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So Samsung SmartThings had an hour long login outage this morning, I called and they're like yeah it's down for everyone. They fixed it but I mean fucks sake, some of these things are important, how about a little redundancy?
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Jul 12, 2018 01:22
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Zero VGS posted:So Samsung SmartThings had an hour long login outage this morning, I called and they're like yeah it's down for everyone. They fixed it but I mean fucks sake, some of these things are important, how about a little redundancy? It’s pretty good nowadays. It used to be much worse. They’re in no hurry to give everyone what they want: 100% local processing. I think because they’re aggregating the gently caress out of everyone’s data. When the SmartThings cloud gets hacked it’s going to be a rough day for a lot of people.
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Jul 12, 2018 01:26
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Zero VGS posted:So Samsung SmartThings had an hour long login outage this morning, I called and they're like yeah it's down for everyone. They fixed it but I mean fucks sake, some of these things are important, how about a little redundancy? ST has a lot going for it, but I have zero confidence in Samsungs infrastructure abilities. You write custom code for ST in Groovy of all things. Groovy! I mean, thats got to tell you something about whoever is making technical decisions over there. (Actually, I seem to recall Samsung bought ST from someone so maybe its actually that original companies fault)
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Jul 12, 2018 01:36
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The "R" in "IOT" stands for "reliable". (The "S" stands for "secure")
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Jul 12, 2018 01:53
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Actually "RIOT" is a pretty good acronym.
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Jul 12, 2018 01:54
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I feel like Hue has hit the balance between local and cloud functionality pretty well. All the primary functionality works 100% locally with a security mechanism that's sufficient for the application (requiring a physical button press on the base). The cloud is only required if you want control from outside your network or integration with other cloud services, and in that case it makes perfect sense because the other option is having all kinds of non-technical people start dealing with port forwarding which is just a bad idea. If the cloud service entirely disappeared tomorrow the device isn't bricked. No critical functionality stops working, you just lose a few nice features which can pretty much all be replicated within Home Assistant or other decent automation platforms. Not at all like my Nest Thermostat, which basically becomes a really nice looking 7 day programmable thermostat if Alphabet gets bored of it.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:47
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I'm not betting the farm on it, but I hope if ecobee goes tits up, they open up their local api so the open source community can keep it going. As a technical user I wish all this IoT stuff was local and I'll open ports as needed if I want remote access. For most users I imagine cloud mediated access is great.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:25
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Three-Phase posted:Actually "RIOT" is a pretty good acronym. RIOTS would be pretty good too. Reliable Internet of Things Security. Shame it doesn't exist, and probably won't for longer than it should take to get sorted.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:46
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wolrah posted:Not at all like my Nest Thermostat, which basically becomes a really nice looking 7 day programmable thermostat if Alphabet gets bored of it. Honestly I bought the Nest for the appearance alone. I like, and use, all the smart features but really the main reason was the great looking screen, brushed metal, and the tactile feeling I get when I turn it.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:50
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Thermopyle posted:I'm not betting the farm on it, but I hope if ecobee goes tits up, they open up their local api so the open source community can keep it going. I feel like Home Assistant’s cloud model is ideal - everything meaningful is done locally, the cloud mediated component is literally just for relaying things from external services like voice assistants without forcing the user to try to be properly secure about exposing their system to the Internet.
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Jul 12, 2018 16:51
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Home Assistant is great all around if you're a technical person. You can tinker to your hearts content, or set it up and never tinker again.
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Jul 12, 2018 17:38
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LastInLine posted:Honestly I bought the Nest for the appearance alone. I like, and use, all the smart features but really the main reason was the great looking screen, brushed metal, and the tactile feeling I get when I turn it. I'll definitely agree with that. On many occasions I've contemplated just DIYing a replacement that has the local control features I want, but every time I get to the physical design and realize that I'll end up with something that looks and feels DIY sitting in the main hallway of my house, just outside the main bathroom. The Nest looks great and has an intuitive UI. If it had a local API it'd be perfect IMO.
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Jul 12, 2018 22:40
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I replaced my Wink hub with Home Assistant a while ago. Love it. You want everything local? Done. You want mitigation for "cloud enabled" bullshit? You have options. They just released push support for the Rachio sprinkler controller, for example, that mitigates a good deal of the "needs to be connected to an always available cloud service" bullshit. You want to use cheap voice assistants like Google Home or Alexa in exchange for being data-mined? You can do that. Or not. Definitely more complicated to set up. For someone just starting out, it's a steeper learning curve, and lots of additional decisions, finding the right hardware, etc. need to be made. That's pretty much the exchange you get for flexibility. If you've been using Wink or ST etc. for a while and want to move up though, worth the effort, and easier.
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Jul 14, 2018 01:28
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Ring Pro Doorbell is on sale for Prime Day. Would be interested in any first-hand opinions on it. Is it any good, or should i just stump up for the Nest Hello?
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Jul 16, 2018 12:23
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Slash posted:Ring Pro Doorbell is on sale for Prime Day. Would be interested in any first-hand opinions on it. Is it any good, or should i just stump up for the Nest Hello? There's discussion of Ring on the previous page, but I don't guess it was the Pro model. I'm not sure what difference Pro makes.
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Jul 16, 2018 15:53
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Thermopyle posted:There's discussion of Ring on the previous page, but I don't guess it was the Pro model. I'm not sure what difference Pro makes. Pro is for people who open doors for money.
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Jul 16, 2018 15:57
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Thermopyle posted:There's discussion of Ring on the previous page, but I don't guess it was the Pro model. I'm not sure what difference Pro makes. After further reading, it seems that the Nest Hello has it beat on all fronts. Over the non-pro verion the pro version is wired, supports 5GHz wifi and has "Advanced motion detection incl. defining zones"
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Jul 16, 2018 16:03
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So I installed an innovelli smart switch in one of my rooms and connected it to SmartThings. It works fine manually. Using SmartThings, I can turn it on, but not off. What did I do wrong?
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Jul 16, 2018 16:05
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Looking at installing some security cameras around my L-shaped 1-story home. Does anyone know of any resources for planning layout/coverage? I am probably going to go with the Ubiquiti PoE cameras (I was thinking of putting all the cameras + NVR on a dedicated sub-switch to provide power/centralize traffic). e: Woah, cool -- I hadn't seen this https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2018/04/12/ubiquiti-and-home-assistant/ quote:TL;DR: Ubiquiti Networks has hired Paulus Schoutsen, the founder of Home Assistant, to support Home Assistant’s goals of making Home Assistant easier to configure for users, improving the integration with device makers and making it easier to create, maintain and evolve integrations. Hubis fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Jul 16, 2018 17:11
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Hubis posted:Looking at installing some security cameras around my L-shaped 1-story home. Does anyone know of any resources for planning layout/coverage? I am probably going to go with the Ubiquiti PoE cameras (I was thinking of putting all the cameras + NVR on a dedicated sub-switch to provide power/centralize traffic). https://calculator.ipvm.com/
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Jul 16, 2018 17:18
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Exactly what I was hoping for, thanks
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Jul 16, 2018 17:22
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I have a weird situation. I have a set of hard wired cabinet lights on a Homeseer Z-wave switch. When I press the switch I hear the relay thunk, and the power on/off light switches appropriately, but the lights stay on. Poking it via Z-wave does the same thing. Anyone heard of this? I’ll ping Homeseer support I guess, but I was not expecting this to be an available failure mode. And it’s a worrying one, sort of!
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Jul 16, 2018 17:57
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Subjunctive posted:I have a weird situation. I have a set of hard wired cabinet lights on a Homeseer Z-wave switch. When I press the switch I hear the relay thunk, and the power on/off light switches appropriately, but the lights stay on. Poking it via Z-wave does the same thing. short across the relay?
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Jul 16, 2018 23:09
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Man hue bulbs on sale at Amazon for Prime Day but they're being idiots about it. The prime day discount only applies to one bulb if you try to build multiples in one order. However, you can just do separate individual orders and get a discount on each bulb. On the plus side I just found out Amazon actually has a notice if you try to play a duplicate order.
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Jul 17, 2018 00:22
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Picked up an Ecobee3 + 3 sensors for $199. Thanks Prime Day! Now to get that C-wire installed... Anyone use one of these smart thermostats with radiators? I'm guessing the room sensors will help with that
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Jul 17, 2018 12:30
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BoyBlunder posted:Picked up an Ecobee3 + 3 sensors for $199. Thanks Prime Day! Now to get that C-wire installed... You don't need one. You can install their pkit in the ac unit and it bypasses the need for one. Thats why I got an ecobee over a nest.
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Jul 17, 2018 13:56
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Keystoned posted:You don't need one. You can install their pkit in the ac unit and it bypasses the need for one. Thats why I got an ecobee over a nest. You may not have to either. I originally thought I didn't have a C-wire and installed the pkit, but the unit didn't work properly. After spending 2 hours with a very patient lady on their support team (who made me unwire the whole thing and rewire using the c-wire) it worked. That's another reason to choose Ecobee: their support is phenomenal. The lady I worked with had me send her lots of wiring pictures and then she'd provide instructions, it was great.
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Jul 17, 2018 15:19
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enraged_camel posted:That's another reason to choose Ecobee: their support is phenomenal. The lady I worked with had me send her lots of wiring pictures and then she'd provide instructions, it was great. Did she sound canadian? Would be great if they're keeping their support team in-country
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Jul 17, 2018 15:28
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she had an indian accent IIRC that's all i remember
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Jul 17, 2018 15:56
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mewse posted:Did she sound canadian? What does a Canadian sound like?
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Jul 17, 2018 15:58
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Subjunctive posted:What does a Canadian sound like? Rudely polite.
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Jul 17, 2018 15:59
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Rudely polite. Thanks, rear end in a top hat.
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Jul 17, 2018 16:00
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Slash posted:Ring Pro Doorbell is on sale for Prime Day. Would be interested in any first-hand opinions on it. Is it any good, or should i just stump up for the Nest Hello? All I can say is the Skybell HD / Skybell Trim does all the same stuff, but no monthly fee. Check into that if you want to save money, it works great for me.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:29
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Ring is really shockingly slow to load video, so much so that it's really hard to actually use it as a doorbell where you can talk to people that rang it.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:37
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uPen posted:Ring is really shockingly slow to load video, so much so that it's really hard to actually use it as a doorbell where you can talk to people that rang it. Totally agree. The Ring app is truly terrible.
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Jul 18, 2018 02:34
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Zero VGS posted:All I can say is the Skybell HD / Skybell Trim does all the same stuff, but no monthly fee. Check into that if you want to save money, it works great for me. Just to be clear, unless they've added a bunch of stuff since I evaluated it awhile back, the Skybell doesn't do a lot of the stuff the Nest Hello Aware subscription does. Person recognition, face recognition, activity zones. Also, the app was noticeably slower to notify on events and load video streams or clips. However, if thats a worthwhile tradeoff to you its a fine device. Funnily enough, just before I sat down here at my PC my Google Homes said "Grandma and Sarah are at the front door" because they just rang the Nest Hello I've got there and it recognized their faces and was smart enough to recognize both of them and announce them both. It's pretty cool!
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Jul 18, 2018 03:16
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I've had a Ring Pro doorbell for over a year, then added a Ring Stick up cam for my back porch, and finally a Ring Spotlight Cam to cover my driveway (the trickiest install as I had to dick around in my attic over the garage and run power out to it) and I can say, after extensive usage with all of them and the Ring App, without hesitation or reservation, that Ring is a piece of poo poo and can go gently caress itself sideways. Buy anything else. I already have.
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Jul 18, 2018 08:07
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Thermopyle posted:Just to be clear, unless they've added a bunch of stuff since I evaluated it awhile back, the Skybell doesn't do a lot of the stuff the Nest Hello Aware subscription does. Right, I was comparing Skybell to Ring, not to Nest. Nest charges a monthly fee but gives you 24/7 recording and face recognition, etc. Ring charges a monthly fee but just does the same basic stuff as Skybell. So Ring doesn't make much sense to me vs the alternatives. It does give 60 days history vs 7 for Skybell but I've never needed more than 7 days; if anything happens that's worth keeping I could just download the clip to my phone with the Skybell app. Also, the app is fast enough on loading streams/clips, and the "Doorbell pressed" notifications are near instantaneous, even if I'm in my house with the phone on a data connection, it buzzes me as the physical doorbell is still sounding.
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Jul 18, 2018 23:29
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Zero VGS posted:Right, I was comparing Skybell to Ring, not to Nest. Nest charges a monthly fee but gives you 24/7 recording and face recognition, etc. Ring charges a monthly fee but just does the same basic stuff as Skybell. So Ring doesn't make much sense to me vs the alternatives. It does give 60 days history vs 7 for Skybell but I've never needed more than 7 days; if anything happens that's worth keeping I could just download the clip to my phone with the Skybell app. They may have improved it since I last used it months ago. But yeah, I don't see a compelling reason to get Ring over Skybell.
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BoyBlunder posted:Picked up an Ecobee3 + 3 sensors for $199. Thanks Prime Day! Now to get that C-wire installed... I bought an Ecobee3 lite and two sensors a few months ago, but the Smart Away only works with the remote sensors, which is annoying as it clearly has the sensor in the head as it goes on every time you are near it.
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