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If food and water and shelter and so on have no intrinsic value then it shouldn't be a problem to provide them to everybody free of charge. Sounds pretty sweet.
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sebzilla posted:If food and water and shelter and so on have no intrinsic value then it shouldn't be a problem to provide them to everybody free of charge. Sounds pretty sweet. I agree. That should be done.
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Nurge posted:I agree. That should be done. What if a group of people wanted to deny those things to certain other groups of people and campaigned vociferously to that effect on the streets? Would you be against that group's principles?
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sebzilla posted:What if a group of people wanted to deny those things to certain other groups of people and campaigned vociferously to that effect on the streets? Those people would need to be corrected of their chosen mistake.
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ekuNNN posted:"If you're against being on fire then you're by definition a firefighter" What if you're against the work of firefighters and think they should just leave the fires alone to do what they want?
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sebzilla posted:What if a group of people wanted to deny those things to certain other groups of people and campaigned vociferously to that effect on the streets? In theory I guess, just like I'm in support of that in theory. I don't really care that much since I can't personally influence it in any way.
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sebzilla posted:What if you're against the work of firefighters and think they should just leave the fires alone to do what they want? Then you're a liberal.  
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ekuNNN posted:"If you're against being on fire then you're by definition a firefighter" I mean yes, in that if there is a fire nearby I will put it out. I'm not a professional at it but I will do it because I'm not like, apathetic to fire consuming everything.
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Anyone who is depressed about being a cog in the capitalist system that exploits people should read about Filip Müller. Basically he was a Jewish prisoner in the death camps who had a personal hand in the murder of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of people. He was allowed to live because he was a very productive cog in the Holocaust machine. He tried to commit suicide by walking into a gas chamber. He decided not to kill himself after being told that he has a chance to live, and should take that chance so he can tell the world about his experience. So the moral of the story is that if you're a cog in the capitalist system then there is nothing you can do personally to destroy the system. What you can do is survive, and maybe some outside force will destroy the system, at which point you can have a hand in building a more just world.
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The arts have defined every civilization up to this point, it separates us from the animals, and it really confirms how lovely our current society is because of how much we hate it. Suppressing artistic endeavours is the act of suppressing humanity. Very fitting.
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Hey kids! Become a Blood Bag, just like in the hit movie Mad Max: Fury Road (available now on Bluray)
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Nurge posted:I agree. That should be done. welcome to the antifa super soldier program, brother
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Fried Watermelon posted:welcome to the antifa super soldier program, brother Eh. I mean if I thought that did any good I would sign up. I just don't think beating up inbred idiots demonstrating is going to do anything. The problems are so much farther up the hill I won't be able to ever touch it.
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qkkl posted:So the moral of the story is that if you're a cog in the capitalist system then there is nothing you can do personally to destroy the system. What you can do is survive, and maybe some outside force will destroy the system, at which point you can have a hand in building a more just world. That's a lovely as gently caress moral. If no individual will act then were is this mysterious outside force going to come from?
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due to extreme fox news brain rot, half the country will go fash if they think it's now socially acceptable. this means fascists can multiply like rabbits which is why they need the poo poo beat out of them as soon as they show their faces
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ekuNNN posted:Hmm yeah, letting them build a violent street movement without opposition seems like the right idea, because we can't solve all racism right now. Mitigating harm is for losers who care about things. No, it's cool. We did nothing when fascism showed up 80 years ago and that all worked out fine.
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Nurge posted:Eh. I mean if I thought that did any good I would sign up. I just don't think beating up inbred idiots demonstrating is going to do anything. The problems are so much farther up the hill I won't be able to ever touch it. It does prevent them from chucking firebombs through the nearest halal butcher’s windows when the rally is over. Fascism isn’t just a violent ideology, it’s an ideology of violence, where constant, purifying bloodshed is the end-goal. Fascist literature is remarkably explicit about this, and while your average neo-Nazi goon isn’t a big reader, you can get the folks organising them are. A peaceful fascist rally is a contradiction in terms - they are only ever preludes to and incitements of violence, and it’s better that that violence happens at the protest lines rather than in some unfortunate black family’s house. I mean, it would be even better if the police would take fascism seriously and deal with it in a measured, efficient, and accountable way, rather than forcing folks to rely on vigilante mobs to keep them safe, but... well, you’ve seen the rest of this thread.
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Darth Walrus posted:It does prevent them from chucking firebombs through the nearest halal butcher’s windows when the rally is over. Fascism isn’t just a violent ideology, it’s an ideology of violence, where constant, purifying bloodshed is the end-goal. Fascist literature is remarkably explicit about this, and while your average neo-Nazi goon isn’t a big reader, you can get the folks organising them are. A peaceful fascist rally is a contradiction in terms - they are only ever preludes to and incitements of violence, and it’s better that that violence happens at the protest lines rather than in some unfortunate black family’s house. I don't live in the US though, and the police do take the fash seriously here. I mean it's still potentially possible to gather against them, but I see very little point. It's just a demonstration and I have better things to spend my energy on. If I lived in the US I might actually be more likely to care about the fringe right movements. I'm not sure. Either way this is the world I live in, so I pick my battles and causes I care about.
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Zzulu posted:Kill the rich It'd be so easy, they're so complacent these days. Back in the past they built castles to live in so you couldn't loving brain them for being evil.
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ekuNNN posted:I'm guessing you're Dutch going by your avatar, and this is a very wrong view of what actually happens here. To name one example from recent years: the only reason PEGIDA netherlands is now like 8 people noone takes seriously is because we confronted them at every demonstration they held, especially their first in Utrecht, and this drove away all the casual racists and people who want to look respectable and only left a small group of hardcore nazis and worm-brain islamophobes who quickly got bored of being outnumbered and confined at their demos. I'm not dutch. Someone who thought they were clever bought me this. I don't really mean to downplay the value of gathering against the alt-right, but honestly the people actually in political positions are very rarely in any contact with the racist shitbags on the ground. I just don't see the value in spending a lot of time on a few fringe nuts, I'm sorry. It's a personal stance, and other people disagree. I hope their stuff works out. e: Just to be clear I'm from Finland.
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most fascists dont take to the streets. they whine about anti fascists on the internet and become cops the woke twitter brigade might actually be the most powerful force against fascism in modern times lmao
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Darth Walrus posted:It does prevent them from chucking firebombs through the nearest halal butcher’s windows when the rally is over. Fascism isn’t just a violent ideology, it’s an ideology of violence, where constant, purifying bloodshed is the end-goal. Fascist literature is remarkably explicit about this, and while your average neo-Nazi goon isn’t a big reader, you can get the folks organising them are. A peaceful fascist rally is a contradiction in terms - they are only ever preludes to and incitements of violence, and it’s better that that violence happens at the protest lines rather than in some unfortunate black family’s house. US cops literally enable and collaborate with the fascists (hint: they're also fascists), doing nothing would be extremely preferred.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:US cops literally enable and collaborate with the fascists (hint: they're also fascists), doing nothing would be extremely preferred. That was what I was alluding to with the last paragraph, yes.
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Try calling a spade a spade instead of extremely bad weaselly language that enables fascism by omission.
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if you want a fun lark, watch Season 30 and Season 31 of Cops. its masterfully edited to make the officers look as good as possible to the right audiences, but they are LOGGED IN. and it's only 2018. it's just a matter of time before we cut out the middleman of "due process" and law enforcement is completely privatized. then they'll get the most lethal loving futuretech. it's completely terrifying and also kinda bleakly hilarious watching the future unfold just as we were told it would.
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Ligament posted:if you want a fun lark, watch Season 30 and Season 31 of Cops. its masterfully edited to make the officers look as good as possible to the right audiences, but they are LOGGED IN. and it's only 2018. it's just a matter of time before we cut out the middleman of "due process" and law enforcement is completely privatized. then they'll get the most lethal loving futuretech. it's completely terrifying and also kinda bleakly hilarious watching the future unfold just as we were told it would. no one but boomers watches cops anymore and we all know cops are bad
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Try calling a spade a spade instead of extremely bad weaselly language that enables fascism by omission. Come on dude. This kind of beating up on people who are on your side is exactly why I loving hate interacting with the internet left, even though I agree with their positions on pretty nearly everything. There's no harm in using roundabout language. I'm pretty sure everyone here figured out what they meant anyway.
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This is why I hate interacting with non-leftists, where critique is de facto attack. There is absolutely harm in using roundabout language, roundabout language is employed by the same force you're criticizing to great effect (e.g., "officer involved shooting"), self-censorship is precisely what fascists love to inculcate in every and all fascist movements... I wonder why. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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