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Alfalfa posted:QB's also drafted that early typically are for QB desperate teams that don't have any resemblance of a starter ahead of them which is why they had the #1 or a top 5 pick to begin with. Goff had last year's #2 by QBR stud Case Keemum ahead of him and the plan was definitely to have him sit, but he played half the year anyway. Wentz was expected to sit all year, but Eagles were fine to trade away Bradford and go to him instead. Gus Bradley said they'd keep Bortles off the field til 2015 during the 2014 off season. Trubs and Glennon definitely count, especially as proof of the cap hit unimportance theory  Tyrod doesn't seem to be viewed as more than a low end QB by actual NFL teams for whatever reason, certainly not above average or he'd be getting locked down to a big deal and getting paid.
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Leperflesh posted:I'm kind of stunned at someone deciding not to keep each of those veterans, though. Maybe some of your leaguemates are idiots? There are hard limits as to how long guys can be kept. Each of those guys was at the end of their time limit. There are other guys that may get thrown back, 3rd QB type guys, but not many.
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If you're 10th maybe you should also draft Mahomes and ride that stud all the way to the winner's circle baby
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sourdough posted:Lol, it's almost like I said it's a completely different situation. Cap hit doesn't mean much was the point, spoeank brought it up. I know you used that caveat, but why bring it up in the first place? You are saying cap hit doesn't matter, but historically in the NFL, the guy getting paid the most gets the most opportunities to succeed. I'm not saying it's right, just that NFL teams don't like admitting they made a mistake. quote:QBs drafted that early just don't sit out their rookie years, there's no mental gymnastics required. If you want to write an article laying out the reasons to expect otherwise for Baker (or Darnold), I'd be happy to read it. Go figure out if there are any comparable situations in the past decade or two and see what happened. I agree with this. What I don't agree with is using this as a blanket statement saying all the quarterbacks will start. I think you have to look at the individual circumstances. I think Rosen will see time, because Bradford is made of glass and Glennon is made of rear end. I think Darnold will see playing time, because I don't think McCown is good enough to hold him off. I think Josh Allen will see playing time because Buffalo will desperately try to find someone who isn't completely terrible. With Tyrod, he doesn't turn the ball over much and is just good enough that I think he'll hold Mayfield. quote:Edit: Also, I'm surprised how quickly everyone (not just you) seems to be writing off Flacco. If the Ravens were so enamored with Jackson, they wouldn't have waited til pick 32 to try to trade back up and grab him. Long term, Jackson is a nice prospect, but having everyone pass on him, including the Ravens themselves for an old rookie TE, doesn't bode well for him in the short term. Rosen also is much more likely to sit as long as Bradford can stay healthy. Which, ya know, probably won't be long, but he did play 29 out of 32 games in 2015-2016. They liked him enough to trade up into the first round to get him. Also, Flacco is pretty bad and I think I actually just wrote that player profile quickly hitting on why.
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https://www.fantasypros.com/2018/07/very-deep-sleeper-cordarrelle-patterson-fantasy-football-2018/ man we hit this part of the offseason early
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Every kicker is going to outscore that guy.
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That is way too many goddamn words to write about Cordarrelle Patterson in tyool 2018
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Benne posted:That is way too many goddamn words to write about Cordarrelle Patterson in tyool 2018 "Don't draft." There. Got it in two.
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It feels mean to pick on a Very Deep Sleeper list. He's deliberately picking out bottom of the barrel-types. Patterson is going to be great for that one time he hits as a super-cheap DFS play.
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I just reread that article and I am not sure where to rank Patterson now. Gurley Zeke DJohnson Bell Brown Patterson Julio OBJ Hopkins Or should Julio be above Patterson? I cant decide between those two.
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Tiptoes posted:It feels mean to pick on a Very Deep Sleeper list. He's deliberately picking out bottom of the barrel-types. The article basically says that Patterson was used by Bad Coaches in the past, but that Belichik is a Good Coach who should make a WR run the ball more and create some kind of hybrid offensive weapon. Like fantasy gem Tavon Austin. It's the kind of article that the writer gets to point to if he's right and nobody remembers if he's wrong. It's more fantasy than football. If you want a deep sleeper, grab Keelan Cole.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The article basically says that Patterson was used by Bad Coaches in the past, but that Belichik is a Good Coach who should make a WR run the ball more and create some kind of hybrid offensive weapon. Like fantasy gem Tavon Austin. I mean hell if you're digging that deep, John Brown, Trent Taylor and DaeSean Hamilton are going after him on fantasypros ADP and have some sort of sleeper appeal you can justify in fewer than 1,500 words (mostly because they haven't disappointed us for half a decade yet).
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I just read that guy's Kenneth Dixon article and it's some real galaxy brain poo poo "OK so Dixon's been a total fuckup and in the coach's doghouse and might not even make the team ... but what if Alex Collins is bad??? What then, huh???"
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The article basically says that Patterson was used by Bad Coaches in the past, but that Belichik is a Good Coach who should make a WR run the ball more and create some kind of hybrid offensive weapon. Like fantasy gem Tavon Austin. I don't think the guy expects to hit on everyone and knows he's going to miss on a lot. He had previously published takes on Derek Carrier and Luke Willson in this series. I just think there's value to turning over every rock in fantasy.
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Tiptoes posted:https://www.fantasypros.com/2017/08/very-deep-sleeper-keelan-cole-fantasy-football/ There's "turning over every rock" and then there's pulling takes out of your rear end to talk up a first-round bust who has yet to reach 500 receiving yards in five years "Duuurrrr Belichick will know how to use this guy, because Phillip Dorsett really worked out didn't he"
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To be fair Dorset blows on special teams. Patterson is an excellent gunner and has more return yards than anyone else since he has been in the league. Still a lovely hot take.
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Tiptoes posted:https://www.fantasypros.com/2017/08/very-deep-sleeper-keelan-cole-fantasy-football/ It's absolutely fine to turn over every rock but some rocks just have bugs and dirt underneath them.
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Benne posted:There's "turning over every rock" and then there's pulling takes out of your rear end to talk up a first-round bust who has yet to reach 500 receiving yards in five years quote:“I don’t know what you’ve been through in the past, but, basically, we get the job done here,” Patterson says Belichick told the wide receiver. “We’re gonna make you the player that you should be.”
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Tiptoes posted:https://www.fantasypros.com/2017/08/very-deep-sleeper-keelan-cole-fantasy-football/ Sure, but that article is from 2017. By the time Cole was relevant I can't imagine anyone would have kept him. I suppose articles like that look good in hindsight, or as a way to validate a waiver wire pickup, but it also feels like a fantasy shotgun approach. As I see it sleepers at this point in time are about players you would consider drafting, not players you might see break out at some point during the season and you can snag off the waiver wire. I can't recall anyone predicting that Cole would break out last season, least of all from Week 13 through Week 16. As I see it a sleeper is a player you can draft outside of when people have picked up their starters, when you're filling your bench, but will still perform before you drop him for the waiver wire. So double digits grabs, essentially.
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folks,,, https://twitter.com/JOSH_GORDONXII/status/1021398682619572225 https://twitter.com/JOSH_GORDONXII/status/1021399020399464454 https://twitter.com/GlennMooreCLE/status/1021405006564679681 https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1021405504537579520 Edit https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1021406517763899392 https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/1021406486797447169 Spoeank fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Jul 23, 2018 15:45
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And here I thought this was going to be his year.
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Jul 23, 2018 15:49
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Rule #1 of Fantasy Football: It is never, under any circumstances, Josh Gordon's year.
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we go live to Josh Gordon Twitter
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Jul 23, 2018 15:51
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Dude cannot get out of his own way. RIP
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Jul 23, 2018 16:02
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NOOOOOOOOO JOSH....!!!!
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I just think it's nice of him to do a few hours before the Fish Bowl draft
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He might be doing it to avoid having cameras stuffed in his face for Hard Knocks. Could be nothing.
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Spermy Smurf posted:Could be nothing. I envy your naivety.
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"League sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Gordon is seeking additional counseling before camp opens to deal with his mental health and anxiety. The wide receiver has said that he typically used alcohol or marijuana when he was anxious, something he cannot do without another violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy."
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Poque posted:"League sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Gordon is seeking additional counseling before camp opens to deal with his mental health and anxiety. The wide receiver has said that he typically used alcohol or marijuana when he was anxious, something he cannot do without another violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy." Good on him if that's the case. This is a big moment and learning to self cope without self medicating could be tough for someone who has spent their entire life doing the latter.
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Poque posted:"League sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Gordon is seeking additional counseling before camp opens to deal with his mental health and anxiety. The wide receiver has said that he typically used alcohol or marijuana when he was anxious, something he cannot do without another violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy." Aka he really bailed to Montreal to party with his boy $$$ Manziel celebrating his trade.
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From: https://deadspin.com/its-remarkably-easy-to-beat-nfl-drug-testing-1695935246quote:NFL players are tested for recreational drugs once a year, during a window mandated by the collectively bargained substance-abuse policy. That window opens in the spring (this year, coincidentally, it’s on 4/20) and ends early in the preseason. But largely because of the cost of dispatching drug testers, the vast majority of players are tested during training camp, when they’re all in one place. All a player usually needs to do is make sure he pisses clean by the time he reports to camp, and once he’s tested, he can smoke as much as he wants for the next year. Gordon needed a quick stint in a place the NFL can't test him (rehab/counseling/whatever) in order to piss clean when he reports to camp. Timeline TBD by whatever drug he's dodging a test for.
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pmchem posted:From: https://deadspin.com/its-remarkably-easy-to-beat-nfl-drug-testing-1695935246 Don’t think that applies to previous offenders though. They are opened to anytime anyplace I believe.
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Alfalfa posted:Don’t think that applies to previous offenders though. They are opened to anytime anyplace I believe. Good point. I guess he really, really needed a place to hide from testers!
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Or people smoke up all day erry day at minicamp and he wanted to avoid it because he is an 
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Just let motherfucker smoke weed for physical pain. God I hate this country.
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https://twitter.com/JackAsspuria/status/875739134899372032 try bulkin up your hands amari
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/JackAsspuria/status/875739134899372032 Amari's biggest problem was winning contested catches, at least according to Matt Harmon on Reception Perception. If that's no longer an issue... 
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Chernabog posted:I don't think I could bring myself to draft Cooper again. I saw that picture and all the hype in 2017 and drafted him then. Maybe at a discount in 2018. But man, 2017 was painful.
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