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X-O posted:Narrator: "It wasn't" There's no way they don't bring him back at this point, everyone else is alive again. Edit: wait, how is his visor glowing if it's not on his face?
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Rhyno posted:There's no way they don't bring him back at this point, everyone else is alive again. I know. But it wasn't a mistake. He needed to die and Young Scott is a million times the character that OG Scott has been in the the last 30 or so years.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:15
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X-O posted:I know. But it wasn't a mistake. He needed to die and Young Scott is a million times the character that OG Scott has been in the the last 30 or so years. Oh that part. I disagree, he was terrible up to G-Mo, Whedon ran with that but after that yuck. And they doubled down on it with Bendis.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:16
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I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything more. I liked Scott a lot up to Morrison, but I loved everything they did with the character more after that. His post M-Day leading the survivors is great great stuff. Bendis doesn't really do much with him, but he also doesn't actively harm the character, so. I was so disappointed when he died, even though the death itself was well done, because it felt like a book ending halfway through a chapter.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:21
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Prediction: “set it right” involves sending the young X-Men squad back to the past, which resets X-continuity such that everyone is back to classic, boring versions of themselves, because Bendis is gone.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:33
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I'll miss Young Scott. He had chemistry with Ms. Marvel in Champions, but that would probably never happen.
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Jul 15, 2018 02:34
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maybe it means cyclops with have one eye like leela from futurama now
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Jul 15, 2018 02:35
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Rhyno posted:Edit: wait, how is his visor glowing if it's not on his face? https://twitter.com/kennybloggins/status/1017891076303196161
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Jul 15, 2018 02:39
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X-O posted:Narrator: "It wasn't" Second narrator: "It really was"
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Jul 15, 2018 02:43
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X-O posted:I know. But it wasn't a mistake. He needed to die and Young Scott is a million times the character that OG Scott has been in the the last 30 or so years. I'm gonna fight you
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Jul 15, 2018 03:31
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Second narrator: "It really was" Nah, he needed a bit in the time out room to let the douche chills pass. And Young Scott was, absolutely, a better character than he was right around the time he died.
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Jul 15, 2018 04:12
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People cannot seriously be saying that the better version of a character is "time-displaced teenager that ignores 50 years of story" can they? Murder the time-displaced X-men and feed their spirits into my nefarious soul-engine so that original Scott can come back and knock some sense into you. I want the Scott who did nothing wrong, not the Scott who did nothing wrong.
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Jul 15, 2018 05:01
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Nilbop posted:People cannot seriously be saying that the better version of a character is "time-displaced teenager that ignores 50 years of story" can they? time-displaced teenager Scott never left his wife and child in Alaska without a moments hesitation
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Jul 15, 2018 05:10
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Time-displaced teenager Scott never did anything interesting. Time-displaced teenager Scott never did anything.
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Jul 15, 2018 05:12
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Nilbop posted:Time-displaced teenager Scott never did anything interesting. Time-displaced teenager Scott never did anything. That's an improvement because most of the things Cyclops has ever done have been terrible and stupid. e: Like I don't know how people can call him the boyscout, he's one of the bigger assholes in the entire X-Men. And that's a long loving list. Mulva fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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Jul 15, 2018 05:39
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There's nothing to "put right." His arc was great, the whole overarching thing was good. He actually got a character and did what he could for mutant kind and it wasn't a complete rehash of Xavier-Magneto ... okay maybe the Wolverine - Cyclops split.
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Jul 15, 2018 05:59
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Why can't Cyclops be an ideal student learning at the foot of the paragon of virtue and wisdom and make only the choices that are easily marketable, or small, meaningless and equally marketable mistakes? Because that was his character 55 years ago and if you never allow that to develop or change then what's even the point of having it? I know everytime a character does something I disagree with I write to the author to reset it back to the factory settings so that nothing ever changes and nothing interesting ever comes from anything.
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Nilbop posted:Why can't Cyclops be an ideal student learning at the foot of the paragon of virtue and wisdom and make only the choices that are easily marketable, or small, meaningless and equally marketable mistakes? It's more that Cyclops is a moron whose personal life is like a war crime and he's basically never done anything productive, so there's really no loss in killing him. At least the young one is nominally before he turned into a total jackhole, and knows he grows up to be a jackhole, so that at least gives him the chance to make interesting choices. Cyclops is a poisoned well of expectations.
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Jul 15, 2018 07:03
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He was kind of already a fascist in the making in those early issues of X-men.
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Jul 15, 2018 07:08
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there's a difference between liking a character warts and all and thinking that the many huge, disgusting, disfiguring warts are so essential that they are the entirety of what defines the character, and giving them a fresh chance at developing new, potentially more interesting and less deal-breaking warts is sacrilege.
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Jul 15, 2018 07:24
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Cyclops was fine before AvX because that whole event was garbage and he never really recovered from it. He only got worse the more Bendis wrote him. He was his most interesting when Morrison and Whedon wrote him. Also Gillen did a decent job with him as well. His last really good chance of being awesome again was when he once again got the Phoenix powers but he was written by Hickman so it was badass even though no one had any clue how it loving happened. And of course getting ganked by God-Doom, our Lord and savior long may he reign. Jiro fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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Jul 15, 2018 08:38
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You have to take AvX out of the canon when discussing things because it's so monumentally stupid that nothing made even remote sense.
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Jul 15, 2018 09:51
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Nilbop posted:I know everytime a character does something I disagree with I write to the author to reset it back to the factory settings so that nothing ever changes and nothing interesting ever comes from anything. there's a limit to everything, and in this case that limit is secret war
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Jul 15, 2018 09:55
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Mulva posted:Nah, he needed a bit in the time out room to let the douche chills pass. And Young Scott was, absolutely, a better character than he was right around the time he died. I'll agree he needed a bit of a time-out, but you can accomplish that by having him just wander off-panel into the woods for a couple of years instead of "he died off-panel and everyone thinks he's Literally Hitler except it turns out he died preventing the needless deaths of basically all of mutantkind but we're still supposed to think he's a douche, shh."
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Jul 15, 2018 09:59
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Mulva posted:It's more that Cyclops is a moron whose personal life is like a war crime and he's basically never done anything productive, so there's really no loss in killing him. At least the young one is nominally before he turned into a total jackhole, and knows he grows up to be a jackhole, so that at least gives him the chance to make interesting choices. Cyclops is a poisoned well of expectations. Yeah. Remember how Cyclops cheating on his wife led to a demonic invasion of New York? That's hard to walk past.
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Never been a huge fan of Cyke, but frankly I'd be just fine if every casualty and other thing about the whole Inhuman v. X-Men debacle was rolled back so we can put that terribly stupid period of time behind us.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah. Remember how Cyclops cheating on his wife led to a demonic invasion of New York? That's hard to walk past. If you wanna go that way with it, then that was actually Mr. Sinister manipulating everything that way, which makes Scott a tragic victim.
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Codependent Poster posted:If you wanna go that way with it, then that was actually Mr. Sinister manipulating everything that way, which makes Scott a tragic victim. Nah. Dude left his wife.
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Codependent Poster posted:If you wanna go that way with it, then that was actually Mr. Sinister manipulating everything that way, which makes Scott a tragic victim. I think he meant New X-Men? I dunno. Also the only canon AvX deserves is the one where all of it's media is stuffed into an actual cannon and fired off into the sun.
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Jul 15, 2018 18:40
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Jiro posted:Cyclops was fine before AvX because that whole event was garbage and he never really recovered from it. He only got worse the more Bendis wrote him. If Hickman ever comes back to Marvel I really want him on Uncanny X-Men.
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Skwirl posted:If Hickman ever comes back to Marvel I really want him on Uncanny X-Men. Didn’t he once say he had no interest in X-Men? I hope so. I love him but that seems like a bad fit to me.
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Dawgstar posted:Nah. Dude left his wife. And infant child!
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X-O posted:Didn’t he once say he had no interest in X-Men? I hope so. I love him but that seems like a bad fit to me. He had a good grasp on how Beast was actually the complete worst ever.
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Skwirl posted:He had a good grasp on how Beast was actually the complete worst ever. Why does everyone hate Hank?
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Covok posted:Why does everyone hate Hank? Because he's a horrible person. Unless he's paired with Wonder Man, in which case they become the best.
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If Jonathan Hickman comes back to Marvel I want him on Spider-man with Chip. But making his own books/universe is better too. I don't want him on DC because Bendis will gently caress with his poo poo.
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yes god forbid there be any hickman/bendis interaction because the last time was just so terrible like I'm not a bendis fan at all but c'mon
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X-O posted:Didn’t he once say he had no interest in X-Men? I think he just continually rags on them on Twitter cause it makes people mad.
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Hickman loves the New Mutants. If he doesn't want to write the X-Men it's probably because of what an editorial clusterfuck they always seem to be. They'd have to give him the Morrison/Whedon treatment.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I think he just continually rags on them on Twitter cause it makes people mad. The Gail Simone approach.
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