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If only there was some way to use a computer to get a ballpark for what might be the going rate for a photographer hire. Or community colleges that offer classes on how to run a business.
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ExecuDork posted:That, and the cultural taboo against talking about money with actual numbers. Another flaw with this whole situation is that so many people (thanks iPhone IG influencers  ) expect photography to be free, or nearly free / for exposure, so even throwing out what they think is too high will immediately "lose" them as a client. But this is opening up a whole other can of worms.
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"So, about how much do you charge for a day-long product shot?"
"Oh, I charge the going rate, pretty close to the average. I think it's fair and my clients do, too"
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I've been quite fortunate in that everyone I've ever dealt with expected to be charged up front. I've even had people give me tips unasked for.
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rio posted:I had this issue and it kept me from pursuing the business. I am primarily a musician so adding freelance photography was not a stretch in terms of the business side of things but even though musicians deal with playing for free, for exposure etc. I wasn’t prepared for how much people devalue photography. Actual paying gigs did come up but I got tired of dealing with so many people being surprised or insulted by realistic price quotes. It probably doesn’t help that portraiture was what I was most into and the area is flooded with moms who got expensive cameras and therefore were now “professionals”, taking technically flawed poo poo photos but parents eating up anything with their kids face in the blown out crooked frames and paying 30 bucks for the hour sessions. That sucks! It's why I never really put all my efforts into being a fulltime photographer, that and I still think I suck but issues aside... lots of creative industries have been hit by this professionally. As a video editor who's worked in a variety of different places, I've seen it happen to most of the creatives I've worked for. Over the past 10 years everything has dropped in value but requirements for skills and the number of things done for that lesser value have increased 10 fold. You can't just be one thing, you've gotta be all the things, and exceptional at each or you're not looked at seriously. Anyhow, back in 2008 or 9 the place I was working tried to launch a series where the concept was to produce a music video for under $100, which included EVERYTHING... except, you guessed it... the talent. None of the actual people doing things got paid, the cheap joke of a budget (yeah it was a concept that failed) was for props, rentals, and stuff like that. Everybody worked for free, or a slice of pizza and a bottle of water. Except the fulltime producers working on it. I guess some bands got a free video out of it, so there was some "exposure" going on at least. Oh well, this is straying a bit far so I'll cut myself off. Now how about that Alan Bromley guy? Almost feel bad making jokes because he's in his 50s or 60s? I guess he doesn't get the internet aspect of it, but little does he know he's devaluing the whole industry, like those moms with the latest Canikon and nifty fifty with a "pro" facebook photography page.
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Not knowing sweet fuckall about the business aspect of photography, I’m curious to hear if the animosity towards dirt-cheap session photographers is extended to amateurs that sell a few prints of their own stuff on the side. The two markets are pretty different, so maybe not?
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President Beep posted:Not knowing sweet fuckall about the business aspect of photography, I’m curious to hear if the animosity towards dirt-cheap session photographers is extended to amateurs that sell a few prints of their own stuff on the side. The two markets are pretty different, so maybe not?
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WELCOME TO THE NOTABLY NORTHBRIDGE BAD PHOTOJOURNALISM CLUB! WE GOT
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Really wanted that exclusive photo of a trailer crashed into a pole, but couldn't take two seconds to step in front of the tree photobombing the shot.
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xzzy posted:Really wanted that exclusive photo of a trailer crashed into a pole, but couldn't take two seconds to step in front of the tree photobombing the shot. Uh, duh - he is framing the subject and providing context!
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indyrenegade posted:WELCOME TO THE NOTABLY NORTHBRIDGE BAD PHOTOJOURNALISM CLUB! That wax seal... 
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Another missive from the baron: a supply wagon has become unbridled and fallen by the wayside!
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This picture was #1 on r/EarthPorn - https://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/8zfe6v/sky_inferno_war_memorial_park_coventry_uk/ If only someone had told me the key to internet success is turning saturation to +100 and a horizon line going at a 20-degree slope. Thom12255 fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Thom12255 posted:This picture was #1 on r/EarthPorn - https://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/8zfe6v/sky_inferno_war_memorial_park_coventry_uk/ It’s hard to be sure but I think it’s a hill and not a tilted frame given the direction of the trees. The processing is poo poo though.
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Only the best from a reddit community called “earth porn”.
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I, for one, am shocked that there is subpar content on Reddit.
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That subreddit is nothing but a dumping ground for farming instagram followers anyways. So everything that's wrong with instagram shows up there too. The rest of it is random lovely snapshots someone hipfired with their phone. I do browse it for destinations to try out myself though. Sometimes you see a bad photo of a good spot and want to file it away.
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rio posted:I, for one, am shocked that there is subpar content on Reddit.
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Thom12255 posted:This picture was #1 on r/EarthPorn - https://www.reddit.com/r/EarthPorn/comments/8zfe6v/sky_inferno_war_memorial_park_coventry_uk/ No you see it's a war memorial park. That's why the sky is red. It's not Photoshop; Ares is literally lording over the place and that's just what it looks like when he does that. Otherwise, how would anyone know that it's a war memorial? It's just a bunch of trees.
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ExecuDork posted:It's not so bad Why did he put her cup size in the picture name Why, why does that matter? The guy from page 18 wised up a little: https://mobile.twitter.com/chrismohindroo/status/1018651583616376832 got any sevens fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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got any sevens posted:Why did he put her cup size in the picture name You know drat well why
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got any sevens posted:The guy from page 18 wised up a little: Not really... https://twitter.com/chrismohindroo/status/1019372165110616064
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Thinking big. Kid'll go far (up his own butt).
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I mentioned this back on page 18, but it's pretty clear now that this dude's got some sort of developmental disability or is on the autism spectrum. It starts feeling bad to make fun of someone for not realizing they're obsessing over unimportant details, or completely misunderstanding what the practical problems are with their ideas when you realize it's not because they're overconfident assholes or egotists, but instead because they legitimately aren't equipped to understand it.
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dakana posted:I mentioned this back on page 18, but it's pretty clear now that this dude's got some sort of developmental disability or is on the autism spectrum. It starts feeling bad to make fun of someone for not realizing they're obsessing over unimportant details, or completely misunderstanding what the practical problems are with their ideas when you realize it's not because they're overconfident assholes or egotists, but instead because they legitimately aren't equipped to understand it.
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This dude - https://www.flickr.com/photos/inelly1 - just faved a 6 year old photo of mine. He takes creep shots, and his faves are full of creep shots. He probably faved my photo cause it could look like a creep shot I guess? (it's not)  She's video taping the creep that is taking photos of her, unlikely because of anything else.
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I joined an amateur Australian photography group and every time this guy posts I fly into a rage.    This guy too 
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Megabound posted:I joined an amateur Australian photography group and every time this guy posts I fly into a rage.
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bobmarleysghost posted:He takes creep shots, and his faves are full of creep shots. He probably faved my photo cause it could look like a creep shot I guess? (it's not) Lol, so the husband is clearly shooing this dude off right? 
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Uptime Sinclair posted:Selective color on only one eye is some next level trolling. “One of my very best works”.
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Megabound posted:I joined an amateur Australian photography group and every time this guy posts I fly into a rage.
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Jul 22, 2018 21:08
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Join me on this terrible and confusing adventure. http://www.winkandblinkphotography.com.au/Wink_and_Blink_Photography/Portraiture/Portraiture.html   The deeper I go, the worse it gets.
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This is legit the best use of selective coloring I've ever seen
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Getting ideas for this month’s contest...
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The purple one is best because you can tell the exact point he realized he was in over his head and didn't want to get the brush too close to her knee. Fixing it would require finding a tutorial on how to undo.
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