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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:I mean, off the top of my head, they aren’t just negative about George, they literally read *every single interaction* he ever has, line by line, as arrogant and passive aggressive & fake (Umineko spoilers below are in rot13 (put them into the box in rot13.com if you're not familiar), since I agree with you about wanting to avoid mistakenly spoiling someone) Regarding George, gur qhaxvat ba Trbetr fghss vf qbar cnegyl gbathr va purrx, naq ng inevbhf cbvagf V guvax gurl rira pbzzrag ba ubj gurl'er njner gurl'er ivrjvat uvz xvaq bs plavpnyyl, ohg tvira ur'f n cerggl penccl crefba vg'f abg rknpgyl n uhtr rknttrengvba. Regarding the unccvarff vfa'g cbffvoyr fghss, gung vfa'g gur cbvag gurl'er znxvat. Gur cbvag gurl'er gelvat gb znxr vf gung vg jnfa'g haernfbanoyr sbe Lnfh/Fnlb gb srry ubcryrff va gurve fvghngvba, naq gurl jrer znxvat gung cbvag va erfcbafr gb n sna-onfr gung serdhragyl ernpgrq nf vs jung Lnfh qvq jnf pbzcyrgryl evqvphybhf naq ure qrfcnve jnf pbzcyrgryl bhg bs cebcbegvba. V'ir nyjnlf gubhtug gung "~gur erny gentrql vf gung Lnfh qvqa'g abgvpr gur bccbeghavgvrf sbe unccvarff~" jnf ernyyl gevgr naq haqrefbyq whfg ubj vzzrafryl greevoyr gurve fvghngvba jnf. Rira vs vg gheaf bhg gung Onggyre jbhyq unir orra bxnl jvgu gurve fvghngvba, vg jbhyq 100% ernfbanoyr sbe gurz gb rkcrpg gung gurve fvghngvba jnf qbbzrq gb snvyher (rfcrpvnyyl va n pbafreingvir snzvyl va 1980f Wncna), naq snvyher va n pnfr yvxr gurvef pna unir rkgerzryl unefu (naq rira sngny, tvira erny-yvsr fvghngvbaf jvgu genaf crbcyr*) pbafrdhraprf. Juvyr gurer'f boivbhfyl n jbeyq orlbaq Ebxxrawvzn, n ovt sbphf vf ba ubj Lnfh'f hcoevatvat eraqrerq gurz vapncnoyr bs ernyyl frrvat gur jbeyq orlbaq Ebxxrawvzn, fb vg vfa'g fgenatr gung gurl'q ernpg jvgu ubeebe ng varivgnoyl ybfvat jung yvggyr gurl unir bapr gur gehgu varivgnoyl pbzrf gb yvtug jvgu Trbetr (be Wrffvpn/Onggyre V thrff, ohg yvxryl Trbetr). Onfvpnyyl, gurer'f n svar yvar orgjrra npxabjyrqtvat gung gurer jnf gur cbffvovyvgl sbe unccvarff gurer juvyr nyfb npxabjyrqtvat gung Lnfh'f gubhtugf naq npgvbaf jrer cerggl ernfbanoyr tvira ure pvephzfgnaprf naq rkcrevraprf. Gur pbagrkg bs sna erfcbafrf vf nyfb na vzcbegnag cvrpr bs gur chmmyr, fvapr (nf zragvbarq) n ybg bs jung gur Tbngf Ernqvat Pngf sbyxf fnvq jnf vaqverpgyl va erfcbafr gb sna erfcbafrf. (Don't interpret this long post as me having some big problem with what you posted; I just like discussing things related to Umineko.) * I know that Lnfh vfa'g arprffnevyl genaf - vagrefrk vf cebonoyl n orggre pbzcnevfba - ohg gur fnzr qnatre nffbpvngrq jvgu n cnegare "qvfpbirevat" gurve fvghngvba fgvyy rkvfgf.
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(All of the following are spoilers that go all the way through the end of Umineko so no peeking if you didn't finish it) I think part of what I'm really responding to there is this post by someone responding to akatokuro and using their analysis as a basis for comments like Naq va gur raq, V unir gb nfx zlfrys: jung tbbq qbrf vg ernyyl qb, gb haqrefgnaq gung fhssrevat, ohg abg gb xabj ubj gb fgbc vg? Vs V pbhyq tb gb Ebxxrawvzn va 1986 naq gnyx gb Lnfh, jung pbhyq V fnl gb ure? “V ernyyl haqrefgnaq ubj lbh srry, V ernyyl frr jul lbh srry ubcryrff naq V qba’g oynzr lbh sbe vg ng nyy, V haqrefgnaq jul lbh srry yvxr gurer’f ab ubcr yrsg sbe lbh, naq ubarfgyl, V nterr gung lbh pna’g or fnirq”? or things like akatokuro saying "naq v trg fb, fb shpxvat shevbhf jvgu uvz rirel gvzr ur “phgryl” cynlf nybat jvgu uvf tveysevraq yvgrenyyl pnyyvat urefrys n fhouhzna bowrpg gung v jnag gb fpernz va uvf snpr" be "ur jnf n crefba jub qryvorengryl shpxvat gjvfgrq gur xavsr va n gjryir lrne byq tvey’f oebxra urneg orpnhfr fur qvqa’g tvir uvz gur nggragvba ur sryg ragvgyrq gb, xabjvat gung fur unq gb cynl nybat jvgu uvz orpnhfr fur unq ab cbjre gb qvfnterr jvgu uvz be rira fubj ubj uheg fur jnf, naq fzvyrq juvyr ur qvq vg. vg’f uneq sbe zr gb bireybbx orpnhfr vg fubjf n pncnpvgl sbe n irel pnyphyngrq pehrygl naq ivaqvpgvirarff naq nohfvat cbjre ntnvafg fbzrbar jub qvqa’g qb nalguvat jebat." jura yvxr, gur svefg vf bhg bs gbgny vtabenapr naq gur frpbaq vf fbzrguvat ur qvq nf n fuvggl grra naljnl V nterr gung vg'f vaperqvoyl haqrefgnaqnoyr sbe Lnfh gb unir sryg gung guvf jnf gur bayl jnl ohg V qba'g nterr jvgu n ybg bs gur cbvagf jurer gurl'er yvxr "guvf guvat evtug urer boivbhfyl znqr ure srry yvxr fur unq gb qvr". vg srryf yvxr n qrrc, qrrc bireernpu vagb ure zbfg crefbany gubhtugf fbzrgvzrf. naq gurl bsgra znxr ure vagb n jrveq jbbovr pnevpngher ng gur fnzr gvzr fbzrubj. naq V qba'g nterr gung gur jbex birenyy fubjf ure nf orvat evtug. bar bs gur gurzrf bs uvthenfuv jnf gung gur unccvarff gung lbh svtug sbe guebhtu oybbq, fjrng, & grnef vf gur bar gung znggref. V guvax pbzzragf yvxr "gurer jnf ab erny ubcr sbe ure" ner vaperqvoyl qnzntvat naq qnatrebhf. fur pbhyqa'g oryvrir va n jnl bhg. ohg znal crbcyr pna'g, jvgubhg fgrccvat vagb gur terngre jbeyq, jvgubhg svaqvat na nyyl. fbzrgvzrf trggvat guebhtu gur qnexarff vf nobhg oryvrivat va fbzrguvat lbh unir ab rivqrapr sbe. V yvxrq jung guvf cbfg unq gb fnl nobhg vg, ortvaavat jvgu "Ohg nsgre univat cebcreyl pbagrkghnyvmrq Lnfh’f fvghngvba, V’ir xvaq bs pbzr gb gur pbapyhfvba gung vg’f npghnyyl fnlvat pbzcyrgr bccbfvgr. Naq va n jnl gung V sbhaq n yvggyr urnegjnezvat. " uggc://ehevanqrfcnvef.ghzoye.pbz/cbfg/83825129286/bxnl-v-guvax-vgf-gvzr-sbe-nabgure-ubeevoyr
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I think Umienko’s opening has been more interesting than, say, Stein;Gate’s. But SG also has a somewhat truly insufferable main character at the beginning so that doesn’t help. Oh definitely. I actually went through umineko relatively well but find myself unable to get even 70% of the people I recommended it to to pass the first 2h. Some people will but I bet it loses a lot of people.
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Meallan posted:Oh definitely. I actually went through umineko relatively well but find myself unable to get even 70% of the people I recommended it to to pass the first 2h. Some people will but I bet it loses a lot of people. the boat is just so insufferable the first couple hours needed an editor so badly i did like how all of that got reduced to approximately 18 seconds in the anime.
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:i did like how all of that got reduced to approximately 18 seconds in the anime. unironically, this is one of the worst things the anime did
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dmboogie posted:unironically, this is one of the worst things the anime did i thought it served as a good example of just how condensed it is and how much you're missing out on by just watching!
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:i thought it served as a good example of just how condensed it is and how much you're missing out on by just watching! Fair, I misread your intention! 
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Sorry to break up the conversation with my post, but I just got done with Fata Morgana. That was a really good and heart breaking VN to go through.  I don't want this to get all E/N so I just want to say a couple of things in spoilers: Why did they find it necessary to make Jacopo so much older than Morgana was in his flashback? That seemed really unneeded and creepy. Also, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the idea of the three men having their story told and them being given explanations for what they did and how they got there. I didn't mind it while going through it but it just bothers me a bit, but the point was probably less that everyone has a reason for doing bad things and more than Morgana just needed to let go of her seething hatred and anger.Is the second Fata Morgana game worth picking up? Ryuga Death fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Ryuga Death posted:Is the second Fata Morgana game worth picking up?
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I finished the first door in Fata Morgana. The game hasn't really grabbed me yet though the presentation and music are great. I haven't read any of the other spoilers and don't know much outside of the trigger warning in the first post of the LP on this forum. I really expected white haired girl to be a vampire, I'm guessing that was supposed to fool the reader so the actual twists (revenge, half sister) would be a surprise. Right now I don't care too much about the first door's cast, I just want to keep reading to find out what's up with the ageless maid and who You the Master turn out to be. I'll see this weekend how door 2 plays out. Some of the creepy childlike music reminds me of the game The Path.
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bagrada posted:I finished the first door in Fata Morgana. The game hasn't really grabbed me yet though the presentation and music are great. I haven't read any of the other spoilers and don't know much outside of the trigger warning in the first post of the LP on this forum. I really expected white haired girl to be a vampire, I'm guessing that was supposed to fool the reader so the actual twists (revenge, half sister) would be a surprise. Right now I don't care too much about the first door's cast, I just want to keep reading to find out what's up with the ageless maid and who You the Master turn out to be. I'll see this weekend how door 2 plays out. Some of the creepy childlike music reminds me of the game The Path. Nate RFB posted:Door 1 is probably the low point of FM, to be honest. Like it definitely sets up a lot of important plot threads that are used later but compared to the rest is is absolutely not a banger.
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Can I just give a massive shoutout to the thread for being really good about spoilers overall? I thought the rot13 thing might have been overkill and then of course immediately fatfingered a big spoiler block when I was scrolling and was instantly thankful for it.
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Jul 20, 2018 18:12
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I too recently finished FM and for me the incredible sticking point was that all the songs are sung in a real language and that language is PORTUGUESE OF ALL THINGS.
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The otome game XSEED is translating seems pretty interesting. Notably, the protagonist is voiced and seems to be fairly assertive and like verbally sparring with the boys, so if that's a complaint you had about other otome games, well.
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Jul 20, 2018 23:07
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I hope you can date Miss Marple's cousin, Sara Marple, and talk about how much a jerk that Poirot guy is.
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SealHammer posted:I too recently finished FM and for me the incredible sticking point was that all the songs are sung in a real language and that language is PORTUGUESE OF ALL THINGS. I'm Portuguese and I didn't notice until the end of the chapter where I actually recognised "e a história continua" and went to search for it. Blew my mind I had been listening to pt for hours and didn't get it haha
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The second Fata Morgana is definitely worth your time. The main story is split into two parts, and while the first part drags a bit the second part is really strong. Plus all the side stores are really good, too.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I’ve liked the beginning of Umineko quite a bit. I almost wish there was no Real Magic stuff in it but it’s inevitable at this point. Dunno what you mean, there's no magic in Umineko. All those crimes were committed by human acts alone.
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Jul 21, 2018 18:52
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You guys are going to make me replay umineko and that will set back my backlog for 3 years.
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Endorph posted:The otome game XSEED is translating seems pretty interesting. Notably, the protagonist is voiced and seems to be fairly assertive and like verbally sparring with the boys, so if that's a complaint you had about other otome games, well. I have hope. At least the MC has a VA which means I won't take a nap halfway through the game. Long live vita.
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Jul 21, 2018 20:06
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Hmm---PC or Vita? I'm conflicted.
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Meallan posted:You guys are going to make me replay umineko and that will set back my backlog for 3 years. I need the Steam Link app back on iOS so I can keep reading Umineko in bed. Getting super hooked on it hasn't affected my 'gaming' time much at all because it's just eating into my reading time instead. Umineko Ep. 3: Can I ask a weird question kind of about...I don't know, how I should be reading Umineko? And by all means if the answer is "keep reading, the answer is a spoiler," - that is a totally valid answer and would be appreciated. Q:...At what value should I be taking the asides between Battler and Beatrice (and at this point, Ronove or Ronoke or whoever that badass snarky cookie man is)? 'Cuz it really seems like the fact that the 'game' is happening how Battler (and the reader) see it sort of makes the denial of the witch that you're debating this whole time a moot point entirely. Especially with the red text - Battler even calls it out as a power of a witch, while trying to use it to deny witches.... Again, if I'm just getting ahead of myself, let me know, it's just....kind of a lens to view things through and it would be nice if I wasn't overthinking things on MULTIPLE fronts.
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I'm very interested in the London detective mysteria; pls don't be lying about the protagonist being quick witted and observant interview. (In CollarxMalice the protag was actually sort of observant too but she never voiced her opinions/conclusions/snappy come backs and the game suffered tremendously) Also voiced protagonists should become the standard it's 2018.
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food court bailiff posted:Umineko Ep. 3: That's a pretty tricky question and I don't think there's a good way to answer it without spoiling anything. Just know that the game does a pretty good job of addressing most questions, though the answers may not always be crystal clear (by design). To be slightly spoilery: When I was reading Umineko, I was already viewing the story as taking place in two different planes of existence at the point you're at. The "real" world and the meta world. And you're better off not thinking too deeply about the discrepancies between these worlds until the game starts going into more detail about them. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Alder posted:Hmm---PC or Vita? I'm conflicted. I can't play vns on a monitor
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Sakurazuka posted:I can't play vns on a monitor Get a remote desktop app and read on a tablet then, for the ultimate experience. Vita's too small.
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Just wait for 2 years when all VNs will be ported to the switch
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Meallan posted:I'm very interested in the London detective mysteria; pls don't be lying about the protagonist being quick witted and observant interview. (In CollarxMalice the protag was actually sort of observant too but she never voiced her opinions/conclusions/snappy come backs and the game suffered tremendously) I wish  It's the same replies when I mention that faceless MC is bad and ppl are like BUT IMHO faceless is good. Still on the fence, if I want a switch SOMEDAY just for VNs or give up.
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I mean I'm biased as hell but the switch is really great and will probably have all of the vita market in a few years. Also yeah, who the hell likes faceless protags. I really don't get the point of self insert protagonists in games where you're not choosing EVERY dialogue option like rpgs. It's not like people can self insert either way if the dialogue is made for you , the resulting protagonist still has a personality but it will just be: stupid, naive, submissive, no hobbies. And no one can possibly be all that.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Get a remote desktop app and read on a tablet then, for the ultimate experience. Vita's too small. Vita's fine
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Meallan posted:I'm very interested in the London detective mysteria; pls don't be lying about the protagonist being quick witted and observant interview  ($$$ is the protag, since she's renameable) (also this isnt a spoiler this is from the first ten minutes of the game, pendleton is just the protag's butler)
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Jul 22, 2018 02:12
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Surely it should be £££.
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food court bailiff posted:I need the Steam Link app back on iOS so I can keep reading Umineko in bed. Getting super hooked on it hasn't affected my 'gaming' time much at all because it's just eating into my reading time instead. Get a program called moonlight if you have an nVidia card
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Checked in with the 07th patches crew assuming that they'd have a Tsumihoroboshi patch, and not only do they seem to be done with that (minus their usual minor? updates to the Steam sprites) but they've collected all of their Umineko and Higurashi patches into a single updater: Even adds in what I assume is the PS3 OP for the route in question, though it's kind of weird in that it has a bunch of characters from the console-specific side routes.
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Jul 22, 2018 23:30
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I've finally got the time to work through the Umineko answer arcs, just finished the Ch7 tea party. I love that even after it seems like everything is coming together and winding down, the ride still keeps getting crazier.
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Finished Episode 1 of Umineko. I already barely knew anything about the story, but what little I did know concluded in there. I really have no idea where the story could go, and I REALLY don’t know how it can go on for 7 more episodes.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:03
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Cake Attack posted:now do the tea party So I did and it was very cool. I'm glad to see Battler still believes all this hocus pocus stuff is fake parlor tricks. Like Phoenix Wright meets Mr. Satan, he is very inspiring and so I too shall not give up hope that there is No Real Magic.
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