they are within a color of my belt. Otherwise if they are way above me I go against tinier guys just to be shown how my size advantage can be negated by someone more skilled

There is this blue belt who is like 150 who destroys me every time. He also terrifies me. Dudes nicknamed "smiles" because he goes the entire roll with a slight smile and never changes expression no matter how much exertion he is using. Its like grappling with a PS1 era facial skin.

Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jul 11, 2018

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.
I'm 5'10" 180 and get confused by the ~160 dudes calling me a "big guy" until I roll with the ~200 guys my level and get reminded "oh yeah, 20 pounds is actually a pretty big handicap".

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Whats kind of cool is that I have a really high flexibility for my size which means most guys at my level don't even think of looking out for some of my stuff. I've gotten really good at tapping out dudes with a headscissors.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

Mel Mudkiper posted:

There is this blue belt who is like 150 who destroys me every time. He also terrifies me. Dudes nicknamed "smiles" because he goes the entire roll with a slight smile and never changes expression no matter how much exertion he is using. Its like grappling with a PS1 era facial skin.

If you get a nickname in your gym by your professor, it usually means he likes you.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

If you get a nickname in your gym by your professor, it usually means he likes you.

Yeah I have discovered the more he makes fun of you the more he likes you. I endeavor to be constantly given poo poo one day.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
6ft 2 155lb. I give up size or at least strength to everyone. On the occasion I get someone legit smaller/weaker than me it's amazing how many more techniques I can do.

I'm trying to get back to some kind of weight routine haven't lifted since college when my lifting buddy on the same schedule and diet turned into an Adonis and I... gained 8 pounds.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
6'2" 155? You're a loving twig, man.

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

Eat something

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Xguard86 posted:

6ft 2 155lb. I give up size or at least strength to everyone. On the occasion I get someone legit smaller/weaker than me it's amazing how many more techniques I can do.

I'm trying to get back to some kind of weight routine haven't lifted since college when my lifting buddy on the same schedule and diet turned into an Adonis and I... gained 8 pounds.

Guys like you are the bane of my existence in competition.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
It must be like wrestling a spider

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Yeah I have discovered the more he makes fun of you the more he likes you. I endeavor to be constantly given poo poo one day.

And you will!

Any of you guys been given a nickname?? I've been nicknamed "The Cobbler" because I like to attack legs given the chance.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I got destroyed by a 5 foot tall female blue belt who weighs maybe 90 pounds at best last week. I'm a guy, 6 feet tall, 175lbs. I got arm-barred like 9 times in 8 minutes and felt completely helpless the whole time.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

L0cke17 posted:

I got destroyed by a 5 foot tall female blue belt who weighs maybe 90 pounds at best last week. I'm a guy, 6 feet tall, 175lbs. I got arm-barred like 9 times in 8 minutes and felt completely helpless the whole time.

While I'm rusty as poo poo now (I'm literally starting today after a year long hiatus), even when I was a pretty gamey blue belt that weighed around 190 and was in college wrestling shape I got utterly destroyed by a tiny female black belt. Got my guard passed in about a minute and spent a remaining ~15 minutes on my back trying to shrimp away and tapping.

I rolled with Mark Muoz once, I think he was literally moving at 1/4 speed while tapping me about every 30 seconds.

Rolling with good people is like trying to fight water. Another good analogy if you're a bigger guy against a smaller better opponent like trying to race formula 1 when you just got your driver's license. All that power and strength is just going to make you hit a wall harder.

Jerome Louis
Nov 5, 2002
p
College Slice
I've gained a lot of weight being off for 8 years so I'm 6'1 270 now (all muscle for sure, this big belly is just 1 big muscle ;) ) and an ex wrestler and I pretty much just tell smaller people if they're not comfortable rolling with me I completely understand. I'm the biggest guy at my gym and if I'm rolling with someone new to me I usually start sitting and let them take top to see how hard they want to go. If I sweep and get top I don't go full smash if they're a lot smaller/older. But if it's someone I know is good and likes to go hard I'll go full smash. I'm still getting back to where I was before I quit all those years ago, last thing I want to do is hurt anyone or hurt myself now that I'm older.

heeebrew
Sep 6, 2007

Weed smokin', joint tokin', fake Jew of the Weed thread

I've been training for about three years now, I have two bulging discs in my neck and just saw an orthopedist who recommended I get an injection of some sort to see if will help my nerve pain and perhaps consider artificial disc replacement or fusion surgery. He also told me to stop training. This was the third medical opinion I got on my neck in the past 4 months. First guy said no surgery recommended until I have insane levels of daily pain, that I can continue to train as I felt comfortable, second guy said let's do fusion ASAP and I should be able to resume training after the fusion operation. I've been seeing a chiropractor who has been providing traction to my neck and providing a lot of immediate relief.

However, I really haven't been able to train much these past months, just a leg lock class or drill session. There's been a few times I've felt good enough to do a few sparring rounds, however last Friday I went to a buddy's house and showed him a back take where you are the top turtle, you crossface with the inside blade of your arm while you reach to his far arm and secure your crossface then fall to your side, get your hooks in and finish the choke and I felt a small pop in my neck and instant pain and thought... "not again". I had pain that night and the next day and felt back to normal the day after.

I can't stop training. I love BJJ. I don't want to be hosed in ten years either. I know a ton of people have dealt with disc issues and still train or even have had disk replacement/fusion surgery and are good to go. I'm curious if anyone here has dealt with a similar situation and what they did to keep training. Any suggestions of Los Angeles based doctors who train or deal with combat sports athletes and might be able to provide me insight into my crippled body?

Edit: Words of advice to those who haven't experienced back/neck issues yet... take strength training and yoga seriously.

heeebrew fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jul 12, 2018

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

heeebrew posted:

I've been training for about three years now, I have two bulging discs in my neck and just saw an orthopedist who recommended I get an injection of some sort to see if will help my nerve pain and perhaps consider artificial disc replacement or fusion surgery. He also told me to stop training. This was the third medical opinion I got on my neck in the past 4 months. First guy said no surgery recommended until I have insane levels of daily pain, that I can continue to train as I felt comfortable, second guy said let's do fusion ASAP and I should be able to resume training after the fusion operation. I've been seeing a chiropractor who has been providing traction to my neck and providing a lot of immediate relief.

However, I really haven't been able to train much these past months, just a leg lock class or drill session. There's been a few times I've felt good enough to do a few sparring rounds, however last Friday I went to a buddy's house and showed him a back take where you are the top turtle, you crossface with the inside blade of your arm while you reach to his far arm and secure your crossface then fall to your side, get your hooks in and finish the choke and I felt a small pop in my neck and instant pain and thought... "not again". I had pain that night and the next day and felt back to normal the day after.

I can't stop training. I love BJJ. I don't want to be hosed in ten years either. I know a ton of people have dealt with disc issues and still train or even have had disk replacement/fusion surgery and are good to go. I'm curious if anyone here has dealt with a similar situation and what they did to keep training. Any suggestions of Los Angeles based doctors who train or deal with combat sports athletes and might be able to provide me insight into my crippled body?

Edit: Words of advice to those who haven't experienced back/neck issues yet... take strength training and yoga seriously.
I've suffered 2 severe neck injuries (no surgery but one robbed me of use of my tricep and another robbed me of use of my bicep until they healed after a long time) and 1 severe lower back injury that left me with a limp foot and required surgery. I have a ton of experience with spinal injuries. I also have a friend who had a neck fusion and still trains and another one who got an artificial disk put in his neck and quit as a result. I am going to write up a long response to your question but it's going to take some time to do it.

heeebrew
Sep 6, 2007

Weed smokin', joint tokin', fake Jew of the Weed thread

Yuns posted:

I've suffered 2 severe neck injuries (no surgery but one robbed me of use of my tricep and another robbed me of use of my bicep until they healed after a long time) and 1 severe lower back injury that left me with a limp foot and required surgery. I have a ton of experience with spinal injuries. I also have a friend who had a neck fusion and still trains and another one who got an artificial disk put in his neck and quit as a result. I am going to write up a long response to your question but it's going to take some time to do it.

I really appreciate that. Thanks in advance.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Yuns posted:

I've suffered 2 severe neck injuries (no surgery but one robbed me of use of my tricep and another robbed me of use of my bicep until they healed after a long time) and 1 severe lower back injury that left me with a limp foot and required surgery. I have a ton of experience with spinal injuries. I also have a friend who had a neck fusion and still trains and another one who got an artificial disk put in his neck and quit as a result. I am going to write up a long response to your question but it's going to take some time to do it.

sounds helpful, I've got a pinched nerve on both sides of my neck and an impingement on my sciatic nerve on one side. Massage, Physiotherapy and Osteotherapy has only brought the discomfort down to a certain level and I'm wondering if surgery would be better than just living with it forever.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

starkebn posted:

sounds helpful, I've got a pinched nerve on both sides of my neck and an impingement on my sciatic nerve on one side. Massage, Physiotherapy and Osteotherapy has only brought the discomfort down to a certain level and I'm wondering if surgery would be better than just living with it forever.

Looking at the literature quickly I'm seeing a lot of evidence that spinal surgery isn't a great long term option unless you absolutely need it, I can't find any study that actually finds a statistical significant difference in outcomes over 10+ years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26363250

https://pettibonsystem.com/sites/default/files/document_attachment/10-yr%20follow%20up%20of%20nonsurgical%20vs%20surgical%20LBP%20tx.pdf

Some of medicine is still not all that evidence based. For example, I think there's a mountain of evidence that heart stints, while performing a function that we logically think would improve someone's health, almost never actually lead to better outcomes. I could be wrong about this one point in particular because I'm nowhere near a doctor nor am I familiar with the data on heart stints, but I'm using that as a point in case for one of the many medical interventions that make perfect sense despite there being little to no evidence that the interventions actually improved outcomes.

Same reason we don't battlefield CPR anymore. We just don't. All the evidence shows it doesn't work well enough (or, almost at all) to be worth the potential delay in getting the person to a proper MTF. Emergency medicine has had the advantage of the military being able to run what are effectively natural experiments as well as really good record keeping and has done a ton to get rid of practices that don't actually improve outcomes.

Medicine as a scientific discipline rather than art is still not totally all the way there just yet. It took psychology about a century to really start moving away from it's roots in freudian pseudoscience and, while medicine I think has progressed faster than psych, it really only began it's push for evidence based practices a few decades ago.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
yeah, a few people in my family have had varying success with it, I guess poo poo spines run in the family. I don't want to do it on a 50/50 chance of improvement.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
There's a meeting room in my new office building with mats that people use for grappling twice a week :woop:

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Where the hell do you work

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Where the hell do you work

Tech

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Ha that's rad

I wish I could challenge my coworkers to thunderdome

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Mel Mudkiper posted:

Where the hell do you work

The first rule of Fight Club....

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Several of my coworkers have expressed interest in jiu jitsu, but they are all scared of getting hurt. Doesn't help that I've had bad luck with broken ribs and more recently broken throat so it looks like you get a crippling injury every other month to them.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
My wife was having problems a few years ago with back pain. She saw a specialist for everything - physical, arthritis, you name it. Each and every one diagnosed her as having their specialty as her problem and immediately pushed for heavily invasive surgeries or life altering medications.

We were really skeptical that a 24 year old otherwise healthy person could have severalbulging discs and degenerative arthritis.

She went to one last Ortho for a second opinion and thank goodness for him. Before escalating, he had her try simple PT for a month and referred her to a therapist because he thought it could be a small injury made worse by stress reaction and muscle imbalance.

About 90 days later she was fine and has been fine for over 5 years. I shudder to think what our lives would have been like if we had trusted the first 3 doctors we saw.

I used to look down on people screeching you shouldn't trust the medical system but holy. poo poo. what a nightmare.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
The wrestling room of your job reminds me of college. I was in a really poo poo town with incredibly low housing costs. Were talking two bedroom houses for five figures low. Anyways, I ended up renting a two story house for cheaper than an apartment. However, the house was too big for all my stuff. I ended up converting one of the bedrooms into a thunderdome and filled it with discarded couch cushions I found in alleys. My friends and I when we got bored would go and challenge each other to wrestling matches in the thunderdome

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Xguard86 posted:

My wife was having problems a few years ago with back pain. She saw a specialist for everything - physical, arthritis, you name it. Each and every one diagnosed her as having their specialty as her problem and immediately pushed for heavily invasive surgeries or life altering medications.

We were really skeptical that a 24 year old otherwise healthy person could have severalbulging discs and degenerative arthritis.

She went to one last Ortho for a second opinion and thank goodness for him. Before escalating, he had her try simple PT for a month and referred her to a therapist because he thought it could be a small injury made worse by stress reaction and muscle imbalance.

About 90 days later she was fine and has been fine for over 5 years. I shudder to think what our lives would have been like if we had trusted the first 3 doctors we saw.

I used to look down on people screeching you shouldn't trust the medical system but holy. poo poo. what a nightmare.

The value of surgery is complex.

In my area some surgeons have stopped doing certain procedures for people who don't have aggressive physiotherapy set up, because surgery without proper physio can be worse than no intervention. Similarly, physio without surgery can solve many problems. So lots of docs will go physio first.

But people like to make screeching noises at the medical system until they get what they want, even if it's not the best course of treatment for

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



L0cke17 posted:

Several of my coworkers have expressed interest in jiu jitsu, but they are all scared of getting hurt. Doesn't help that I've had bad luck with broken ribs and more recently broken throat so it looks like you get a crippling injury every other month to them.

This is such a stupid mentality. It's a contact sport, yes, but if you don't train like a spazz and are selective about who your roll with your risk of injury is relatively low.

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

Tap often. Although my coach will yell at me for unnecessary tapping, making sure you and your training partner are uninjured is always priority number 1

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

JaySB posted:

This is such a stupid mentality. It's a contact sport, yes, but if you don't train like a spazz and are selective about who your roll with your risk of injury is relatively low.

I think they are just afraid of being sore 24/7.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply