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The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/


quote:

In Pew Research Center polling in 2001, Americans opposed same-sex marriage by a margin of 57% to 35%.

quote:

Among people who are religiously unaffiliated, a solid majority have supported same-sex marriage since 2001. Today, 85% of religious “nones” say same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

Two-thirds of Catholics now support same-sex marriage, as do a similar share of white mainline Protestants (68%).

Support for same-sex marriage among black Protestants and white evangelical Protestants remains lower than it is among other religious groups. However, the share of white evangelical Protestants who support same-sex marriage has grown from 27% in 2016 to 35% today.


guys we can't support things that are currently unpopular we gotta appeal to the chuds

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Look, let's just change the name of ICE back to INS and stop separating kids from parents when we lock them in cages? Will that work? Will you vote for me now?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Concerned Citizen posted:

voters are going to take "abolish ice" as "abolish all border control" and basically no amount of campaigning is going to make that idea a popular one

You might be able to get past this by reminding voters that ice was created less than 20 years ago and it's not the only border enforcement agency

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


spacetoaster posted:

Look, let's just change the name of ICE back to INS and stop separating kids from parents when we lock them in cages? Will that work? Will you vote for me now?

but the polls

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

The Muppets On PCP posted:

http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/




guys we can't support things that are currently unpopular we gotta appeal to the chuds

I wonder what the numbers would be for pre-existing condition coverage, I suppose it wasn't around long enough for people to really take it for granted and for a lot of people to experience what a life changing difference it could be.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Concerned Citizen posted:

only 25% of americans want to abolish ice so i think there's actually no political benefit at all to "campaigning hard on it."

HEY I WONDER HOW IT GOT TO 25% FROM 0

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Thoguh posted:

That's not what most people mean though. It's the boogyman that the GOP is throwing up and the handful of people in this thread who want to abolish borders are probably an appreciable percentage of the overall population that supports that idea.

only because the media and political establishments have decreed it to be an unacceptable idea, and so no one with a voice has the guts to make the very real case for abolishing our current border control laws

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


gradenko_2000 posted:

HEY I WONDER HOW IT GOT TO 25% FROM 0

it would own hard the Dems had media connections they could use to periodically drag the spotlight away from Trump and point out that a bunch of the kids getting reunited are underweight and covered in lice then blame it on ice

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Jeb! Repetition posted:

You might be able to get past this by reminding voters that ice was created less than 20 years ago and it's not the only border enforcement agency

it's not only not the only border enforcement agency, it's also not even a border enforcement agency

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

No you see the polls show we need to roll back on same sex marriage, surely that would differentiate us Democrats from the Republicans.

Now excuse me while my spouse buys half a million of dollars in stock in the armaments industry.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
17 whole seats! don't exhaust yourself there, DLCC

https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1017788591831855110

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

HiHo ChiRho posted:

No you see the polls show we need to roll back on same sex marriage, surely that would differentiate us Democrats from the Republicans.

Now excuse me while my spouse buys half a million of dollars in stock in the armaments industry.

listen if we support gay marriage people will think we want to allow people to gently caress dogs

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Guys I polled a majority of whites and they say they oppose the Civil Rights Act, better not do anything to indicate we support that

Instead we should support the Civil Opportunity Act which would decrease discrimination by a sustainable amount and would eliminate it entirely by 2050

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
access to civil rights

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


let's just improve access to civil rights

edit: goddamn it lol

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
we gave rights to some folks

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


if you like your civil rights you can keep them

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I once imitated cc itt saying "orphan death gets me rock hard."

Glad to see that it turned out I was only 15% away from the truth -- he has to see how "not letting children suffer" is polling first before he can crank his hogg.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Nikita Khrushchev posted:

if you like your civil rights you can keep them

lmao

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Agean90 posted:

You are once again mistaking the outcome of a focused pr campaign as a natural law and saying to do nothing about it.

The Centrist Special

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
good lord she's beyond parody at this point https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1017788671125278720

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


CC please reply to this with your thoughts/experiences from the campaign trail when you're off probation

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1017800441667596289

Venom Snake too

Nichael?

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

CC please reply to this with your thoughts/experiences from the campaign trail when you're off probation

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1017800441667596289

Venom Snake too

Nichael?

Look, you just don't GET how elections work.

Now give me your lovely homemade lawn signs, its trashing our focus group messaging and candidate branding.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Joementum posted:

17 whole seats! don't exhaust yourself there, DLCC

https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1017788591831855110

one of their targeted seats is in the NY State Senate

which already has a Dem majority, but is controlled by the GOP because of conservative Dems flipping and supporting the GOP instead

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1017783938616647682

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
kinda curious why all of a sudden dems are having such a hard time with digital campaigns when obama's was pretty decent

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

The Muppets On PCP posted:

kinda curious why all of a sudden dems are having such a hard time with digital campaigns when obama's was pretty decent

Bernie won't let them have his mailing list, so Dems are stuck with Hillary's

Guess the average age for Hillary Clinton's mailing list

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I think "Shockingly, even after what happened in 2016" could be prepended to basically any political headline involving D strategy

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

EugeneJ posted:

Bernie won't let them have his mailing list, so Dems are stuck with Hillary's

Guess the average age for Hillary Clinton's mailing list

69

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

The Muppets On PCP posted:

kinda curious why all of a sudden dems are having such a hard time with digital campaigns when obama's was pretty decent

afaik the obama campaign (and bernie campaign for that matter) operated outside of the dnc/dccc's infrastructure, and the last time that machine did anything of note was the wave election in 2006

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Phone posted:

access to civil rights

tax credits for districts that allow African Americans to vote

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

gradenko_2000 posted:

tax credits for districts that allow African Americans to vote

:popeye:

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

gradenko_2000 posted:

tax credits for districts that allow African Americans to vote

jfc

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


don't think of it as 'concentration camps for babies'

think of it as a...'future voter consolidation center'

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Twitter posts that are like 'uhhh I bet the Queen and Mr. Rosenstein colluded to make sure Mr. Trump was there as his son gets Indicted!'

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Concerned Citizen posted:

voters are going to take "abolish ice" as "abolish all border control" and basically no amount of campaigning is going to make that idea a popular one

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Given that abolishing ICE is a good thing, you would have to prove not just that it's unpopular, but that it's unpopular to the extent that it will make people not vote who would otherwise have voted.

You people always act like polls directly translate to voting (in the sense of "people will vote for a politician that supports something that they poll positively about, and vice versa"), but that isn't remotely logical. It's entirely possible for a majority to disapprove of an idea while it still having almost zero impact on actual voting, and it's also possible for the minority who approves to be influenced to vote while those who don't approve don't change their voting (resulting in a net increase despite lack of overall popularity, due to supporters having stronger feelings about the issue). Since we can't really know what would happen, you should default to supporting the thing that is morally right.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006



:smug:

https://twitter.com/MrGregTowns/status/1017794121656758272

#TheResistance

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
As I have stated often: concerned citizen is a dickhead lanyard who is wrong about every bit of analysis he has posted in this bitch of a timeline.

The inverse of his statements will always be the correct interpretation.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Feldegast42 posted:

Guys I polled a majority of whites and they say they oppose the Civil Rights Act, better not do anything to indicate we support that

Stuff like this is what proves that these center-left/centrist types don't actually care about these issues as much as they claim to. If you frame the same issue using a morally obvious political topic (like slavery or civil rights), the analogy to their words/actions is super obviously that of someone who doesn't actually care about the topic in question. If someone constantly made the same sort of contrarian arguments against abolitionists, it would be obvious that they either don't care about slavery, or are against ending it.

You see this the most when it comes to topics like wealth inequality/poverty; if you create an analogy using their same argument with respect to something like racism, it sounds exactly the same as the stuff racists say (or at least someone who doesn't care about racism). When they talk about racist white socialist bros, it's entirely projection; they're imagining that the left views social justice in the same way they view issues like material inequality/poverty.

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

nice

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