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Phi230 posted:This is what the dems do tho And that is also what you do, that is the joke
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And that is also what you do, that is the joke Actually that's what you do
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Ace of Baes posted:I wouldn't call what's currently going on a circular firing squad as the person who is shouting into the abyss isn't in the DSA so it's more like the circular meeting where the homeless guy wanders in and starts ranting about the government Eh fair enough.
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Larry Parrish posted:Yeah advocating revolution which everyone agrees means the abolishment of capital and not necessarily a literal revolution is 'gatekeeping' when it comes to socialism: a movement defined by the abolishment of capital Advocating an extreme position you know is very unlikely to happen while poopooing anything more moderate so that you ultimately have to do nothing is also A Thing.
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Jul 12, 2018 16:48
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can someone explain to me the hatred for elizabeth/matt bruenig i constantly see on twitter from dsa folks
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Postoyevsky posted:can someone explain to me the hatred for elizabeth/matt bruenig i constantly see on twitter from dsa folks She's catholic and is pro-life, people mad saying she is not real socialist etc...
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Postoyevsky posted:can someone explain to me the hatred for elizabeth/matt bruenig i constantly see on twitter from dsa folks its a can of worms, but elizabeth bruenig personally opposes abortion but supports it politically. for this she must be cast out
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Jul 12, 2018 17:08
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She's a devout Catholic who is against abortion on moral grounds but wants it to be fully available. Or more plainly: She's a leftist woman whose stance doesn't immediately peg itself to the hottest, wokest take.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:08
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Serf posted:its a can of worms, but elizabeth bruenig personally opposes abortion but supports it politically. for this she must be cast out oh. seems par for the course i ask because i saw someone mention that at the last YDSA convention or something everyone booed matt bruenig. is it an original sin kind of deal or what
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Jul 12, 2018 17:09
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like 90% of it is people mad at Matt who relish the opportunity to take out their anger on a woman who they perceive to be less threatening.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:10
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matt is a harmless policy wonk idk how people could ever be mad at him
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:like 90% of it is people mad at Matt who relish the opportunity to take out their anger on a woman who they perceive to be less threatening. drat it's true
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Jul 12, 2018 17:11
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i have no idea why you'd be mad at matt. he's just a nerd who write policy pieces
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that's what most of these controversies boil down to, men inventing new ways to be Acceptably Sexist toward women who deviate from their standards (Liz, Amber, etc)
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Jul 12, 2018 17:11
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like sure you can say it's an ideological dispute but the way it expressed itself is completely misogynistic. people photoshopped Liz's kid and poo poo. it's just bullying a woman.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:13
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Serf posted:i have no idea why you'd be mad at matt. he's just a nerd who write policy pieces “a majority of trump’s voters are women and people of color” is a brain breaking take for some people
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Jul 12, 2018 17:14
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:“a majority of trump’s voters are women and people of color” is a brain breaking take for some people wait what
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Jul 12, 2018 17:20
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That take is so out there that I don't think matt b. made it
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Jul 12, 2018 17:23
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Phi230 posted:wait what https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/women-and-people-of-color-make-up-the-majority-of-the-trump-coalition-e9bb20f65709
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Jul 12, 2018 17:25
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Phi230 posted:That take is so out there that I don't think matt b. made it its true
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Jul 12, 2018 17:25
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Serf posted:https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/women-and-people-of-color-make-up-the-majority-of-the-trump-coalition-e9bb20f65709 at troll academy, breunig and getfiscal are the headmasters
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Jul 12, 2018 17:27
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I don't know about Matt's math, but many liberals really Cannot Deal with the fact that Trump's electoral base wasn't white trash.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:31
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Phi230 posted:wait what Roughly 50% + small% > 50%
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Jul 12, 2018 17:34
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:that's what most of these controversies boil down to, men inventing new ways to be Acceptably Sexist toward women who deviate from their standards (Liz, Amber, etc)
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Jul 12, 2018 17:43
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achillesforever6 posted:Except in my chapter the people who hate Liz and Amber are women? Yeah this idea that it's cishet men who are sour on Liz Bruening and her rather public lovely takes on abortion and lgbt rights is honestly some weirdly pseudo woke nonsense.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:46
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Can confirm that the person angriest at Amber in my chapter is not a dude.
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Jul 12, 2018 18:14
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Agnosticnixie posted:Yeah this idea that it's cishet men who are sour on Liz Bruening and her rather public lovely takes on abortion and lgbt rights is honestly some weirdly pseudo woke nonsense.
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Jul 12, 2018 18:23
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I didn't know that the Bruenigs had bad takes on LGBT folks that's kind of crossing a line depending on what the takes actually are
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Jul 12, 2018 18:27
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how could ebrug get a job at wapo without at least a few bad fakes cmon
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Jul 12, 2018 18:33
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She rolled the multicolored die to see what her bad takes would have to be about, and it came up pink.
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Jul 12, 2018 18:36
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let's kick liz out of dsa again
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Jul 12, 2018 18:37
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IIRC it was some tradcath garbage where she wrote a fairly glowing piece about self-imposed celibacy as catholic conversion therapy without fully naming it thus. Let's say she's a quirky social democrat but I'm not sure her quirks are necessarily for the best if she writes at length in support of them in right wing publications like the Atlantic despite insisting they're personal views and that she wouldn't break the socdem party line.
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what you're talking about is a book review she did years ago, she was talking about the book, not her actual views, also who cares, she's not in the dsa
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Jul 12, 2018 18:45
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liz b who is not even a democrat
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Jul 12, 2018 18:47
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ace of baes has convinced me to not join the DSA
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Jul 12, 2018 18:48
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like if people like him are at all representative gently caress that
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Jizz Festival posted:like if people like him are at all representative gently caress that one guy in the dsa thread of an irreverent politics subforum of a dying comedy forum is representative of the DSA, yes
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