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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Kavnaugh clerked for Kozinski ekeog posted:I saw someone (I think it was courtney milan here, actually) talking about how former Kozinski clerks like Kavanaugh working for Kennedy were the main screeners for future ones, since there was a regular pipeline from Koz to Kennedy. Turns out duder is also ein sexmonsterermöglicher.
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Subjunctive posted:Do SCOTUS justices have security clearance? Article III judges, Congress, and the President are exempt from security clearance requirements. They don’t have them, but also don’t need them. Very relevant in 2016, because Hillary could never again be granted one after the email thing, and LOL at Trump. I imagine Congress handles their rogues gallery of fools and criminals by limiting the juicy stuff to the appropriate committees. Wolf Pussy fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 13:05
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evilweasel posted:abstinence has a lower success rate in preventing pregnancy, as actually practiced, than other forms of birth control do, as actually practiced Do you have a link for this? Because this sounds hilarious and I'd like to share it around social media.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:48
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VikingofRock posted:Do you have a link for this? Because this sounds hilarious and I'd like to share it around social media. Evilweasel just means the "typical use" figures, i.e. claim abstinence all you want but at some point your lizard brain is going to take over and you're gonna end up fuckin' and hoo boy turns out since you were totally saving yourself one of you got preggers since neither of you were practicing any other form of protection. Compared to, say, tricyclic pills, which are like 99+% effective under perfect, never-miss-a-pill-alarm conditions, the usual rate is like 98% because even under imperfect use it's still very effective. Abstinence on the other hand is only effective under perfect use. Imperfect use is just rawdoggin'
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Jul 12, 2018 22:13
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They SHOULD be preaching the virtues of anal, since at least teenagers MIGHT actually take that advice.
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Jul 12, 2018 22:25
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Javid posted:They SHOULD be preaching the virtues of anal, since at least teenagers MIGHT actually take that advice. And you’d think they’d see the obvious personal benefit for themselves in teaching teens to gently caress assholes.
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Jul 12, 2018 22:29
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Javid posted:They SHOULD be preaching the virtues of anal, since at least teenagers MIGHT actually take that advice. you need a teenvogue gang tag for that sort of statement
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rscott posted:So are all his assets hiding in an offshore account or does he really have about as many reportable assets as my broke 30 year old rear end, JFC He's never worked as a private lawyer - since his entire career has been government work, he's had relatively modest pay for a lawyer. Which makes it that more questionable that he took out six digits of debt to buy "baseball tickets".
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Jul 12, 2018 22:37
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FAUXTON posted:Evilweasel just means the "typical use" figures, i.e. claim abstinence all you want but at some point your lizard brain is going to take over and you're gonna end up fuckin' and hoo boy turns out since you were totally saving yourself one of you got preggers since neither of you were practicing any other form of protection. Yeah, one of the first studies (staring in the 90's) found that ~300 "virginity pledgers" reported pretty much exactly the same amount of pre-marital sex over then next 5 years as non-pledgers (about 55%). And 82% denied ever taking the pledge. Basically, as a birth control method it's use-case failure is probably going to be something close to 70-80% of no birth control at all, assuming no back-up birth control is used when you absolutely must get down and dirty. And if you are using back-up birth control then it makes sense to teach people about those methods in sex ed. Hence the abysmal failure of abstinence-only education. E: Ooh, missed the best part: "pledgers" used birth control and protection significantly less often! Stickman fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 22:42
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Stickman posted:Hence the abysmal failure of abstinence-only education. Problem is, it's not a failure at all- preventing unwanted pregnancies simply wasn't the goal. 
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Jul 12, 2018 22:46
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The other key problem with the way things are framed in abstinence-based education is that they talk so much poo poo about contraception not working that when people do decide to have sex they're less likely to do so safely. It's setting people up for failure. It's such a loving stupid policy.
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Preaching to choir I'm sure, but the goal of abstinence only education is to control women's bodies, not stop pregnancies. The same old white men who push abstinence only are just fine with pregnancies, since those lead to more women being dependent on their man/"head of the household". A woman with kids and no education is a woman with no financial independence.
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I don't even understand the thought process behind abstinence only education. Like, even people who are saving it for marriage should be educated about birth control because no one can afford ten kids today anyway. Assuming for the sake of argument that all premarital sex is unspeakably evil and wrong shouldn't we still be teaching people how to control their reproductive processes so they don't inadvertently make too many babies once they're married and having "good" sex?
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Main Paineframe posted:He's never worked as a private lawyer - since his entire career has been government work, he's had relatively modest pay for a lawyer. Which makes it that more questionable that he took out six digits of debt to buy "baseball tickets". Yeah who's spending 20k+ a year on season tickets when they've got a million dollar mortgage and barely pull in 300k as a couple. Something weird is going on here for sure
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Lawdog69 posted:I don't even understand the thought process behind abstinence only education. Like, even people who are saving it for marriage should be educated about birth control because no one can afford ten kids today anyway. Assuming for the sake of argument that all premarital sex is unspeakably evil and wrong shouldn't we still be teaching people how to control their reproductive processes so they don't inadvertently make too many babies once they're married and having "good" sex? If you teach abstinence-only education, only the ones who fail go to hell. If you teach anything else, all parties involved, including you, go to hell (and, even worse, are ostracized from their church groups [read: entire social universe]) for breaking rank. I'm not being snarky, this is literally the reality most americans believe in and you have to accept that to not have a disingenuous picture of who you're dealing with.
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Nonexistence posted:If you teach abstinence-only education, only the ones who fail go to hell. If you teach anything else, all parties involved, including you, go to hell (and, even worse, are ostracized from their church groups [read: entire social universe]) for breaking rank. I'm not being snarky, this is literally the reality most americans believe in and you have to accept that to not have a disingenuous picture of who you're dealing with. Not "most Americans." A noteworthy bloc, sure.
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Lawdog69 posted:I don't even understand the thought process behind abstinence only education. Like, even people who are saving it for marriage should be educated about birth control because no one can afford ten kids today anyway. Assuming for the sake of argument that all premarital sex is unspeakably evil and wrong shouldn't we still be teaching people how to control their reproductive processes so they don't inadvertently make too many babies once they're married and having "good" sex? Religion is a cancer.
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Lawdog69 posted:I don't even understand the thought process behind abstinence only education. Like, even people who are saving it for marriage should be educated about birth control because no one can afford ten kids today anyway. Assuming for the sake of argument that all premarital sex is unspeakably evil and wrong shouldn't we still be teaching people how to control their reproductive processes so they don't inadvertently make too many babies once they're married and having "good" sex? The "justification" is generally along the lines of "teaching kids about safe sex (and that sex can be safe) just makes them have more sex", which is bullshit, of course. There's also a heavy dose of "premarital sex is a sin and thus bad in it's own right". It goes hand-in-hand with the relatively long history of using statutory rape and child pornography laws to criminalize sex between minors (especially homosexual sex).
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When i worked in the legislature even things like the Youth Risk Behavior Survey were loudly opposed by the abstinence crowd. The reasoning was that if you ask kids about whether they are doing dangerous things, you will give them the idea to do dangerous things. As we all know, teenagers do not get uncontrollably horny without the powerful stimulus of a pen and paper survey.
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rscott posted:Yeah who's spending 20k+ a year on season tickets when they've got a million dollar mortgage and barely pull in 300k as a couple. Something weird is going on here for sure https://twitter.com/nolo_contento/status/1017185534635053056
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Kazak_Hstan posted:When i worked in the legislature even things like the Youth Risk Behavior Survey were loudly opposed by the abstinence crowd. The reasoning was that if you ask kids about whether they are doing dangerous things, you will give them the idea to do dangerous things. They all know science has a "liberal bias". That's why they're trying so hard to gently caress our educational system in every imaginable way.
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Lawdog69 posted:I don't even understand the thought process behind abstinence only education. Like, even people who are saving it for marriage should be educated about birth control because no one can afford ten kids today anyway. Assuming for the sake of argument that all premarital sex is unspeakably evil and wrong shouldn't we still be teaching people how to control their reproductive processes so they don't inadvertently make too many babies once they're married and having "good" sex? Because the only "good" sex is the kind that makes babies. If you're having sex for pleasure (even in marriage) then it is dirty and sinful.
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I think it really depends on whether the late night hosts and SNL pick up on this for it to sink Kavanaugh. Unless something more serious or suspicious comes out, I feel like it won't be enough to sink his nomination with Flake/Collins/Murkowski - and I expect that McConnell would tell Trump to pull a Miers and withdraw the nomination in favor of Kethledge. That said, with how McConnell rather publicly was pushing for Kethledge, I think McConnell has already found something he doesn't like with Kavanaugh - either this, or his sex-pesty history. If it's weird and funny enough to penetrate the public consciousness enough, it could still hold up his nomination even if it's perfectly innocent.
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FAUXTON posted:Evilweasel just means the "typical use" figures, i.e. claim abstinence all you want but at some point your lizard brain is going to take over and you're gonna end up fuckin' and hoo boy turns out since you were totally saving yourself one of you got preggers since neither of you were practicing any other form of protection. Yeah, I get that. I was just hoping there was a study that compared typical use of abstinence to typical use of other methods of birth control, and which concluded that typical use abstinence was worse. E.g. it could be a study that asked people what method(s) of birth control they use and then tracked how many of those people conceived in the next year, and in which people who responded "abstinence" were more likely to conceive than those who answered "condoms", "the pill", etc. Such a study would IMO be very funny.
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The research isn't completely one-sided. There was a 2001 study that found that abstinence-only education kinda works in specific contexts:Promising the Future: Virginity Pledges and First Intercourse {American Journal of Sociology} posted:The pledge effect is not a selection effect. It is real and it is substantial. But it is not a panacea for all of our adolescents. It works best for younger adolescents. It works only in specific contexts. The limits of the pledge’s effectiveness provide insight into the mechanisms by which it operates. So abstinence-only significantly delays their first time having sex only if the abstinence pledgers can form a social identity around being holier-than-thou. But even this study says it can't work for everyone, since the abstinence pledge doesn't work if there aren't any non-pledgers to feel morally superior to. Even then, it only delays teen sex when it works, with an typical effect of a 6-18 month delay in their first sexual experience. I found this study through the Heritage Foundation's article on abstinance-only programs. This paper is actually the most recent one cited on their pro-abstinance-only page. Probably because it is really hard to find more recent studies that even kind of suggests that abstinance-only works. golden bubble fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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golden bubble posted:The research isn't completely one-sided. There was a 2001 study that found that abstinence-only education kinda works in specific contexts: Also because delaying sex isn't really worth the riskier sexual behavior once they get there: Pledge-breakers are at higher risk for non-marital pregnancy and HPV, likely because they are less consistent with condoms and birth control.
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So it only works inside the cult.
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Tibalt posted:I think it really depends on whether the late night hosts and SNL pick up on this for it to sink Kavanaugh. Unless something more serious or suspicious comes out, I feel like it won't be enough to sink his nomination with Flake/Collins/Murkowski - and I expect that McConnell would tell Trump to pull a Miers and withdraw the nomination in favor of Kethledge. That said, with how McConnell rather publicly was pushing for Kethledge, I think McConnell has already found something he doesn't like with Kavanaugh - either this, or his sex-pesty history. SNL won't have a chance to pick up the story unless democrats somehow manage to delay the confirmation a couple of months since they're on their summer break. Not sure what late-night hosts filming schedule is, are they still putting out new episodes or are they on summer break too?
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I'm glad the state of American democracy is now dependent on the filming schedules of television comedians.
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vyelkin posted:I'm glad the state of American democracy is now dependent on the filming schedules of television comedians. It's apparently been dependent on more ridiculous things as of late
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Javid posted:Religion is a cancer. People who scream the loudest about how much they love Jesus are, unironically, the people who act the least in accordance with his teachings. Tibalt posted:I think it really depends on whether the late night hosts and SNL pick up on this for it to sink Kavanaugh. Unless something more serious or suspicious comes out, I feel like it won't be enough to sink his nomination with Flake/Collins/Murkowski - and I expect that McConnell would tell Trump to pull a Miers and withdraw the nomination in favor of Kethledge. That said, with how McConnell rather publicly was pushing for Kethledge, I think McConnell has already found something he doesn't like with Kavanaugh - either this, or his sex-pesty history. The GOP isn't going to give the slightest gently caress about him being corrupt (in subjects that they approve of).
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FAUXTON posted:So it only works inside the cult. Which, to them, is the same thing as working
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Evil Fluffy posted:The GOP isn't going to give the slightest gently caress about him being corrupt (in subjects that they approve of). Combine a public perception of corruption and the kibuki theater around Barrett, and I could see a quiet revolt behind the scenes. Considering Kavanaugh appears to be Kennedy's chosen successor and wasn't on the original list, I'm sure some people are wondering if they're getting another Kennedy (or Souter) instead of the Alito they were promised.
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Tibalt posted:If the Koch Brothers paid off his debt, sure. If Vinny One-Ear paid it off? A corrupt judge can be persuaded to any sort of opinion, even liberal ones. There's a lot more money behind conservative causes than there is behind liberal causes. And for all your speculation about uncertainties and maybes, Kavanaugh's conservative credentials and legal history are well-known. After all, he's on the Heritage Foundation's official list of bona-fide conservative judges.
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i didn't think the tickets thing had legs but i heard some fun chud talk radio where the host went full tilt on the "duhh what's wrong with liking baseball and paying your debts on time??" angle, so im pretty convinced now this is real and insidious its also great and cool that the party that elected the proto Birther is now full of the most bright eyed oh gee gosh style naivety.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's a lot more money behind conservative causes than there is behind liberal causes. And for all your speculation about uncertainties and maybes, Kavanaugh's conservative credentials and legal history are well-known. After all, he's on the Heritage Foundation's official list of bona-fide conservative judges. Put yourself in Hatch's shoes - how confident do you feel that Kennedy's chosen successor isn't a moderate voice on gay rights and abortion, two of Kennedy's keystone issues? How confident that Trump's team are vouching for those bona fides? I mean, don't get me wrong, Kavanaugh is likely to get nominated. But if you had asked me last week, I would have said it was almost certain.
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Main Paineframe posted:He's never worked as a private lawyer - since his entire career has been government work, he's had relatively modest pay for a lawyer. Which makes it that more questionable that he took out six digits of debt to buy "baseball tickets". He was a partner at Kirkland Ellis. Big bucks for a while.
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torgeaux posted:He was a partner at Kirkland Ellis. Big bucks for a while. iirc at Kirkland anyone over a sixth year gets the title of partner but doesn’t actually get equity or job security until they bring in enough business
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evilweasel posted:iirc at Kirkland anyone over a sixth year gets the title of partner but doesn’t actually get equity or job security until they bring in enough business Not sure when they started doing that, but he was also only there for like 1.5 years total, split into two sections, so he almost certainly wasn't getting significant equity-based payouts.
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