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blarzgh posted:So this is what I mean: "False Flag" is what those loving morons call the notion of actors playing dead children at Sandy Hook - you very casually abandoned the simile I used in favor of inflammatory horseshit rhetoric. This is the slow creep of the death of discourse. I like how you slip the PATRIOT Act poo poo in there as though it's at all relevant. It's as devoid of any sort of application to the present discussion on the appropriate boundaries for speech as your spurious "simile" relating the regulation of speech to the Bush Administration's construction of a false premise for war. I've got news for you: free speech has never been absolute. There is no "gate." The line is drawn and redrawn all the time at the whims of whoever happens to be in power. Recall, again, that the government had no problem effectively banning Communism during the red scare. Actual discourse is no safer from government interference today than it would be if there were a law and an associated scotus decision specifically outlawing racial supremacist organizations.
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Soothing Vapors posted:what kind of hosed up world are we living in where people are apologizing to a jackboot for calling her racist I am so glad you are back.
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Anyway, I wanna hear what GET MONEY thinks about all this.
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Vox Nihili posted:Anyway, I wanna hear what GET MONEY thinks about all this. He's for whatever pays 7 figures.
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Soothing Vapors posted:what kind of hosed up world are we living in where people are apologizing to a jackboot for calling her racist Woo hell yeah
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Vox Nihili posted:Anyway, I wanna hear what GET MONEY thinks about all this. I'll bet he loves to argue!
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I'm going to see American Idiot the musical tonight for the second time here in town because my friend is playing St. Jimmy. It's ok. Definitely a musical even if all of the music is Green Day stuff. Also I really like that this thread has been busy lately.
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Soothing Vapors posted:what kind of hosed up world are we living in where people are apologizing to a jackboot for calling her racist You’re just butthurt that you got internet dumped for Yuns. Enjoy the elf sex.
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blarzgh posted:I'll bet he loves to argue! It's too bad his arguments won't be taken seriously until he becomes a practicing attorney with a degree from a top 16 American law school.
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To be honest, I hate charging things as hate crimes. It adds an extra element I have to prove beyond reasonable doubt and one more thing some jackass who slips by voir dire by giving the “right” answers can hang the jury on. And it ruins my great instruction about how I don’t need to prove motive. I’d rather put all that evidence in and argue it as aggravating factors at sentencing.
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ActusRhesus posted:To be honest, I hate charging things as hate crimes. It adds an extra element I have to prove beyond reasonable doubt and one more thing some jackass who slips by voir dire by giving the “right” answers can hang the jury on. And it ruins my great instruction about how I don’t need to prove motive. I’d rather put all that evidence in and argue it as aggravating factors at sentencing. Have you convicted anyone on hate crime charges?
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Vox Nihili posted:Have you convicted anyone on hate crime charges? I’ve kept someone in prison for a very long time for “killing that friend of the family” (his words). Was not charged as a hate crime. He still looked like a racist gently caress. Still got 60 years. Wasn’t charged as a hate crime. Straight murder.
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I'm more amused when people try to user twitter logic in this thread and get eviscerated for it than I am by people going to bad law schools. There I said it.blarzgh posted:If the left abandons civil rights in favor of social expedience, you really think the right is gonna grab the mantle on that one? Hah, gently caress no. Sure they will. The very moment enough socialists are in office that the government starts going after the wealthy. Vox Nihili posted:I like how you slip the PATRIOT Act poo poo in there as though it's at all relevant. It's as devoid of any sort of application to the present discussion on the appropriate boundaries for speech as your spurious "simile" relating the regulation of speech to the Bush Administration's construction of a false premise for war. Just to be clear here, you're saying McCarthyism was okay once before so let's do it again just to Nazis this time?
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SlothBear posted:Just to be clear here, you're saying McCarthyism was okay once before so There's only a certain amount of disingenuousness I can handle. If you edit your post to present within what I'm capable of processing, I will respond. This is a personal failing of mine, and I apologise for being unable to reply at this point.
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It's really funny that everyone here should realize the futility of arguing without an authority to declare the winner I nominate myself as said authority and am taking applications for clerk . GET MONEY and all other sneaky Canadians will not be considered
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What exactly are you advocating for? A federal law that says, "it shall be a crime to say ____________?" Or "It shall be a crime to assemble, with 2 or more persons for the purposes of ____________"? I mean, pick anything that doesn't punish "thought" as a crime and ask if it accomplishes a goal that current criminal law doesn't already prohibit. I think the point is well made that people fought back against McCarthyism because it was such a cancer to democracy, and it was very much a tool for controlling political narrative and squelching dissent, much like the way "Yeah, but Nazis!" is/has the potential to be. See, Sullah's Proscription
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mastershakeman posted:It's really funny that everyone here should realize the futility of arguing without an authority to declare the winner Sounds just like what a NAZI would say
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blarzgh posted:Sounds just like what a NAZI would say Please , it's called strasserism
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I am backstage at Company right now. Pretty sure my legal arch nemesis is in the audience. Seriously freaking me out.
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Vox Nihili posted:There's only a certain amount of disingenuousness I can handle. If you edit your post to present within what I'm capable of processing, I will respond. This is a personal failing of mine, and I apologise for being unable to reply at this point. Amateur.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:This poo poo sucks Yeah I'm sorry for my part in this
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I think Nazi's and National Socialism should not be protected under the 1st Amendment. That's the red line. No other groups or views. We just stop there. Or in the alternative, allow a self defense argument for assualt against a national socialist.
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blarzgh posted:What exactly are you advocating for? A federal law that says, "it shall be a crime to say ____________?" Or "It shall be a crime to assemble, with 2 or more persons for the purposes of ____________"? I mean, pick anything that doesn't punish "thought" as a crime and ask if it accomplishes a goal that current criminal law doesn't already prohibit. I'm gonna pass on writing an entire manifesto since this conversation is dragging down the thread. But I'm completely fine with what Germany does. They have both specific anti-Nazi laws and also a broader set of rules that essentially makes it illegal to incite hatred, to provoke violence, or to insult, ridicule or defame "parts of the population" in a manner apt to breach the peace. Basically, in the same way that we don't allow people to shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre, they don't allow people to shout "the X race are cockroaches!" at a demonstration. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/16/16152088/nazi-swastikas-germany-charlottesville Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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We should do it like country x is only a valid argument if country x affords the same individual rights as the us constitution. Just like the us shouldn’t say “you should be more like ‘murica”
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ActusRhesus posted:We should do it like country x is only a valid argument if country x affords the same individual rights as the us constitution. Just like the us shouldn’t say “you should be more like ‘murica” What if they actually afford more individual rights in total, but just not the specific, v. special American rights to carry around a gun or call someone the n-word in public?
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Discendo Vox posted:We should have a wide variety of sausages for every occasion, like Germany. Hell. Yes. Vox Nihili posted:What if they actually afford more individual rights in total, but just not the specific, v. special American rights to carry around a gun or call someone the n-word in public? Europhilia is disgusting and it's important to remember to the "old world" doesn't have birthright citizenship and is despicable Also all of Europe is going to go way more right wing than here within a generation since they don't have a clue how to deal with real multiculturalism. It's not even worth comparing to here. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Hoshi posted:Yeah I'm sorry for my part in this I liked your poo poo you shouldn't have backed down Also genocide is so wrong that even speaking about approvingly is a moral wrong and should be banned but I did NOT trust the state to do that. I'm concluding America is a large of contrasts and I'm going full Dwyer on Monday at noon. Court tv asked to film our trial Hot Dog Day #91 fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Gonna do it during opening statements
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I liked your poo poo you shouldn't have backed down Thanks, this just isn't the place for it. I agree w your take but I already deleted it whoops
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Pook Good Mook posted:It's even dumber than this. It was a document that Trump's team drafted of what they THOUGHT Mueller would ask about, based on their conversations with the investigative team. The news media figured it out in a few hours when the outline was completely barebones and then Trump's people copped to it when they asked them if they were the ones who wrote it. Trump side leak. Called it. https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1020490654986752001 
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RU DY RU DY RU DY
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Destination aahh yeah, Rudy Rudy Rudy so dumb
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I mean, it's pretty clear that Trump has always used the legal system as a bludgeon. It's kind of one of his shticks. He realizes that all the petty rules don't apply if you never are actually going to go to a trial.
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However. While we can all agree that team trump is packed with narcissistic assholes who don’t know when to shut the gently caress up, that does still leave the problem of FBI raiding and seizing privileged materials.
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Also, interesting how the shadow of fascism always looms over America, yet it only seems to land in Europe.
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