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Kashuno posted:Ophilia has a pretty boring Ch1 compared to most of the others but it’s a good ride through the rest Ophilia was kind of the opposite to Primrose for me. Started out boringly but got supergood at the end while Primrose's started out strong but peetered out during the end. Helps that Mattias is one of the best villains by far. Simeon meanwhile... ugh.
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Mordiceius posted:Gustav owns. Olberic honestly has one of the best stories, alongside Cyrus.
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Jul 23, 2018 09:30
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I beat the archmagus and Cyrus is now an elemental scholar sorcerer of destruction. 
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When is the best time to start doing the advanced job dungeons? My highest level right now is 45 and I just started the Chapter 3's.
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:When is the best time to start doing the advanced job dungeons? My highest level right now is 45 and I just started the Chapter 3's. My high level party is the same level and we took out the sorcerer and starseer since they can both be cheesed with the mass reflect method. Haven’t attempted the other two.
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Jul 23, 2018 10:59
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I started as H'aanit and then got Ophelia. It was fine, really 
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Alfyn's ability is good, but doesn't really bring a ton that most cleric skills don't already bring, though I guess that means you could get away without a second dedicated healer if he's your main. Uhhh...Alfyn can hit every single element, multiple times or on multiple enemies, give the entire party regen, give the entire a huge BP boost, cure ailments, heal for far more than a cleric in an AOE. He is really incredibly good. Jonas Albrecht posted:Are Shackle Foe and Armor Corrosive affected by stats at all? No, but one thing I noticed about them is even if any enemy has more than 2-3 turns left of a stat buff, they will immediately remove *all* turns of a stat buff Kashuno fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Jul 23, 2018 13:02
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How can alfyn give the entire party a huge bp boost? I've used concoct soothing dust pomegranate essence but that's just one.
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Jul 23, 2018 13:05
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:How can alfyn give the entire party a huge bp boost? I've used concoct soothing dust pomegranate essence but that's just one. Purifying Dust + Pomegranate Essence gives 2 BP for everyone. With Apothecary Divine Skill, he can also use Purifying Seed + Pomegranate Essence to give 4 BP to everyone.
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Jul 23, 2018 13:09
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Purifying Dust + Pomegranate will give 2BP to everyone. You start to see that stuff for sale in the Ch2/Ch3 areas, depending on which cities you're in. It's not cheap when you first see it (3.2k) but I regularly have around 100k now so I just stocked up. Use the Divine for 4BP to all
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Elderbean posted:What's a good sub for Olberic? I was thinking cleric but his magic stats are low. Cleric heals use elemental defense, not elemental attack. Olberic is a real good cleric. Also for those mentioning Therion, I actually have Ophilia subclassed as a thief in my B-Team runthrough right now and it's great because she can just fill her SP back up when it's getting low.
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Mordiceius posted:My high level party is the same level and we took out the sorcerer and starseer since they can both be cheesed with the mass reflect method. Haven’t attempted the other two. Is the mass reflect method just getting the Cleric Boosted skill up and casting it once? Does that work?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Is the mass reflect method just getting the Cleric Boosted skill up and casting it once? I haven't tried it yet but I think the method is to use the Dancers divine skill on cleric so that their reflect spell hits the entire party.
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Jul 23, 2018 13:25
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I wish one of the dancer random effects were x100 money
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Jul 23, 2018 13:30
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I wish one of the dancer random effects were x100 money Merchant gets an orbital laser that gives you thousands of dollars per cast.
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Jul 23, 2018 13:32
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Saint Freak posted:Merchant gets an orbital laser that gives you thousands of dollars per cast. Is that their divine? I've been using collect a lot, combined with incidental attack, but something with more damage would rule.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Is that their divine? I've been using collect a lot, combined with incidental attack, but something with more damage would rule. Yes. It's 1:1 damage to money but it only gives you money for actual hp removed though, so if you hit something with like 100 hp for 5000 damage you only get 100 gold.
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So I'm into chapter 3 with the main party. (I'm around level 27, Tressa's level 34 boss was interesting let me tell you) I'm just not seeing this supposed damage falloff on my magical attackers. Party is Tressa/Therion/Prim/Cyrus. The latter two hurl out like 4-5k damage during break phase like it's nothing. Forbidden Dagger/Viper Dagger Therion is doing far less and Tressa's not there for the damage, so that's okay.
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Jul 23, 2018 13:43
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I appreciate that this game does a better job of balancing physical and magic damage than most JRPGs do. Usually, one of them just reigns supreme in the late-game with the other either being not very useful or kind of niche (you have to go a bit out of your way to have really strong physical attacks in Final Fantasy VI, for example). It helps that Octopath makes regaining SP pretty easy, so needing to conserve your magic isn't really a thing. Even if you weren't swimming in Inspiriting Plums all the time, multiple characters have SP-restoring abilities or talents. Elderbean posted:What's a good sub for Olberic? I was thinking cleric but his magic stats are low. Gonna echo Hunter or Apothecary. Hunter will make him the absolute strongest he can be (before the advanced subjobs, of course), with the highest physical attack boost and a boost to his accuracy and crit. It also gives him axes and bows (though only has skills for bows, unfortunately) and Leghold Trap, which is awesome utility. Apothecary gives him axes and Amputation, which is extremely strong, plus lets him learn some useful passives, make people immune to status effects, and revive people. Natural 20 posted:So I'm into chapter 3 with the main party. (I'm around level 27, Tressa's level 34 boss was interesting let me tell you) If there's a real damage fall-off for magic at all, then Sorcerer definitely counteracts it by doing three hits per spell. Harrow fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Jul 23, 2018 13:44
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Magic never really falls off. Warmaster just comes online hard once you have a full set of battle tested weapons and the right passives from several advanced jobs. So basically right at the end of the game.
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I guess one difference here from something like Bravely Default is that you can only have one character in each subjob at a time, so it's not like you can have a full party of like three Warmasters and then someone to feed them BP. In Bravely there's little reason not to have one character be a BP battery while your other three have the exact same uber-damage job combination and just wipe the floor with everything, so any imbalance between physical and magical damage is really amplified. In Bravely Default, physical damage was king by a wiiiiiiiide margin, especially because there was even one caster job that primarily did physical damage (Vampire). That was true even for enemies--almost every dangerous attack in the game (that isn't dangerous specifically for its status effects) was physical, which made Ninja's dodge skill and Templar's ability to cancel out physical damage incredibly good. If I recall correctly, Bravely Second balanced physical and magical fairly well just by adding the Wizard job and letting you make any spell multi-hit 
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I guess I'm not doing enough exploring, because I finally(!) finished everyone's Chapter 2 last night at about 30 hours in, and most of the party still isn't up to the level recommended for the Chapter 3s. My Therion is level 32, which is the right level to get started on the lower-end Ch3s, but everyone else is in the high 20s besides Olberic and Tressa who are at like 18. I've done some swapping around to keep Alfy and Ophilia roughly up to level, but I've definitely got a "main" party and I've pretty much ignored Tressa and Olberic outside of their chapters. (I was really happy to find out that despite appearances, Olberic's chapter didn't actually consist entirely of 1-on-1 duels, because I would have had to do some serious powerleveling on him.) If you guys are complaining about being overleveled, have you had multiple Caits or Bewildering Dance multipliers? The only other thing is that I've had the encounter rate reduction ability on pretty much full time, so getting though a dungeon is usually around 4 random battles and a boss fight. I dunno how much experience I'm missing out on, but I'd much rather powerlevel for a half hour while watching TV than deal with tons of battles while I'm searching for treasure chests. Either way, the experience curve has seemed pretty balanced to me.
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Phenotype posted:I guess I'm not doing enough exploring, because I finally(!) finished everyone's Chapter 2 last night at about 30 hours in, and most of the party still isn't up to the level recommended for the Chapter 3s. My Therion is level 32, which is the right level to get started on the lower-end Ch3s, but everyone else is in the high 20s besides Olberic and Tressa who are at like 18. I've done some swapping around to keep Alfy and Ophilia roughly up to level, but I've definitely got a "main" party and I've pretty much ignored Tressa and Olberic outside of their chapters. (I was really happy to find out that despite appearances, Olberic's chapter didn't actually consist entirely of 1-on-1 duels, because I would have had to do some serious powerleveling on him.) I actually find this post kind of encouraging. I've been worried about my main (Alfyn) getting mega-overleveled if I do all eight characters' stories chapter-by-chapter, since he'll be in the party the whole time, but the difference between level 32 and high 20s isn't nearly big enough for me to worry about.
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The endgame is hard enough that any grinding is not overkill
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I tried to do runelord this morning before work with the Incite-Sidestep combo and it was going well up til the point where he started using the party-wide attacks. Then everything fell apart and I couldn't recover.  I'll have to come back again once I get something better figured out.
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I beat the warbringer without taking damage  Aelfric's Auspices + Transfer Rune + Sidestep is pretty powerful huh. I almost burst out laughing at the ultimate attack near the end.Re: Overleveling, I've been overleveled for basically the entire game and outside of that one cait encounter it's all due to just... doing everything. I like exploring, doing all the dungeons, doing all the sidequests, getting all the characters and jobs, etc. and by the time I started my first chapter 2 I was already overleveled and at the end of that chapter my entire team was overleveled for their chapter 2s. It seems like it slows down at around level 50 though. I had a bunch of chapter 2's and 3's left to go (still haven't done any 4's) and my team was already nearing 50 but now that I've done all of them my team is only barely 50 while the stragglers are somewhere around 30-40. It looks like I'm not gonna be as overleveled for the chapter 4's as I thought which is nice.
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So uh, Warbringer is the first shrine I came across. Got her down to less than half health then she got like 20 turns in a row and nothing mattered anymore Is there a timer on the fight or does the game expect anyone to actually survive that because I can't see anything living and that's kiiinda dumb not gonna lie
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Your Computer posted:Re: Overleveling, I've been overleveled for basically the entire game and outside of that one cait encounter it's all due to just... doing everything. I like exploring, doing all the dungeons, doing all the sidequests, getting all the characters and jobs, etc. and by the time I started my first chapter 2 I was already overleveled and at the end of that chapter my entire team was overleveled for their chapter 2s. It seems like it slows down at around level 50 though. I had a bunch of chapter 2's and 3's left to go (still haven't done any 4's) and my team was already nearing 50 but now that I've done all of them my team is only barely 50 while the stragglers are somewhere around 30-40. It looks like I'm not gonna be as overleveled for the chapter 4's as I thought which is nice. Yeah, I've only done one of the extra dungeons between chapters 1 and 2 (the one with the Jotunn), and while I've solved a good bunch of sidequests, there are a bunch that aren't really obvious that I assumed I'd figure out as I went along. I assume a bunch of the ones that I missed have to do with the other side dungeons? The sidequests don't give you experience outright IIRC, but yeah, I'd probably have an extra few levels on everyone if I'd done more dungeons. I still don't think I'd be overleveled, though, I still have like 15 levels to gain to get two of my characters to "recommended" for Ch3. Still hating Ophilia's story, by the way. Alfyn's was the same sort of blunder into town on a whim and take a look around, but his at least went somewhere interesting and had an important problem for him to solve. Ophilia lights the flame in the church, the entire reason for her quest, pretty much instantly, and then spends the next hour playing with the village children. Primrose and some of the others don't have time for this bullshit, okay? Fine, eventually she has to go save the kid from a wolf, but whatever, if we'd just left town after lighting the flame the kid never would have ran into the forest to begin with.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:So uh, Warbringer is the first shrine I came across. Got her down to less than half health then she got like 20 turns in a row and nothing mattered anymore She adds turns at thresholds (3 at 50% and 6 and 25% iirc) As mentioned previously in the thread if you're not cheesing with runelord/merchant leghold trap makes these fights much more managable. Overhealing as well if that's an option for you.
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Is there a no-story-spoilers list anywhere for what you need to do to unlock the endgame? Also, am I going to be sad in said endgame if I've only been focusing on four characters for my team?
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Also, am I going to be sad in said endgame if I've only been focusing on four characters for my team? You won't be able to do it at all
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Phenotype posted:Still hating Ophilia's story, by the way. Alfyn's was the same sort of blunder into town on a whim and take a look around, but his at least went somewhere interesting and had an important problem for him to solve. Ophilia lights the flame in the church, the entire reason for her quest, pretty much instantly, and then spends the next hour playing with the village children. Primrose and some of the others don't have time for this bullshit, okay? Fine, eventually she has to go save the kid from a wolf, but whatever, if we'd just left town after lighting the flame the kid never would have ran into the forest to begin with. I thought it was really cute and liked it 
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Phenotype posted:Yeah, I've only done one of the extra dungeons between chapters 1 and 2 (the one with the Jotunn), and while I've solved a good bunch of sidequests, there are a bunch that aren't really obvious that I assumed I'd figure out as I went along. I assume a bunch of the ones that I missed have to do with the other side dungeons? The sidequests don't give you experience outright IIRC, but yeah, I'd probably have an extra few levels on everyone if I'd done more dungeons. I still don't think I'd be overleveled, though, I still have like 15 levels to gain to get two of my characters to "recommended" for Ch3. Not everybody needs to have a dark dramatic hell story from start to finish. Ophilia is just trying to live her best life representing her beliefs and she is doing it! Also don't worry it is about to get lovely as gently caress for Ophilia
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Phenotype posted:Yeah, I've only done one of the extra dungeons between chapters 1 and 2 (the one with the Jotunn), and while I've solved a good bunch of sidequests, there are a bunch that aren't really obvious that I assumed I'd figure out as I went along. I assume a bunch of the ones that I missed have to do with the other side dungeons? The sidequests don't give you experience outright IIRC, but yeah, I'd probably have an extra few levels on everyone if I'd done more dungeons. I still don't think I'd be overleveled, though, I still have like 15 levels to gain to get two of my characters to "recommended" for Ch3. Primrose wanted to help find it, because it was an item of significance from the kid's deceased parent.
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also the OST owns for this game so loving hard. One of the best game soundtracks of all time I think
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What do you guys think the best order to tackle the advanced job bosses is? Sounds like doing runelord before warmaster is a gimme
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Hi goons. Just got this and it is very good. 1. Is there negative repercussions to provoking and mauling rando villagers with my pokemon? 2. I am notoriously terrible with job systems. Is there a chart of what to give who when I get there? Not that I will be for ages. 3. I have 3 characters, I should just circle the world and get them all correct? Or should I continue my first story when I'm level appropriate?
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Licarn posted:Primrose wanted to help find it, because it was an item of significance from the kid's deceased parent. Kashuno posted:also the OST owns for this game so loving hard. One of the best game soundtracks of all time I think like god drat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG5MgqqL9cI
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