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This time they already threw it, and it has "lol" written on the side. Maybe a monster truck stencil. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:This time they already threw it, and it has "lol" written on the side. it's this and it owns
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:This time they already threw it, and it has "lol" written on the side. As the grenade arced through the air, Robert Swan noticed a most curious thing, a small luggage tag taped to the side of it. In the last seconds of his life, he noticed the tag read: "To whom it may concern: lol".
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Okay if the IP theft here is so inevitable, why hasn't it been done before? Seriously, Hygon is an AMD puppet company and the fab company is probably filled with AMD engineers, this is secure as it can get.Paul MaudDib posted:Alternate hypothesis: AMD let Zen get completely reverse engineered and China cut AMD loose within a year. Say, how long has it been since Epyc "launched"? Oh right, a year. Or, here me out, this is because the Chinese government is paranoid as gently caress and wants processors with their own custom security/backdoors? AMD has been cut loose because AMD is controlling the design and production at each step.
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Ryzen 2600 non-X @ $160 after Newegg coupon code, courtesy Techreport: https://techreport.com/news/33903/get-a-ryzen-5-2600-for-160-with-this-newegg-deal RX580 8GB @ $300 with free Asrock AB350 board on Newegg too: https://www.qksrv.net/links/1800524/type/am/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-930-002 I would totally jumped if I weren't using 8700K now.
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Is there any point really in clocking a 2700x? Doesn't clocking disable xfr which gives a higher boost to two cores then is easy to achieve by clocking? Also if anyone has any tips on getting high speed memory running, such as what voltages to goose, I'd appreciate it.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Is there any point really in clocking a 2700x? Not sure about voltages for memory, but no don't bother overclocking a 2700X, XFR and PBO are waaay better at eeking out every ounce of potential the chip has, and safely as well. About the only time you want to manually OC is when you are doing something very highly threaded, and even then if you give XFR and PBO enough thermal headroom they'll push all cores as hard as they can anyway. XFR3 and PBO3 will probably solve the core selection issues XFR2 and PBO2 have, and may even have built in protections so if they detect garbage VRMs they won't push as hard, so you couldn't even junk your board if you wanted to.
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Re: AMD and China, VIA has also licensed their x86 chip designs to a Chinese company who are claiming they will improve them to reach a level of performance comparable to AMD's Zen cores by 2020.
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FaustianQ posted:Not sure about voltages for memory, but no don't bother overclocking a 2700X, XFR and PBO are waaay better at eeking out every ounce of potential the chip has, and safely as well. About the only time you want to manually OC is when you are doing something very highly threaded, and even then if you give XFR and PBO enough thermal headroom they'll push all cores as hard as they can anyway. Ah great, thank you. Chip is in transit and I'm stoked.
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But DO set RAM timings where applicable - it's not entirely 100% hands off.
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Does ryzen read xmp profiles? This is some of the first ddr4 4000 and doesn't have AMP. E - oh it's board dependant. Wonder if this board will. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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My board supports 3466 and my 3600 memory runs at 3466 and no higher despite throwing power at it. I can tighten up most of my primary timings, but the system refuses to even try running the TC faster than xmp. Kind of odd. My 2600x will boost to 4.25 GHz but will instantly freeze at the suggestion that it clock any higher at all manually. I haven't tried very hard yet, but I guess I should be happy that everything just works beyond expectations out of the box.
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LRADIKAL posted:I should be happy that everything just works beyond expectations out of the box. Yes, you should! That's a beast of a machine that should last you several years.
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Dear god, release the drat Threadripper 2 already, so people can bench these things and that I know prices for budgeting in fall.
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LRADIKAL posted:My board supports 3466 and my 3600 memory runs at 3466 and no higher despite throwing power at it. I can tighten up most of my primary timings, but the system refuses to even try running the TC faster than xmp. Kind of odd. If I understand XFR2 correctly the CPU will auto clock as many cores to max speed as your thermal headroom supports anyway, so a manual overclock isn't worth the hassle since there is a hard upper bound on clock speed with Ryzen(+). I'm glad I waited to get my 2600x instead of buying in during last year's growing pains, though. My Asus Prime X470-Pro didn't have any issue identifying my 3200 RAM and I haven't had a single issue with the BIOS or drivers. Beyond you guys helping me re-select the balanced power profile everything has worked perfectly out of the box.
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Did any of you get one of those Ryzen waifu pillows? I kind of want one  
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Der8auer went dicking around with an EPYC 7601 to theorycraft 2990X things. Turns out running Cinebench on the EPYC in quad channel mode results in ~3800 points, whereas octochannel results in ~5200 points. I guess a quad die Threadripper will be gimped in certain scenarios.
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AnandTech interviews Jim Keller, thought it might be of interest to some here vv D'oh HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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HalloKitty posted:AnandTech reviews Jim Keller, thought it might be of interest to some here they give Jim Keller a recommended buy in the conclusion, but IMHO it's a paper launch. I can't find Jim Keller in stock anywhere!
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Was hoping to get a hint of when to expect Keller Lake.
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Bloody Antlers posted:Was hoping to get a hint of when to expect Keller Lake. Khorne fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Khorne posted:I don't think there are any rivers named Keller Lake. Are you sure there isn't one formed by all the tears Intel is shedding because of zen and 10nm?
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Regardless of the trend, Intel still has over 10x cash on hand over AMD atm. A small pond right now but yeah ok a lake forms if AMD scores a direct hit on 7nm.
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Hopefully it does and they can hire Raja back to keep the toilets clean.
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Uh, my 2700+ boots with ddr4 4000 Unexpected
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give us a trip report on 3dmark and stuff please.
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E - ah, it's not stable. Blue screen, and it's now booting into fail safe mode I guess. gently caress, it boots fast though. Faster then z170 ultra fast boot in normal boot mode. It can't be far off stable tbh. I'll see what it'll do. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:E - ah, it's not stable. Blue screen, and it's now booting into fail safe mode I guess. gently caress, it boots fast though. Faster then z170 ultra fast boot in normal boot mode.
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Ya. I'll bump the memory voltage up to 1.45 tomorrow and check it out. I'm surprised it even booted. My temps in the bios are insane. 58C idle. Ryzen Master is reporting 30C idle, 63C loaded in OCCT, and the block / rad / back of board are barely warm, and the voltages are totally sane... so I'm trusting Ryzen Master. It's boosting fine up to 4.225GHz so I think it's just bios gently caress. Asrock X470 ITX. What other programs are known good for checking temps with Ryzen 2700+? GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Khorne posted:More Voltage The beatings will continue until stability improves 
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Ya. I'll bump the memory voltage up to 1.45 tomorrow and check it out. I'm surprised it even booted. I use HWInfo.
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Munkeymon posted:The beatings will continue until stability improves lmao
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8-bit Miniboss posted:I use HWInfo. Ah cool. Tdie matches Ryzen master and looks good. TY!
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:E - ah, it's not stable. Blue screen, and it's now booting into fail safe mode I guess. gently caress, it boots fast though. Faster then z170 ultra fast boot in normal boot mode. If you've only tried the XMP profile, try disabling XMP, manually setting the Memory Clock to 4000, leaving all of the advanced timing configuration (except procODT and your ram/soc voltage) to auto. Ryzen boards have gotten quite good at finding their own set of stable timings. Like I mentioned previously, CL14 3600 will run faster (by literally a couple nanoseconds, or even several depending on subtimings) than CL16 4000, so you might want to try for that instead. Try setting ProcODT to 80 Ohms (You can go as low as 68 or 60 with an AIO, but try 80 first), and lowering SOC voltage (Try 1.0125 and work upwards) before you increase ram voltage past 1.4v. 1usmus, the guy that wrote the Ryzen Timing Calculator also wrote a great primer on voltage settings and their effect on temperatures/stability: https://www.overclock.net/forum/26472770-post445.html. You totally can just throw 1.5v at the ram and cross your fingers, and it might pass stress tests, but it will totally fuckin crash in the middle of your 20 hour render/gaming session and piss you off. Contrary to what a lot of people are telling you to do, you'll actually want to find the lowest ram voltage it'll cold boot with and then bump it 0.01 above that. Unlike Intel, which can drop memory channels and get into all sorts of extremely wonky states, with Ryzen, if it boots and passes stress tests, you can trust it. Failing that, you'll want to actually use his guide to fill out the calculator correctly so that it can just generate the complete list of subtimings, voltages, RZQ settings, etc.
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Double posting because I saw this in r/AMD and I've been thinking about it and I'm sure one of you can tell me why not:  Where are the triangular chips at?  or, why are they all rectangular when they seem to be made from circles
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While it might result in a few extra (like, maybe 1-10 depending on the size of the die), it would increase complexity of handling since cutters would have to cut in three directions (and waste slightly more from the cut; see pythagoras) AND be able to pick up the triangular die safely and easily. I don't know if they get picked up by grabbers or by vacuum, but if its grabbed, then you'd have to pick it up from all 3 sides. Not to mention changing all of the design libraries since you'd be wasting space in the tips otherwise. You would also have to work with it in sets of two (a complete rectangle) as piecewise tools such as testers rely on each die being exactly the same (not to mention final products!) I'm sure there are some other things I'm missing but this is what I can think of off the top of my head.
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Seems to me like it'd be pretty easy to lose a lot of chips to damage on the narrow tip ends too. Plus those tips are probably difficult to use efficiently, imagine trying to cram furniture in the corner of a triangular room and still having room to path to it.
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Munkeymon posted:The beatings will continue until stability improves
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Don't take this as raining on the parade but even The Stilt did not find that most Ryzen second-gen dies in AM4 would be able to achieve stability with DDR4-3600, to say nothing of DDR4-4000. G.Skill's trick memory demo at Computex earlier this year topped out at 4000 MT/s and unspecified voltage. My own experience with a 2700X and Memtest86+ showed that stability erodes past 3466, even if 3600 RAM will boot. Awesome that it even booted but the mean is back at 3466-ish unless some huge change has happened between the launch and now.
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