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I saw somebody on Twitter complaining that Cynthia Nixon is worth sixty million bucks. Just trying to rain on her parade.
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prefect posted:I saw somebody on Twitter complaining that Cynthia Nixon is worth sixty million bucks. Just trying to rain on her parade. The question I always ask was "Did they get the money from their own labor, or from exploiting others?" for most actors it's the former so IDGAF how much they have.
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Jul 13, 2018 15:36
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Why does Bernie accept donations? take out a mortgage, you con man
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The question I always ask was "Did they get the money from their own labor, or from exploiting others?" for most actors it's the former so IDGAF how much they have. pretty much yea, this is the actual 'line' we should use to decide hypocrisy and all. Nixon is rich as gently caress but unless I missed some sweatshop poo poo hitting her or whatever she wasn't exactly stealing the labor of others for profit. No one's being exploited by the chapo boys having an entirely donation based thing. Also Will is probably the most bougie dude on the team and he's 100% open about being a fancy lad and Felix jokes about how he's a big gamer dork from boring rear end middle class hell and all.
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The question I always ask was "Did they get the money from their own labor, or from exploiting others?" for most actors it's the former so IDGAF how much they have. lol at the idea of literally anyone performing 60 million dollar worth of labor
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I always support entertainers (including athletes) over management but let's be real, the behind-the-scenes workers are getting hosed in this arrangement, and there's a general problem in arts and athletics where everything is built around one or two stars with pay distributed accordingly.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:02
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little munchkin posted:lol at the idea of literally anyone performing 60 million dollar worth of labor The discussion of whether her labor is overvalued is a legit one, but that's a completely separate thing from the fact that she did not exploit others for it.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:03
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The question I always ask was "Did they get the money from their own labor, or from exploiting others?" for most actors it's the former so IDGAF how much they have. Why do you think Brendon left
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Doppelganger posted:Casual listener here. Sincere question, have they ever addressed the fact that everyone knows they're making more in a month from their patreon than most people make in a year? But they're hardline socialists? Do they donate patreon money to NYC public schools or something? Nick on cum town has offhandedly mentioned that they donate a bunch of it a couple times, they just dont tell anyone about it I think.
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Doppelganger posted:Casual listener here. Sincere question, have they ever addressed the fact that everyone knows they're making more in a month from their patreon than most people make in a year? But they're hardline socialists? Do they donate patreon money to NYC public schools or something? They're giving away half of their product for free. If it were not for that fact I guess one could make an argument that they could stand to lower their price so it would be available to more people, but then again, it's a stupid loving show about The Noid so who really gives a poo poo if people have full access to it or not compared to the stuff poor people do go without? Even an anarchist like Mark Bray takes payment for his books. As individuals living in a capitalist society we're extremely vulnerable, so I don't blame someone for getting while the getting is good. I don't feel like you have to live a life of asceticism to have credibility when calling for systemic change. I also feel like there's a larger argument to be made that redistribution of wealth should be handled by the state, or at the very least not be relied upon to be a voluntary effort; otherwise the people with the kind of wealth that would make a systemic difference will never do so. If they are donating and stuff, then that is great, but I feel like they have the credibility needed to make a dumb internet show. thotsky fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Biomute posted:They're giving away half of their product for free. If it were not for that fact I guess one could make an argument that they could stand to lower their price so it would be available to more people, but then again, it's a stupid loving show about The Noid so who really gives a poo poo if people have full access to it or not compared to the stuff poor people do go without? not only do they not charge for half their product, they said once or twice that they are cool with people pirating it. even though it sounds like a caked in irony thing to say, I think they really mean it, which is something I can respect
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Jul 13, 2018 17:19
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If you're a poor socialist they call you jealous. If you're a rich socialist they call you a hypocrite.
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Being rich alienates from the struggles of the working class and limits one's capacity for solidarity. Amber seems like the only one who is trying to compensate for that with her own actions. This is in no way an indictment for any Chapo because that's just how this poo poo works and they are all just as subject to the american capitalist mindset as anyone. Plus NYC is expensive as gently caress. But they're not trying to do anything too radical and different. If Real-rear end Revolution actually came to the US, I don't think the dry boys would be able avoid the reeducation camps. They'd be lucky to avoid going up against the wall, tbf.
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Jul 13, 2018 17:48
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This is a very big problem because the fate of the left hinges on popular comedy podcast, the Chapo Trap House.
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Jul 13, 2018 17:56
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The discussion of whether her labor is overvalued is a legit one, but that's a completely separate thing from the fact that she did not exploit others for it. she was given that 60 million dollars by a network of unrepentant sex criminals. similar to consumption, there is no ethical production under capitalism
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The question I always ask was "Did they get the money from their own labor, or from exploiting others?" for most actors it's the former so IDGAF how much they have. That's pretty dumb. Nobody can personally extricate themselves from the system of exploitation which allows for such accumulation of wealth in the first place
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Being rich alienates from the struggles of the working class and limits one's capacity for solidarity. Amber seems like the only one who is trying to compensate for that with her own actions. This is in no way an indictment for any Chapo because that's just how this poo poo works and they are all just as subject to the american capitalist mindset as anyone. Plus NYC is expensive as gently caress. listening to chapo and cum town really made me sympathize with the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" phenomenon making six figures by being a lazy peice of poo poo who can't even perform their two hours of "labor" a week without derailing things to talk about who want to get korean bbq afterwards must kick rear end
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Being rich alienates from the struggles of the working class and limits one's capacity for solidarity. Amber seems like the only one who is trying to compensate for that with her own actions. This is in no way an indictment for any Chapo because that's just how this poo poo works and they are all just as subject to the american capitalist mindset as anyone. Plus NYC is expensive as gently caress. whoa are you transcribing episodes?
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Jul 13, 2018 18:05
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Making a comedy politics podcast isn't a vow of poverty. Get a grip, people. Instead hate on them for shamelessly trying to cash in with a lame book.
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Nothus posted:Making a comedy politics podcast isn't a vow of poverty. Get a grip, people. the book is stupid but i honestly can't tell if the shilling is a joke or if its serious. i'm too deep in the irony
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Being rich alienates from the struggles of the working class and limits one's capacity for solidarity. Amber seems like the only one who is trying to compensate for that with her own actions. This is in no way an indictment for any Chapo because that's just how this poo poo works and they are all just as subject to the american capitalist mindset as anyone. Plus NYC is expensive as gently caress. Uh yeah man
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Being rich alienates from the struggles of the working class and limits one's capacity for solidarity. Amber seems like the only one who is trying to compensate for that with her own actions. This is in no way an indictment for any Chapo because that's just how this poo poo works and they are all just as subject to the american capitalist mindset as anyone. Plus NYC is expensive as gently caress. uphold noidist-codyist thought
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Serf posted:the book is stupid but i honestly can't tell if the shilling is a joke or if its serious. i'm too deep in the irony I think that they definitely actually would like to sell a lot of books if that's what you're wondering
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Jul 13, 2018 18:27
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why is the book stupid?? some of us prefer the written word, you plebs.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:43
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I want the book just for the david brooks column
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Jul 13, 2018 18:44
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I just want it to hit Number one so we get juicy news articles about it
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Bryter posted:That's pretty dumb. Nobody can personally extricate themselves from the system of exploitation which allows for such accumulation of wealth in the first place Unless you expect everyone to take a vow of poverty and lead an acetic lifestyle you have to draw the line somewhere.
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Nothus posted:Making a comedy politics podcast isn't a vow of poverty. Get a grip, people. Buy the book.
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There's a 18th century tale about that particular impetus!
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Nothus posted:Making a comedy politics podcast isn't a vow of poverty. Get a grip, people. buy the book
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Bryter posted:That's pretty dumb. Nobody can personally extricate themselves from the system of exploitation which allows for such accumulation of wealth in the first place yo dude, some people can take a lot more of an active hand in that exploitation than others, dont go and pretend that the ruling class is a victim of circumstance the same way the working class is anyways this is ignoring the point that even if chapo somehow found an anomalous wellspring of capital, they are actively undermining capitalism by being a pole of attraction towards anticapitalist politics not that chapo are going to be what builds the revolution or anything, but we should be glad when anyone with a public audience is willing to speak against capitalism and for socialism, even a dipshit podcast
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Jul 13, 2018 19:18
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Steal the book
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I believe the best outcome for Chapo will be for them to continue to publish books. Their fans will need to start buying multiple copies of each new book. They will develop a fictional multiverse with its own set of rich-but-socialist heroes who outwit aliens/pirates/crooked capitalists in between monologues about voluntary celebacy and revolutionary gaming. Then when patreon cuts them off they can leverage their publishing wealth to open first a national then a global series of 'chapo institutes' that use the principles of bineural beats, kratom, and mma training to raise up a new class of socialists. Socialists who would be willing to give all their exploitation-derived income to the institutions. And live on a boat.
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Jul 13, 2018 19:33
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Will the beats be suitable for our neurodivergent comrades?
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Jul 13, 2018 19:34
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how come the chapo boys don’t check into protests on facebook so we can keep tabs on whether they’re actually Doing Activism???
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Jul 13, 2018 20:04
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Nothus posted:Steal the book
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I remember someone asking why the Dry Boys don’t do some sort of Black Panthers free Breakfast program and now I’m imagining what kind of It’s Always Sunny / McMartin Preschool debacle that would lead to. trufax though a lot of charities (even the ones that actually help people) are run by incompetent out of touch middle class people why the gently caress would you want to create more of that
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Jul 13, 2018 20:25
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Chapo Trap House, who aren't even DSA members, are telling us how to socialism!?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:I remember someone asking why the Dry Boys don’t do some sort of Black Panthers free Breakfast program and now I’m imagining what kind of It’s Always Sunny / McMartin Preschool debacle that would lead to. They've full supported the DSA replace taillight bulb program.
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their patreon indicates $1.2 million a year, which, assuming they're splitting it equally 6 ways, is around $193k a year per person after Patreon's 5% cut and before taxes, etc., i.e., doing pretty well even by NYC standards, but not exactly in pro athlete or hedge fund manager territory. excessive wealth accumulation is of course disgusting but the left does itself no favors with its poorer-than-thou reverse dick measuring contests as a measure of individual piety
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