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shame on an IGA posted:When's the last time two heads of state went hands-on with each other? Akhito and QEII after a 'cultural exchange' of gin and sake.
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Must be, I can't find any evidence that Bandaranaike and Kennedy ever met
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EBB posted:Minutes 4-6: nested points of order and appeals and points of order on those appeals and oh my god how do they get anything done pee pee doo doo he is a bad chairman. But for real, he's bad at whatever special sparkle rules of order the house runs under. Because Congress is too good for Robert's Rules or anything else normal. It's me, I'm the weirdo that enjoys parliamentary procedure. My favorite part was:  : Answer the question. : I can't, it's an ongoing investigation.: I'll hold you in contempt.: Can I consult with my employer's lawyer?: No, you can only consult with your lawyer.: Well, my lawyer, behind me, just turned and asked the FBI's lawyer, also behind me, and concurs with their recommendation. : *fumes*
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https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/1017503889925558272
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AH WILL NOT STOP FUHCKIN' THIS CHICKEYUN AND AH WILL CON-TINUE TO FUHCK THIS CHICKEYUN
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Jul 13, 2018 03:25
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Peter Strzok loving rules. Guy is invincible
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From the OSHA thread. An excellent graphical summary of the Thai cave rescue operations. Synthbuttrange posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-13/thai-cave-rescue-tham-luang-extreme-challenges/9985286
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Brute Squad posted:From the OSHA thread. An excellent graphical summary of the Thai cave rescue operations. Elon Musk watched this and asked if they tried a catapult
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Deathy McDeath posted:Peter Strzok loving rules. Guy is invincible Dude is ice cold. The next democratic administration should appoint him to some high up DoJ position.
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Most cringey thing was when Karen Handel did the whole "You work for human resources right? Ha, that's ironic. Get it because had consensual sex with a colleague out of wedlock. IRONY RIGHT!?!! " bit.
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Brute Squad posted:From the OSHA thread. An excellent graphical summary of the Thai cave rescue operations. Yo read this. Very mobile-friendly and well done
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Brute Squad posted:From the OSHA thread. An excellent graphical summary of the Thai cave rescue operations. quote:“Mum and dad I love you … if I can get out please take me to eat crispy pork,” writes 15-year-old ‘Nic’, or Phiphat Photi. Kid's got his priorities straight.
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Jul 13, 2018 04:27
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Source is a wapo article. I'm not going to c/p the whole thing because it's pointless. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...46a7_story.html Kush only got a TS clearance. He has zero SCI access. He had SCI access when he was on his interim clearance, but he lost it when the white house gave him a permanent TS. He's probably still getting the president's daily briefing, because nothing matters.
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Jul 13, 2018 06:42
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Hate crime charges filed against man caught on video confronting woman over Puerto Rico shirt Hope I get to watch him cry in court, too
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Slim Pickens posted:Hate crime charges filed against man caught on video confronting woman over Puerto Rico shirt Good, what a loving dick. Also worth mentioning from that article is that the cop who stood back and watched it ended up resigning.
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Can somebody explain to me what's the point in abolishing ICE? As far as I understand, the functions would revert to the agency that was responsible for them before the creation of ICE. Likely with the same personnel, right? They can't just magic custom agents out of thin air. So what would change, except for the name? Am I missing something?
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Torrannor posted:Can somebody explain to me what's the point in abolishing ICE? As far as I understand, the functions would revert to the agency that was responsible for them before the creation of ICE. Likely with the same personnel, right? They can't just magic custom agents out of thin air. So what would change, except for the name? Am I missing something? It's a red herring for the easily led. Everything comes from the top, from Trump and Sessions. As long as Sessions is AG, things won't effectively change unless the legislative branch legislates. The question is, what is abolishing ICE trying to accomplish? I'm assuming mainly the end of forced separation of families and the attack on immigrants. Abolishing will have unintended consequences, take an excessive amount of time for the reorganization and may not even solve the problem. Is that really the best way to address the problems? lightpole fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 07:53
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Torrannor posted:Can somebody explain to me what's the point in abolishing ICE? As far as I understand, the functions would revert to the agency that was responsible for them before the creation of ICE. Likely with the same personnel, right? They can't just magic custom agents out of thin air. So what would change, except for the name? Am I missing something? It effectively cuts management positions and replaces people at the top, supposibly trickling down the chain as old guard ICE are picked off by the new boss. The chain of command getting shoved back into a different agency under different top oversight effectively guarantees that the top 20 possitions are decapitated. I guess that would be the mid goal effective outcome. Edit: Abolishing ICE is how you get rid of the high level appointees picked by Sessions and Trump. is a good thing, yes. KirbyKhan fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Jul 13, 2018 07:59
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KirbyKhan posted:It effectively cuts management positions and replaces people at the top, supposibly trickling down the chain as old guard ICE are picked off by the new boss. The chain of command getting shoved back into a different agency under different top oversight effectively guarantees that the top 20 possitions are decapitated. I guess that would be the mid goal effective outcome. But aren't the other management positions filled by Trump people as well? Or are those career civil servants that predate Trump? Edit: Wait, I'm dumb. I think I understand it now. It's a goal for when a Democrat is back in the White House 
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Engh. My understanding is the goal is to strip them of a lot of the duties that result in the majority of the gestapo like behavior. Basically redistribute the duties to pre-existing agencies and take away enough of their funding that they simply can't go after people who are aren't authorized to be here but haven't actually hurt anyone. Vox explainer on the issue, and with the caveat that "Abolish Ice" is a general rallying cry (like "Medicare for all") whose specifics can vary depending on the individual a fair bit. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/19/17116980/ice-abolish-immigration-arrest-deport
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Jul 13, 2018 08:37
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KirbyKhan posted:It effectively cuts management positions and replaces people at the top, supposibly trickling down the chain as old guard ICE are picked off by the new boss. The chain of command getting shoved back into a different agency under different top oversight effectively guarantees that the top 20 possitions are decapitated. I guess that would be the mid goal effective outcome. If you have the power to perform this reorganization, why not just curb the problem portions legislatively? This sounds like using a hammer for brain surgery and all relies on getting some sort of legislative buy-in.
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lightpole posted:If you have the power to perform this reorganization, why not just curb the problem portions legislatively? This sounds like using a hammer for brain surgery and all relies on getting some sort of legislative buy-in. Simple easy messaging, shifting the overton window on the issue, and short and effective rallying cry constituents can hammer their representatives with.
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lightpole posted:If you have the power to perform this reorganization, why not just curb the problem portions legislatively? This sounds like using a hammer for brain surgery and all relies on getting some sort of legislative buy-in. I would use a hammer for brain surgery if the patient was a Trump appointee who put children in cages.
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Jul 13, 2018 09:11
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Crakkerjakk posted:Simple easy messaging, shifting the overton window on the issue, and short and effective rallying cry constituents can hammer their representatives with. Why not just focus on something that has broad, bipartisan, popular support like keeping families together instead of pushing a divisive issue that's easily attacked and sends it to the extremes of the spectrum instead of keeping it in the middle?
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I also fear that the abolish ice message is just gonna get rid of the name but keep most of the people or that once that is done, people are gonna ignore the same poo poo happening under a different name. But I think the idea here, besides keeping families together and stopping a bad practice, is to be divisive. No compromise since compromise leads to other bad poo poo. And this isn't a battle that they can't win.
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God, imagine what a blasted wasteland the US was before ICE was established in *looks at wikipedia* 2003. Amazing that we survived the 200+ years before those brave boys took up the
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BadOptics posted:God, imagine what a blasted wasteland the US was before ICE was established in *looks at wikipedia* 2003. Amazing that we survived the 200+ years before those brave boys took up the
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Stultus Maximus posted:Akhito and QEII after a 'cultural exchange' of gin and sake. Talk about the time the sun set on the British Empire.
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lightpole posted:Why not just focus on something that has broad, bipartisan, popular support You know, trump is at like 80-90% approval with republicans, and the news about kids being separated from their parents has been known for at least a month. gently caress those people, hard. Why compromise with people who support evil, lovely policies
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How do you even compromise with people who think it’s ok to put children in cages? Bigger cages? Fewer children? gently caress them. Roll ICE back into CBP / INS, make sure the name stands as a warning to the folly of America after a terrorist attack and start the post-911 healing process for real.
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Jul 13, 2018 11:34
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:As a palate cleanser, someone wrote a fan fiction of Barack and Joe solving crimes while cruising in a trans am with sawed offs. quote:Obama and Biden have run-ins with a biker gang, drug dealers and a corrupt cop. They try to shake Obama’s humorless secret service agent, wear ridiculous disguises and bicker like siblings. Biden puts on his aviator sunglasses, a Hawaiian shirt and a baseball cap with a gaping, embroidered fish that says “Kiss My Bass,” and gives Obama a Phillies cap, insisting that because Obama is known to be a White Sox fan, no one will recognize him. Adding another book to my kindle next week
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Jul 13, 2018 12:29
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I saw the ad for this book at the beach. I told my wife I'm getting it, and there is a meet and greet with the author, along with a Q&A a week after we return home.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:You know, trump is at like 80-90% approval with republicans, and the news about kids being separated from their parents has been known for at least a month. gently caress those people, hard. Why compromise with people who support evil, lovely policies What portion of the voting electorate actually identifies as 'Republican' and not just a swing voter who didn't like Hillary? Because if it's close to half the Electorate, I guess you're hosed.
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FrozenVent posted:gently caress them. Roll ICE back into CBP / INS, make sure the name stands as a warning to the folly of America after a terrorist attack and start the post-911 healing process for real. We still haven't finished the post civil war process. Largely due to the same types of people. Could try converting it to a freedmans bureau type orginization. That would make a few heads spin.
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:What portion of the voting electorate actually identifies as 'Republican' and not just a swing voter who didn't like Hillary? Because if it's close to half the Electorate, I guess you're hosed. There are no "swing voters" and that's not why Trump won. Around 20% of the US population voted for Trump. Only half of the voting population even showed up for the election, iirc.
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:What portion of the voting electorate actually identifies as 'Republican' and not just a swing voter who didn't like Hillary? Because if it's close to half the Electorate, I guess you're hosed. 55.7% of eligible votes were cast. 26.8% of eligible voters voted for Hillary. 25.6% of eligible voters voted for Trump. 44.3% didn’t vote. According to NYT 5% of eligible voters swung from obama to trump “Eligible voters” doesn’t include a few million disenfranchised voters who lean democrat but can’t vote. So a quarter of the electorate is republicans. A quarter is democrat. And half are wild cards (and I always argue would mostly vote for social democrat policies if pursued)
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Well, if there’s one thing Trump can point to as a success, it’s that his administration has finally won one of our War(s) Against a Noun. Declaring War on Poverty ‘Largely Over,’ White House Urges Work Requirements for Aid. All that’s left are some mopping up operations, which entails welfare recipients mopping the floors at Trump properties.
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Jul 13, 2018 14:55
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The West End of London is now completely paralyzed by anti-Trump protestors. He won't see any of it because he's at Chequers (camp David, basically) Apparently journalists at his Q&A took the opportunity to point out factual inaccuracies he's made over the last two days, and not to ask pressing questions.
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Well Trump took a lot of questions and lied a lot and HEY WAIT A MINUTE https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1017772211699109888?s=19 Last time this happened, it was a nothingburger on some unrelated stuff buuuuuuut you never know! Edit: but the time before that was phrased this way and was the 13 Russians https://twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/964560710767468546?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:The West End of London is now completely paralyzed by anti-Trump protestors. I was just there, nipped to the pub because gently caress it it’s boiling. Tons of Americans there, dunno what your embassy was worried about.
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