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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

kirbysuperstar posted:

I've noticed the battery being blurry like that on my Surface since the last big update. I can't tell if it's only sometimes or if I've stopped noticing it, though :v:

I've never noticed it, but the proof is right there!

I feel like maybe it updates more so it probably gets refreshed instead of melting forever. Dunno why it would do it in the first place when other system icons don't though...

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Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

baka kaba posted:

It's not that, best I can tell (second-hand info about what Nvidia thinks causes it) is that it's a scaling problem. If something doesn't have a high-dpi icon, Windows needs to basically enlarge the normal one, which is fine. But if you have scaling active (this is a 4K laptop at 200%) and you put the machine to sleep and wake it, it generates the icon again by re-scaling the already scaled version. Do that a lot and it gets progressively awful until you get a blurry mess like that

Logging out and back in fixes it, but yeah it's bad. There are still a few scaling issues you'd think they'd have sorted out by now

I've got a similar issue at work on my win7 box (some CAD stuff is holding me back until it's all sorted for our Win10 SOE)

I have 2x 27" 4k screens but poo poo eyesight so I have them both at 150% scaling (I'd do 200% scaling but at any point above 187% explorer's search bar become maximum size and unresizable, crushing the address bar to minimum size so you can't use thebreadcrumbs feature or see where you are). If I then log into, say, a travel laptop at 100% scaling, it'll shrink down the font on the laptop by the ratio of the two. Logging into my desktop then expands my desktop font by the ratio between the two. Successive logging in and out between devices means the 100% zoom one becomes literally 1 pixel high fonts and the 150% zoom one ends up having 4 rows in the start menu and the shutdown button falls off the bottom of the screen.

How does microsoft get this so wrong. Why would DPI scaling features ever want to copy between devices on a domain account?

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

I see the battery icon turning ugly when switching from 125% scaling to no DPI scaling (specific use case: switching from using a laptop display to an external one). For some stupid reason, a lot of the Windows system stuff just breaks when changing DPI settings, despite third-party apps like Chrome handling it just fine. It's really dumb.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Y'know what would be weird? If some programs actually do handle it gracefully, and not just because they only have one size of tray icon.

Unfortunately I'm not at my desk so I can't try it out.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/07/11/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17713/

quote:

Notepad Improvements
With Build 17666, we introduced extended line ending support for Notepad. We’re excited to share that today’s build has a few more surprises in store based on what you’ve been telling us!

* Wrap-around find/replace:
* Text zooming
* Line numbers with word-wrap
* We’ve improved the performance when opening large files in Notepad.
* Notepad now supports Ctrl + Backspace to delete the previous word.
* Arrow keys now correctly unselect text first and then move the cursor.
* When saving a file in Notepad, the line and column number no longer reset to 1.
* Notepad now correctly displays lines that don’t fit entirely on the screen.

....anyone else get this sudden sinking feeling? Like, "this is going to gently caress up my workflow immensely" sinking feeling? Like, "they probably put diagnostic hooks into it that have the unfortunate side effect of acting as a keylogger"?

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing

SwissArmyDruid posted:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/07/11/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17713/


....anyone else get this sudden sinking feeling? Like, "this is going to gently caress up my workflow immensely" sinking feeling? Like, "they probably put diagnostic hooks into it that have the unfortunate side effect of acting as a keylogger"?

No.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

SwissArmyDruid posted:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/07/11/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17713/


....anyone else get this sudden sinking feeling? Like, "this is going to gently caress up my workflow immensely" sinking feeling? Like, "they probably put diagnostic hooks into it that have the unfortunate side effect of acting as a keylogger"?

:350: + :tinfoil:

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

If your serious workflow involves Notepad you probably hosed up

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/07/11/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17713/


....anyone else get this sudden sinking feeling? Like, "this is going to gently caress up my workflow immensely" sinking feeling? Like, "they probably put diagnostic hooks into it that have the unfortunate side effect of acting as a keylogger"?

No.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
I have a lovely 2015 Acer R3 laptop. If I throw in one of my spare SSDs into it and install Win10 from the latest MS image, will it automagically grab the license from some magic onboard ROM? Is that how laptops work these days?

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

I'm liking the Earth Porn lock screens that the spring update's been rotating for me daily.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

baka kaba posted:

If your serious workflow involves Notepad you probably hosed up

Yeah, I don't think I've intentionally opened Notepad since like 2000. If Microsoft quietly removed it, I probably wouldn't even notice.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


I like notepad, I just keep it handy for jotting random work poo poo like initial ideas, stuff that isn't important enough to format properly.

Like.... A notepad.

Housh
Jul 9, 2001




Yeah notepad is pretty handy when you need a notepad despite having Microsoft word. It’s like how I use paint sometimes despite having adobe cs. Maybe be force of habit though.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Shaocaholica posted:

I have a lovely 2015 Acer R3 laptop. If I throw in one of my spare SSDs into it and install Win10 from the latest MS image, will it automagically grab the license from some magic onboard ROM? Is that how laptops work these days?

It usually has a key baked into the UEFI.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
I can't imagine how anyone would look at those notepad changes and be unhappy, since the only one that changes how the program works is "Arrow keys now correctly unselect text first and then move the cursor." Like, if you've somehow built your workflow around that feature you've got brain damage.


I've used metapad as a notepad replacement for years now, highly recommend people check that out if you like notepad for plain text editing (so don't need code highlighting or whatnow). My favorite feature is that it has two font / color settings and a toggle button -- I have #1 as the normal courier black-on-white and #2 is a easy reading non-monospace yellow on dark blue. Also it has a very good find & replace tool.

However it doesn't do non-ansi characters so not great if you ever interact with non-latin-character languages.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!
My main use for notepad is to unformat copied text into plaintext before I paste elsewhere. I do that routinely when copying tables and such because the tab delineation seems to be preserved more often that way and I can then paste it into Excel.

I am sure MS will find a way to gently caress notepad up but I am more worried that they're wasting time improving it when there are much larger fish to fry. Like getting scaling right...seems like they've given up on that dream.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Housh posted:

Yeah notepad is pretty handy when you need a notepad despite having Microsoft word. It’s like how I use paint sometimes despite having adobe cs. Maybe be force of habit though.

Hell I use it, but for like making a quick note or pasting something I need to copy later or whatever, or opening some file I want to glance at. But look at that list of feature updates, for something that does nothing but the most basic text editing and display (and rudimentary find and replace). Wow ctrl+backspace works now! No word on whether ctrl+delete still deletes the rest of the line!

If you're doing anything more than minimal text editing, just use like anything else. For your health! It's nice that they made improvements though

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
Anybody who wants "notepad, but better" is probably already using notepad++ or another equivalent.

Spyde
Mar 3, 2004

It's not personal, it's strictly business.
Yeah I was just looking up some code yesterday to replace notepad with notepad++ on my new windows install. Mostly use it for some basic css/ahk scripting, can't stand the default notepad.

nmfree
Aug 15, 2001

The Greater Goon: Breaking Hearts and Chains since 2006

Klyith posted:

#2 is a easy reading non-monospace yellow on dark blue.
hotdog stand or gtfo

Javid posted:

Anybody who wants "notepad, but better" is probably already using notepad++ or another equivalent.
:agreed:

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
It's great that Microsoft has finally gotten Windows to such a stable, consistent, and useful state that they can start working on trivial poo poo like Notepad, which we all abandoned and replaced for anything serious >10 years ago.

PRIORITIES.

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing

Raldikuk posted:

My main use for notepad is to unformat copied text into plaintext before I paste elsewhere. I do that routinely when copying tables and such because the tab delineation seems to be preserved more often that way and I can then paste it into Excel.

I am sure MS will find a way to gently caress notepad up but I am more worried that they're wasting time improving it when there are much larger fish to fry. Like getting scaling right...seems like they've given up on that dream.

Boy, have I got the app for you.

http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Klyith posted:

I've used metapad as a notepad replacement for years now, highly recommend people check that out if you like notepad for plain text editing (so don't need code highlighting or whatnow). My favorite feature is that it has two font / color settings and a toggle button -- I have #1 as the normal courier black-on-white and #2 is a easy reading non-monospace yellow on dark blue. Also it has a very good find & replace tool.
I like Notepad precisely because it doesn't have any of this frivolity.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:

AlternateAccount posted:

It's great that Microsoft has finally gotten Windows to such a stable, consistent, and useful state that they can start working on trivial poo poo like Notepad, which we all abandoned and replaced for anything serious >10 years ago.

PRIORITIES.

Pretty much this. 90% of what I used notepad for was jotting down small things like URLs and such. The other 10% was composing effortposts or stuff that's gotta go into a webform that times out. For the former I now just dump it in an irc window that my irccloud client is in so it's saved and available on my phone; the latter gets np++. Exactly nobody gives a gently caress about them adding poo poo to notepad.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
I just do all my computing in an emacs buffer as god intended. :bahgawd:

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Ghostlight posted:

I like Notepad precisely because it doesn't have any of this frivolity.

Same. I just make a few .txt files with notes in, zero distraction from anything but "scribble down words / urls / code snippets etc".

Anything I end up using and need to keep I'll format in Word, and code edit in Notepad++.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Avenging Dentist posted:

I just do all my computing in an emacs buffer as god intended. :bahgawd:

I do all my notes in WordStar.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

redeyes posted:

I do all my notes in WordStar.

When will we finally get Windows of Winter, George?

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Lambert posted:

When will we finally get Windows of Winter, George?

Had to google this.. LOL! Crazy fucker.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


For basic note taking, just use OneNote.

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

AlternateAccount posted:

It's great that Microsoft has finally gotten Windows to such a stable, consistent, and useful state that they can start working on trivial poo poo like Notepad, which we all abandoned and replaced for anything serious >10 years ago.

PRIORITIES.

This feels like a painfully obvious thing to say, but since you're not the only person trying to make this point I have to note that Microsoft probably has different teams working on Notepad vs. whatever other features you want out of them.

Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jul 19, 2018

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Eletriarnation posted:

This feels like a painfully obvious thing to say, but since you're not the only person trying to make this point I have to note that Microsoft probably has different teams working on Notepad vs. whatever other features you want out of them.

Yes, but they're making this a real cornerstone of this update. I get what you're saying, but it's bizarre and disconnected that they expect people to give a gently caress. I mean... Wordpad still exists???

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007
College Slice
Is it also painfully obvious that this opinion is voiced in the context that, “No poo poo they’ve got a myriad of teams, so how about having more net effort paid to fundamental stuff, huh?!”?

Yes, yes it is. Ever get a massage where more effort than you’d care gets paid to areas that don’t need it, to the detriment of your sore spots?

It’s like that, but no one thinks we’re standing here unaware that they’ve got multiple hands.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
I dunno, I figure Notepad is where you put the new hires and the interns to acclimate them to Microsoft development processes before handing them off to their "real" teams. Maybe they just had a big hiring spree recently!

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Avenging Dentist posted:

I dunno, I figure Notepad is where you put the new hires and the interns to acclimate them to Microsoft development processes before handing them off to their "real" teams. Maybe they just had a big hiring spree recently!

That's a drat long hiring freeze, then. No wonder they had to eat their QA department.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I like notepad

Occasionally I use it to write lovely batch files and prank my friends.

I'm still stuck in 2003

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

Tapedump posted:

Is it also painfully obvious that this opinion is voiced in the context that, “No poo poo they’ve got a myriad of teams, so how about having more net effort paid to fundamental stuff, huh?!”?

Yes, yes it is. Ever get a massage where more effort than you’d care gets paid to areas that don’t need it, to the detriment of your sore spots?

It’s like that, but no one thinks we’re standing here unaware that they’ve got multiple hands.

You don't know how much effort is being paid to "fundamental stuff" though, you're just assuming that it's not enough and could be increased since you saw Notepad getting features you don't care about. Maybe there's one guy working on Notepad and he just came out with his yearly update, versus ten working on [whatever you want] who already have their hands full trying to bring new engineers up to speed.

AlternateAccount posted:

Yes, but they're making this a real cornerstone of this update. I get what you're saying, but it's bizarre and disconnected that they expect people to give a gently caress. I mean... Wordpad still exists???

Won't argue that it's a funny thing for them to focus on. Notepad is like vi to me, it's just the thing I have to use on a fresh system where I can't install/haven't yet installed Notepad++ (nano).

Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jul 20, 2018

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
Notepad is a very simple program and these are some completely trivial changes / additions. Anybody bitching about time taken away from core OS work is wasting a vastly greater proportion of their own time to complain about it than microsoft spent to do it.


AlternateAccount posted:

Yes, but they're making this a real cornerstone of this update. I get what you're saying, but it's bizarre and disconnected that they expect people to give a gently caress. I mean... Wordpad still exists???

It's the cornerstone of a fast ring insider preview build. They come out about once a week. Here's another one where the "cornerstones" are a swipe gesture keyboard and the Game Bar.

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Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
Anybody having problems downloading KB4345421? Mine is stuck at downloading 0% so I went and got the standalone installer but even that gets stuck on "searching for updates on this computer"

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