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mastershakeman posted:If there's a special master what's the reason to ever have a setup for prosecutors from the same agency look at potentially privileged docs? I don't understand why the judge would do that. Special masters cost $700/hour.
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nm posted:Special masters cost $700/hour. So?
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Jul 21, 2018 17:04
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Probably paid for by the court. DAs are free.
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mastershakeman posted:If there's a special master what's the reason to ever have a setup for prosecutors from the same agency look at potentially privileged docs? I don't understand why the judge would do that. Exactly. Also special master is a stupid term.
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Jul 21, 2018 17:06
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no special gods, no special masters
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Jul 21, 2018 17:15
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What he said.
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ActusRhesus posted:Yesterday: prosecutors are all jackboot unethical thugs who only care about convictions at any cost. Are you just now realizing this is how America works? Rights are very important until they're someone else's, then gently caress why do we give these commies/nazis/criminals/racial slurs/person I just don't like more freedom than THE REAL VICTIMS HERE.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Well luckily Trump did nothing wrong. The early morning is the best time tho, it’s p clear from the daily schedules everyone posted it’s not like the lawyer’s actually gonna start working until 11.
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yronic heroism posted:The early morning is the best time tho, it’s p clear from the daily schedules everyone posted it’s not like the lawyer’s actually gonna start working until 11. I am fundamentally confused as to whether Rudy ever was actually a good lawyer and how he got the gig as the SDNY USA.
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Jul 21, 2018 17:46
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ActusRhesus posted:NYT reports a number of the documents related to completely different clients. And I imagine what they were looking for would be laid out in the warrant. Michael Cohen had 3 clients - Trump, the RNC guy that's the fallguy for Trump's porn star abortion payout, and Sean Hannity. He had no other clients. Further, both Trump and Hannity have disclaimed that Cohen did not really represent them in any significant way. Cohen was an attorney in name only. He was planning on destroying poo poo right before he got raided. This isn't like they kicked a law firm's doors open and took everything. This is them raiding a businessman's office that happened to provide trivial representation to two people.
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I’m so concerned about the criminal who uses his bar license to shield other criminals. Truly important rights at stake, the loss of which will make us all slaves.
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Jul 21, 2018 17:58
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The criminal justice system is abysmal and all people who participate it in are traitors and evil. Sending anyone to the jails we operate, with the systemic racism that the entire system entails, is a moral wrong. Yeah we have to do something with rapists and murderers in the mean time, but our system is unimaginably cruel. There. I go hard.
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nm posted:Probably paid for by the court. DAs are free. It’s split half between the DOJ and half between Cohen, Trump, and the Trump Org mastershakeman posted:Why does that matter? Public funds for either da or special master and at federal level that's a drop in the bucket He’s on hook for 1/3 of $350 an hour, so like $116 an hour, and the other two is a multi billionaire and a multi billion dollar organization Iirc reports are he is now broke because trump has hanged him out to dry, but the argument that Cohen has to spend too much of his own money to defend himself after decades of shady dealings doesn’t seem like a strong argument given the American justice System Apparently I edited instead of replying to that last thing EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Jul 21, 2018 18:19
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nm posted:Special masters cost $700/hour. I'm only $100 per session and I supply all the lube??
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Jul 21, 2018 18:43
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nm posted:Probably paid for by the court. DAs are free. Why does that matter? Public funds for either da or special master and at federal level that's a drop in the bucket Alternatively hire some doc review guys for 25/hr if cost somehow matters. I can see it being an issue if the point is to bleed the defendant dry by making him pay for half the special master cost but he agreed to the 700/hr so what's the big deal
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Pook Good Mook posted:I am fundamentally confused as to whether Rudy ever was actually a good lawyer and how he got the gig as the SDNY USA. Reading his bio implies he was self made, too. It really shows how age renders people incompetent
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^^^^^ I have known some truly excellent trial attorneys who are terrible at basically every aspect of knowing the law. They just know people and have memorized most of the objections and have some canned in-lims or have other people do them. mastershakeman posted:Why does that matter? Public funds for either da or special master and at federal level that's a drop in the bucket Judges care about weird things like this. I've had so many whine about how much *something* is going to cost the court. None of this has been a defense of the practice, you asked why, and cost is almost certainly the cited reason. nm fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Look Sir Droids posted:It was to change the headlines away from Trump being Putin’s rentboy. It was because Cohen had already leaked it to the NYT.
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ActusRhesus posted:Also... “you appreciate the attempt”? Aren’t you darling. If you’re going to be a condescending douche at least go all in. Well I am more interested in bringing the slapfight to a close than "winning" at this point.
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Vox Nihili posted:Well I am more interested in bringing the slapfight to a close than "winning" at this point. And yet you keep talking...
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ActusRhesus posted:And yet you keep talking... Well I'm not going to let YOU win, Christ.
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Vox Nihili posted:Well I am more interested in bringing the slapfight to a close than "winning" at this point. drat your moods change fast.
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Discendo Vox posted:Say what you will about garbage argumentative lawthread slapfight based on facts not in evidence, at least it's an ethos. Ethos-cum-pathos
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Look I'm gonna be honest I didn't read most of this poo poo but watching trump and Cohen squirm is funny, but also you should NEVER trust the government with their monopoly over violence and incarceration. Cum
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Discendo Vox posted:Say what you will about garbage argumentative lawthread slapfight based on facts not in evidence, at least it's an ethos. Pearls unto swine.
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I think in all this slap fight we’ve lost sight of the real failure here. I pulled up some of Ms. Daniels’s work. Thoroughly uninspired. If you’re going to blow up your political career for banging porn stars, at least find one who will do all the hosed up poo poo you can’t ask your wife to do.
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In the case of Trump, hosed up poo poo you can’t get your wife to do probably includes PIV sex in the missionary position with the light off, and can you blame her? Also I see to have killed the legal mega-o-wamma thread and for this I apologize.
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ActusRhesus posted:I think in all this slap fight we’ve lost sight of the real failure here. The fact that Trump paid for sex with the least desirable of pretty much everyone in vixen/wickeds history is extremely funny and is perfect for a guy who just wants to say he banged a porn star and doesn't actually care which one
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Average looks and fake tits really impress the MAGA hats though. That’s what they aspire to; two pump chumping a pedestrian stripper.
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FrozenVent posted:In the case of Trump, hosed up poo poo you can’t get your wife to do probably includes PIV sex in the missionary position with the light off, and can you blame her? Just close your eyes and think of Slovenia It will be over... very...soon.
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How do you guys handle getting death threats? Not in the "I'm scared" sense, because they're all bluffs and I'm no stranger to suicidal thoughts anyway, but do you frame em? Save em in a desk drawer? Try to figure out who sent em?
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Unamuno posted:How do you guys handle getting death threats? Not in the "I'm scared" sense, because they're all bluffs and I'm no stranger to suicidal thoughts anyway, but do you frame em? Save em in a desk drawer? Try to figure out who sent em? I ignore 'em. Just ignore the Mexican Mafia and they'll go away that's what I always say.
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Unamuno posted:How do you guys handle getting death threats? Not in the "I'm scared" sense, because they're all bluffs and I'm no stranger to suicidal thoughts anyway, but do you frame em? Save em in a desk drawer? Try to figure out who sent em? Depends on who sent it. If it's my client, I'd have to consider whether I should keep working for them. In this hypothetical are they paying?
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This week's situation: My client insists her husband is cheating on her with another woman. Insists on it. I bring up this concern with OC. He says there's no other woman. My client goes "I got a picture of her from one of his friends" and shows it to me three days later. The other woman? Also my client. I call OC, tell him I'm probably out due to a conflict. Client 1 and Client 2 both beg me to remain as lawyer and even say they'll sign conflict waivers. I think I need to get out from Client 1 because the same loving judge is hearing both cases. He says, "Found out about Kim, huh?" Fucker. He knew the whole time. That whole situation is hosed up. Client 1 (wife) is friends with client 2 (friend) who is friends with client 3 (girlfriend). Client 2's husband cheated on her with Client 4. Client 5 is Client 1's mom. So out of 7 people, I've represented 5 of them. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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So I’m sharing my law school / career experience since it may be of some use to poor deluded aspirants ITT. I’m from a UK background but had a buddy from Baltimore who followed same route very successfully. 1. At undergrad, read [useful non-law thing that partners won’t understand well]. In my case it was Chinese. For my buddy was economics. [Optional - 2. Develop useful contacts (I was FWB with the best friend of a magic circle law firm’s secretary and stayed friends with the secretary)] 3. Apply for UK law school, for which law firms typically sponsor you. 4. Once you get your law school offer, apply to law firms in UK [NB, some US firms offer TCs too] for a training contract + sponsorship. When applying lean heavily on what your useful non-law thing does. These days it could be machine learning or data science or sth. If you developed useful contacts, use them here. In my case secretary buddy put my CV in her boss’s in-tray and he called me in for an interview at 5pm same day; I had other offers but ended up going there as it was a quality league up from them (top 5 versus top 20). 5. Go to UK law school, where so long as you come in with a sponsorship and guaranteed TC place it doesn’t matter how well you perform. If you don’t have these things, don’t bother and don’t get into debt. gently caress around for 1 year if you have a qualifying law degree, 2 years otherwise. 6. Be a trainee for 2 years on like $60k. This sucks. OTOH you have no / minimal student debt. 7. Leave your English firm and qualify into a US law firm wherever at NYC rates or nearest equivalent. Use your interesting non-law undergrad as the bait. 8. After a couple of years in NYC or London as BigLaw associate move to somewhere with low taxes. I recommend Hong Kong or Dubai. Do this for as long as you can handle without severe mental trauma. 9. After all your friends have left you and your soul is crushed, go in house or quit law for something more interesting. If you did the above properly, by early 30s you’ll own a property outright somewhere, be married with maybe kids, have a mild alcohol abuse habit, and have a non-law job that actually interests you. You won’t be on the partner track in short term, but if you really want to you can by this point leverage industry experience to get back in at at least counsel level as people will correctly assume you can bring a book of business with you.
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Yuns posted:NYC biglaw partner so basically I'm already behind my peers since I haven't had a failed marriage yet A propos this, Freshfields HK corporate group was for a long time rumoured to have a partner divorce rate that was north of 100%.
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