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OldAlias: Nov 2, 2013

I got something similar going on with an old external hard drive. some lacie thing that I need to shimmy open with a knife and ruler, weird partition layout too iirc. no matter as I lost it�s proprietary power cable a long while ago and don�t have a tower to pop it in, obv sata to USB alone is insufficient. probably overlooking a dumb way to access stuff on it outside just buying a cable or an old rear end tower from surplus

# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:03

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# ? May 25, 2024 00:07

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Hello Spaceman posted:

No not quite

Inside the enclosure windows sees it as an 8tb usb storage device with a 8tb exfat volume
Out of the enclosure and plugged into a sata port, windows sees an 8tb seagate hard drive with three partitions (a raw volume of 1tb and two unformatted partitions; the total of all three adds up to 8tb)

I�ve poked around a bit and can establish the following:
1. The sata-to-usb bridge in the enclosure has an ic and a bios, and obviously this is doing some intermediary data jiggery, hence the weird partitions
2. The data is not encrypted or anything - running a data recovery tool still accesses everything. It�s just the partition table that�s whack

but yeah since there�s no real solution i�ll have to figure out how where to store 8tb of data so that i can format the disk fml

It�s loving stupid of transcend/external drive manufacturers to do this because there are a number of legit reasons to need to take a drive out of its housing. Holding people�s data hostage is pro-tier idiocy

no one's holding your data hostage you dumbass nerd, you even admitted the disk works when it's in its enclosure

# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:47

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

If it's your only copy of 8 terabytes of irreplaceable data, why are you taking the hard drive apart

# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:58

Hello Spaceman: Jan 18, 2005; hop, skip, and jumpgate

anthonypants posted:

no one's holding your data hostage you dumbass nerd, you even admitted the disk works when it's in its enclosure

Sure, I do right now. But when the enclosure fails or gets damaged?

Sagebrush posted:

If it's your only copy of 8 terabytes of irreplaceable data, why are you taking the hard drive apart

the external casing has aggressive power management that powers down the drive every 10 minutes, and when windows powers it back up it locks up any current process (video playing, web browser, etc) for 5 seconds while the drive mounts. the drive can serve the same purpose inside the machine.

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:05

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Hello Spaceman posted:

Sure, I do right now. But when the enclosure fails or gets damaged?

the external casing has aggressive power management that powers down the drive every 10 minutes, and when windows powers it back up it locks up any current process (video playing, web browser, etc) for 5 seconds while the drive mounts. the drive can serve the same purpose inside the machine.

So transfer the data off the 8T, zero-pass it, chuck it in your tower and reformat it as a single partition?

Whats the issue here?

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:16

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Hello Spaceman posted:

the external casing has aggressive power management that powers down the drive every 10 minutes, and when windows powers it back up it locks up any current process (video playing, web browser, etc) for 5 seconds while the drive mounts. the drive can serve the same purpose inside the machine.

you could turn off indexing for that drive but how do you know this is the enclosure's fault

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:19

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

OldAlias posted:

I got something similar going on with an old external hard drive. some lacie thing that I need to shimmy open with a knife and ruler, weird partition layout too iirc. no matter as I lost it’s proprietary power cable a long while ago and don’t have a tower to pop it in, obv sata to USB alone is insufficient. probably overlooking a dumb way to access stuff on it outside just buying a cable or an old rear end tower from surplus

USB to sata is functionally equivalent to hooking up sata directly.

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:22

Hello Spaceman: Jan 18, 2005; hop, skip, and jumpgate

Schadenboner posted:

So transfer the data off the 8T, zero-pass it, chuck it in your tower and reformat it as a single partition?

Whats the issue here?

$200 for another 8tb drive is the issue otherwise I would�ve done this a week ago and not posted here to try solve weird partition bullshit :classiclol:

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:29

OldAlias: Nov 2, 2013

spankmeister posted:

USB to sata is functionally equivalent to hooking up sata directly.

I guess I should grab a cable from eBay or something

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:38

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Hello Spaceman posted:

$200 for another 8tb drive is the issue otherwise I would�ve done this a week ago and not posted here to try solve weird partition bullshit

your question is, "i have a disk in an external enclosure and the manufacturer of this enclosure messed with the partition table so the disk won't work outside of the enclosure. how do i fix, while also preserving all of my data on the disk?"

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:40

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

Hello Spaceman posted:

Sure, I do right now. But when the enclosure fails or gets damaged?

the external casing has aggressive power management that powers down the drive every 10 minutes, and when windows powers it back up it locks up any current process (video playing, web browser, etc) for 5 seconds while the drive mounts. the drive can serve the same purpose inside the machine.

have you tried linux? not making a joke here, they might bypass such obtuse setups

edit: nevermind, read it wrong. sounds like you would need to set up dmsetup for the partitions or something

Tankakern fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jul 22, 2018

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:46

Hello Spaceman: Jan 18, 2005; hop, skip, and jumpgate

anthonypants posted:

your question is, "i have a disk in an external enclosure and the manufacturer of this enclosure messed with the partition table so the disk won't work outside of the enclosure. how do i fix, while also preserving all of my data on the disk?"

what is computering if not hacking apart poo poo and bending it to our will?
i just thought somebody might have had a workaround for this because i�ve long since forgotten how partitions work, sorry for being an idiot

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:47

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Hello Spaceman posted:

what is computering if not hacking apart poo poo and bending it to our will?
i just thought somebody might have had a workaround for this because i�ve long since forgotten how partitions work, sorry for being an idiot

yeah, the workaround is getting a second disk to store your 8tb of horse porn while you zero out the first disk. if that's too difficult you can simply modify the disk's partition table yourself. good luck

# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:54

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

rather than zeroing out the whole drive, worth giving diskpart clean a shot

also dont buy seagate lol. if you're looking for a cheap 8tb, buy an 8tb wd easystore on sale at best buy (sometimes they go down to like $130) and shuck it. easystores is drives with reds inside.

theres a little bit of partition fuckery going on there as usual, but diskpart clean took care of it. ive bought 6 of these fuckers so far and each has been a red, lol. apparently some of the newer ones are white label drives rather than reds (read link) but you can figure out which is which by looking at the box, if the minute differences matter to you.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jul 23, 2018

# ? Jul 23, 2018 00:08

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

here�s your answer: :yaycloud:

# ? Jul 23, 2018 00:10

Raluek: Nov 3, 2006; WUT.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

rather than zeroing out the whole drive, worth giving diskpart clean a shot

also dont buy seagate lol. if you're looking for a cheap 8tb, buy an 8tb wd easystore on sale at best buy (sometimes they go down to like $130) and shuck it. easystores is drives with reds inside.

theres a little bit of partition fuckery going on there as usual, but diskpart clean took care of it. ive bought 6 of these fuckers so far and each has been a red, lol. apparently some of the newer ones are white label drives rather than reds (read link) but you can figure out which is which by looking at the box, if the minute differences matter to you.

are reds good now? my experience has been that a red is just a somehow ruggedized green, and ive had above-average failure rates with both greens and reds. but this experience is like 5 years old now so idk if there have been improvements made since then

# ? Jul 23, 2018 05:53

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

could be wrong but my understanding is that these 8tbs in particular are just relabeled helium HGST drives. i know the 6tb reds had a high failure rate but i think these are supposed to be better

# ? Jul 23, 2018 06:58

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

delete your anime porn, problem solved

# ? Jul 27, 2018 14:38

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

Captain Foo posted:

delete your anime porn, problem solved

but how will they get easy ratio on the next hentai torrent tracker/bitcoin exchange without collateral? didnt think about that did you smarmy pants?

those overly large anatomically incorrect videos dont draw themselves, thank god

# ? Jul 28, 2018 05:38

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

Agile Vector posted:

but how will they get easy ratio on the next hentai torrent tracker/bitcoin exchange without collateral? didnt think about that did you smarmy pants?

those overly large anatomically incorrect videos dont draw themselves, thank god

https://towardsdatascience.com/mangagan-8362f06b9625

# ? Jul 28, 2018 13:21

Shaman Linavi: Apr 3, 2012

i got a friend that overwrote an external drive with the win10 USB installer. is there any way to recover anything? im guessing this is a hard no unless they want to spend $$$ at some data recovery service

# ? Jul 28, 2018 19:41

Bhodi: Dec 9, 2007; Oh, it's just a cat.; Pillbug

if you just need a place to put some TB while you reformat it, stick it on backblaze or aws for a few dollars, assuming you have an ok internet speed and can wait a day or two for uploads. then if you really gently caress something up you've got an emergency backup

# ? Jul 28, 2018 21:58

Raluek: Nov 3, 2006; WUT.

Shaman Linavi posted:

i got a friend that overwrote an external drive with the win10 USB installer. is there any way to recover anything? im guessing this is a hard no unless they want to spend $$$ at some data recovery service

its actually possible to get most of the files back, but you cant just "bang presto everything is restored in situ"

is it a windows computer / ntfs drive? try recuva (free) or getdatabackntfs (there is a free thing that will scan for files, then you pay to unlock the recovery functionality)

or maybe theres something thats been invented in the last 5 years since i last did data recovery lol

# ? Jul 28, 2018 22:00

Bhodi: Dec 9, 2007; Oh, it's just a cat.; Pillbug

Shaman Linavi posted:

i got a friend that overwrote an external drive with the win10 USB installer. is there any way to recover anything? im guessing this is a hard no unless they want to spend $$$ at some data recovery service

if the above doesn't work, download and put whatever the latest hiren's boot cd is onto a USB, it has a few free data recovery tools that will get you back files that aren't explicitly overwritten

# ? Jul 28, 2018 22:01

Laserjet 4P: Mar 28, 2005; What does it mean?; Fun Shoe

gently caress it, i'm going to retry it here because i want to know

Laserjet 4P posted:

I have a Seagate BlackArmor NAS (2 x 2TB). When I set it up, I chose to have both disks as duplicates of eachother (RAID 1)

Before going on holiday, I shut it down by holding down the powerbutton on the front. After it finished shutting down, I unplugged it.

Coming back from holiday, I connected everything again and powered it up. Lo and behold; I get the Disk Manager screen and it tells me both drives are "foreign" and have to be cleaned before install first.

When I try to shut it down with the powerbutton, nothing happens. It won't shut down. The web interface doesn't offer a shutdown option either. That doesn't inspire confidence.

As for the data - it contains family photos and music. The photos are backed up to Amazon Drive, my other NAS (Synology DS216J) and a 3TB external disk, so I'm not worried about those.

However, with the music, there are a bunch of downloads that were available for a limited time and I didn't back them up to the external disk. I actually planned to move everything over to my other NAS after my holiday, go figure

How hosed am I?

I've got Windows 10 on a desktop machine that has room for a few more drives if necessary so I can put one of the disks in there to see if I can reach it. I also have a SATA/PATA dock. I also have an external enclosure with USB.

I also have a spare desktop machine that I can probably cajole into running some flavor of Linux.

Is it just a matter of hooking up an ext2 reader or will that make things worse?

please indicate fuckedness on a scale from "sasha grey" to "your mom"

# ? Jul 28, 2018 22:28

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

Laserjet 4P posted:

Seagate BlackArmor

well there's your problem

if they've touched the internet for an hour they're completely compromised

# ? Jul 29, 2018 01:58

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

burn a linux live usb, plug a drive in and see what's wrong. start with fsck then testdisk then ddrescue. the last one needs another hard drive and be aware that it could spit out a billion randomly named files

# ? Jul 29, 2018 02:35

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

move over, RNG�RFG�s in town!!!

# ? Jul 29, 2018 02:36

Laserjet 4P: Mar 28, 2005; What does it mean?; Fun Shoe

graph posted:

well there's your problem

if they've touched the internet for an hour they're completely compromised

it only touched the lan, never was accessible outside, never did any downloading with it

hifi posted:

burn a linux live usb, plug a drive in and see what's wrong. start with fsck then testdisk then ddrescue. the last one needs another hard drive and be aware that it could spit out a billion randomly named files

will try, tyvm

even when it's raid 1, would 1 drive suffice or would i need to mount both

# ? Jul 29, 2018 02:49

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

raid 1 is "mirrored" so the drives are identical, google says you still need to assemble the raid in a degraded state with something like 'mdadm --assemble --readonly /dev/md0 /dev/xxx'.

that's also assuming it's a mdadm raid and not some special sauce.

# ? Jul 29, 2018 02:56

Shaman Linavi: Apr 3, 2012

Raluek posted:

its actually possible to get most of the files back, but you cant just "bang presto everything is restored in situ"

is it a windows computer / ntfs drive? try recuva (free) or getdatabackntfs (there is a free thing that will scan for files, then you pay to unlock the recovery functionality)

or maybe theres something thats been invented in the last 5 years since i last did data recovery lol

Bhodi posted:

if the above doesn't work, download and put whatever the latest hiren's boot cd is onto a USB, it has a few free data recovery tools that will get you back files that aren't explicitly overwritten

thanks both of you, i will forward the info. It is a windows computer and an NTFS drive. i believe they fatfingered their backup drive instead of a usb stick when creating a win10 install usb install thing. ive used hiren's thing before for stuff i think but had forgotten about it.

# ? Jul 29, 2018 03:31

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Laserjet 4P posted:

gently caress it, i'm going to retry it here because i want to know

please indicate fuckedness on a scale from "sasha grey" to "your mom"

this is like Sasha Grey 2 hours into Anal Acrobats shoot

# ? Jul 29, 2018 05:11

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

so not hosed at all? :p

# ? Jul 29, 2018 09:36

Shaman Linavi: Apr 3, 2012

updated on my data recovery efforts:
recuva didnt do poo poo
DiskDigger from hiren's was able to get everything off but i ended up having to pay $15 for it since i didnt have time to gently caress around downloading the bootcd. Also just an FYI it takes like 5 hours to scan a 1TB harddrive.

# ? Aug 1, 2018 12:06

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Shaman Linavi posted:

updated on my data recovery efforts:
recuva didnt do poo poo
DiskDigger from hiren's was able to get everything off but i ended up having to pay $15 for it since i didnt have time to gently caress around downloading the bootcd. Also just an FYI it takes like 5 hours to scan a 1TB harddrive.

crazy i honestly thought your friend was screwed, i had no idea recovery worked.

# ? Aug 1, 2018 13:09

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

as someone who despises and got suckered into having to support linux i think these are cute and helpful

https://gumroad.com/l/bite-size-linux
https://gumroad.com/l/bite-size-command-line

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:39

mailorder bees: Nov 4, 2011; FLUFFERNUTTER

graph posted:

as someone who despises and got suckered into having to support linux i think these are cute and helpful

https://gumroad.com/l/bite-size-linux
https://gumroad.com/l/bite-size-command-line

i'm a fan of her zine things; theyre indeed super informative

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:47

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

Corla Plankun posted:

https://towardsdatascience.com/mangagan-8362f06b9625

this is both impressive and concerning

# ? Aug 4, 2018 02:38

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Agile Vector posted:

this is both impressive and concerning

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# ? May 25, 2024 00:07

Putty: Mar 21, 2013; HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS

when you insert a cd into a disk drive, is that computer vore?

# ? Aug 4, 2018 02:41

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