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mllaneza posted:And amazingly enough the recent Punisher series (including his bits in S2 of Daredevil) are really good and contain actual nuance. S1 ends with Frank going to a support group for veterans with PTSD. Highly recommended, it's probably the best of the Marvel/Netflix series so far.
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Jason Aaron's run on Punisher Max is still a little better IMHO but only because of the ending.
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NorgLyle posted:Jason Aaron's run on Punisher Max is still a little better IMHO but only because of the ending. Hey, this is wildly off-topic, but I've been watching Boardwalk Empire recently, and is your avatar an animated version of Arnold Rothstein from that show? Because if so, that's a very specific reference and I like it. If not, you should know that it looks very much like a cartoon Arnold Rothstein from Boardwalk Empire. 
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oldpainless posted:I read a comic where...captain America...is a nazi. Lately Marvel comics has been throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall to see what sticks before they hand ideas over to their much more lucrative movie division and I'm really curious what they'd be workshopping with this.
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Cap was already a fascist in the Civil War movie.
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beats for junkies posted:Hey, this is wildly off-topic, but I've been watching Boardwalk Empire recently, and is your avatar an animated version of Arnold Rothstein from that show? Because if so, that's a very specific reference and I like it. If not, you should know that it looks very much like a cartoon Arnold Rothstein from Boardwalk Empire. I propose that it is, seeing as the text underneath is a modified Rothstein quote from that very show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL8-5pKG_E8&t=150s Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 20:33 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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beats for junkies posted:Hey, this is wildly off-topic, but I've been watching Boardwalk Empire recently, and is your avatar an animated version of Arnold Rothstein from that show? Because if so, that's a very specific reference and I like it. If not, you should know that it looks very much like a cartoon Arnold Rothstein from Boardwalk Empire.
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Cat Hatter posted:Lately Marvel comics has been throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall to see what sticks before they hand ideas over to their much more lucrative movie division and I'm really curious what they'd be workshopping with this. I’m firmly of the belief that Marvel Comics is now the testing ground for stuff they can get away with in the MCU. In the comics they’ve replaced most of the Avengers (Captain America, Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor) and I wouldn’t be surprised at all of it was to have an actual basis for when they replace Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, et al.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:42
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Literally all of those guys are back now.
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Android Apocalypse posted:I’m firmly of the belief that Marvel Comics is now the testing ground for stuff they can get away with in the MCU. In the comics they’ve replaced most of the Avengers (Captain America, Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor) and I wouldn’t be surprised at all of it was to have an actual basis for when they replace Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, et al. There are no more stand alone Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America movies so...yeah, they are replacing all of them. If they stick to trilogies there are what? 2 more Spidermen and Black Panthers, and 1 more Ant-Man? Maybe? When that's done Disney reboots the X-Men and then in 2035 starts over with a new Iron Man, by which time an ancient Robert Downey Jr will do the Stan Lee trick of cameoing in every movie.
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NorgLyle posted:It absolutely is. Rothstein was my favorite character on that show by tiny margin, barely beating out Meyer Lansky who was also spectacular, and the malfunctioning prohibition robot portrayed by Michael Shannon (trying not to spoil too much). Boardwalk Empire had so many good characters and potential but just fell flat. I can think of like 10 different people in that show that were incredible but I don’t have fond memories of the actual show somehow. I don’t know of any other series I feel this way about.
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Krispy Wafer posted:If they stick to trilogies there are what? 2 more Spidermen and Black Panthers, and 1 more Ant-Man? Maybe? Plus a couple more Doctors Strange. If Captain Marvel does well, which it probably will, we'll be getting a couple more of those I bet. Let's be honest, the problem probably isn't going to be them running out of superheroes.
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Harton posted:Boardwalk Empire had so many good characters and potential but just fell flat. I can think of like 10 different people in that show that were incredible but I don’t have fond memories of the actual show somehow. I don’t know of any other series I feel this way about.
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I'd be on board for 2 more Hulk movies myself, but I'm probably in the minority. I'd like to know what happened to Blonsky and that Leader dude. I liked Incredible Hulk a lot and think it's underrated.
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I'd be on board for 2 more Hulk movies myself, but I'm probably in the minority. I'd like to know what happened to Blonsky and that Leader dude. I liked Incredible Hulk a lot and think it's underrated.Harton posted:Boardwalk Empire had so many good characters and potential but just fell flat. I can think of like 10 different people in that show that were incredible but I don’t have fond memories of the actual show somehow. I don’t know of any other series I feel this way about. Nah, it was really good. Maybe a little on the slow side compared to other HBO stuff like The Wire or Sopranos but I always thought it got a bad rap.
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Cap being a Nazi is oddly prescient in light of...things.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd be on board for 2 more Hulk movies myself, but I'm probably in the minority. I'd like to know what happened to Blonsky and that Leader dude. I liked Incredible Hulk a lot and think it's underrated. It just ended on such a lame, anti-climatic note. Jimmy Darmody's son, who hasn't been around the entire last season, does in Nucky? I thought they did alright tying up most character loose ends (whoever was still present in that last season) but I didn't think that spoiled bit even needed to happen. Nurse Jackie does the same thing. It's like the curse of premium cable shows. And I would like more Hulk movies. And my old co-worker friend who was the walking comic-encyclopedia is still dreaming of a Thing/Hulk showdown onscreen. Hopefully he gets his wish now.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd be on board for 2 more Hulk movies myself, but I'm probably in the minority. I'd like to know what happened to Blonsky and that Leader dude. I liked Incredible Hulk a lot and think it's underrated. Nothing is “on the slow side” compared to the Wire. The only show I’ve seen that comes close is Rectify. Side note: everyone should watch Rectify
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Hulk's actually not gonna get his own movies for the forseeable future because of rights snarl; Universal has the rights to using the Hulk's name for movies, and they don't wanna make any more (either in full or in the MCU, I dunno), so while he gets to be in other movies he won't be getting a standalone. The only way you'd get more Hulk movies is in the vein of Thor Ragnarok, where they have a Hulk story (in that case an adaptation of Planet Hulk) in somebody else's movie.
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Universal has the distribution rights, but Disney has the production rights. So Disney can make one, while Universal can't, but Universal would have to be allowed to distribute it (and make a lot of money.)
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oldpainless posted:Why make a deal like thst? Sony had the rights to all of the Marvel characters in the early 2000s, and sold off the Avengers characters for like $25 million because they didn't see a future in making Avengers movies. Deals are made for all sorts of dumb reasons that either don't make any sense in hindsight, or only make sense when you apply the filter of Hollywood Accounting. Hollywood Accounting is how you manage to come up with the result that Return of the Jedi (production budget $32.5 million, worldwide box office $572 million) didn't make any money so you magically don't have to pay David Prowse any residuals. Memento has a new favorite as of 03:05 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Well it wasn't originally that way. Universal had Hulk production rights too. My guess would be that Marvel made some kind of deal to get Hulk rights back so he could be in their universe, under the condition Universal still got to distribute. The MCU started before the Disney purchase, after all. The first phase of the MCU was distributed by Paramount, except Hulk. Avengers was the first Disney distributed MCU movie. Memento posted:Sony had the rights to all of the Marvel characters in the early 2000s, and sold off the Avengers characters for like $25 million because they didn't see a future in making Avengers movies. Not quite. Sony was offered everything, but turned it down because they only wanted Spider-Man. At the time, they were absolutely right too. Iron Man was a huge gamble, he was a firm C lister when they made that movie. The reason Marvel had the characters they did at the start of the MCU was because they were considered of little value and Sony/Fox/Universal didn't want them. Except Hulk I guess, briefly. Aphrodite has a new favorite as of 03:13 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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So now Disney can make a new Fantastic Four movie since they bought out Fox's rights by buying Fox. Then they can write-in the Hulk into that movie, hopefully dedicating the last 30 minutes to an extended "put on the glasses" style fight between Thing and the Hulk.
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Kramdar posted:So now Disney can make a new Fantastic Four movie since they bought out Fox's rights by buying Fox. Then they can write-in the Hulk into that movie, hopefully dedicating the last 30 minutes to an extended "put on the glasses" style fight between Thing and the Hulk. Well, that's not finalized yet and there may be a lawsuit that holds it all up, but yeah.
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Aphrodite posted:Literally all of those guys are back now. Basically it was the Superman Red and Superman Blue all over again. Or Azrael, Reign of the Supermen, Teen Tony, Artemis, Frog Thor...
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Kramdar posted:So now Disney can make a new Fantastic Four movie since they bought out Fox's rights by buying Fox. Then they can write-in the Hulk into that movie, hopefully dedicating the last 30 minutes to an extended "put on the glasses" style fight between Thing and the Hulk. I'm convinced you can't actually make a good adaptation of the Fantastic Four, it's a cursed property.
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Kramdar posted:hopefully dedicating the last 30 minutes to an extended "put on the glasses" style fight between Thing and the Hulk. Only if they remake that scene move-for-move, including the crotch shots, but on a much larger scale. Hulk nearly hits The Thing with a bus but holds back at the last second because he doesn't really want to hurt him, smashing the building behind him instead.
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Don Gato posted:I'm convinced you can't actually make a good adaptation of the Fantastic Four, it's a cursed property. They already have, they're just called The Incredibles.
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Don Gato posted:I'm convinced you can't actually make a good adaptation of the Fantastic Four, it's a cursed property. They just need to make it campier. The casting was bad on the original two, but they kinda had the idea. But the villains made it too ominous.
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Don Gato posted:I'm convinced you can't actually make a good adaptation of the Fantastic Four, it's a cursed property. The reason all the Fantastic Four movies have been bad for a while is because Fox literally didn’t care if they were good or not. Their ownership of the FF movie rights would have lapsed unless they regularly used them to make movies.
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The Jessica Alba/Chris Evans ones couldn't have been that bad as they made 3 of them didn't they? You can't easily judge superhero movies from before the MCU era to current stuff. Except for a couple of Batman movies (out of 7) and 2 Supermans (out of 5) they all sucked. Spider-Man was the most consistently good series.
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I still think a good Fantastic Four movie would introduce a brand new cast and have them cross over into the Trask FF4 universe where the 2017 cast are zombie monsters and the villains. It is right out of the comics and would be hilarious.
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Kramdar posted:They just need to make it campier. The casting was bad on the original two, but they kinda had the idea. But the villains made it too ominous. The unreleased Roger Corman FF film (which was thrown together on a $1 million budget just so they could retain the rights, the cast had no idea the movie wasn't going to be released and even did a PR tour to talk it up) was campy as all hell and is therefore the 2nd best FF movie after The Incredibles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpmM-eTESI Subtle movie moment: the soundtrack from the Corman FF film was lifted wholesale from Battle Beyond the Stars, another Roger Corman film. James Horner did such a great job that Corman just kept reusing the soundtrack for a bunch of his other films. Horner went on to compose the soundtracks for Titanic, Aliens, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Avatar, The Rocketeer, The Land Before Time, etc etc etc etc https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000035/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr62
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Correction: Horner made one soundtrack that was repeated for every film he made since star trek 2. You can hear repeated musical cues all across his body of work and it's so blatant and annoying. It's sad because he does have some genuinely good music when he puts in the effort, like Mask of Zorro, but his "danger" and "sadness" musical stings suuuuuuuuuuck.
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Every Fantastic Four movie, pales in comparison to the 90s Fantastic Four Cartoon... and that's just.. sad.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The unreleased Roger Corman FF film (which was thrown together on a $1 million budget just so they could retain the rights, the cast had no idea the movie wasn't going to be released and even did a PR tour to talk it up) was campy as all hell and is therefore the 2nd best FF movie after The Incredibles. I was wondering if this was the one referenced in the newer Arrested Development (it's not) but while I was looking it up I found this lol quote:director Josh Trank appears as a process server who delivers Tobias a cease-and-desist order in "A New Start." Trank directed the 2015 Fantastic Four reboot which was a critical and commercial failure, similar to Tobias's version.
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