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Random Hajile posted:The thing is about an rear end in a top hat protagonist is that they have to be funny or at least interesting enough that you still want to watch them in action or it just doesn't work. Also, even if they're funny and interesting they have to get some comeuppance for the horrible poo poo they do. Otherwise they're functionally the hero, and the writer is just admiring an rear end in a top hat. Obligatum VII posted:To be fair, he started out as a potentially a good parody but then got worse instead of ever coming to comprehend that he was a shitheel. I think this is probably a hard thing to pull off in a video game. Most good rear end in a top hat protagonists are from books and the thing that makes them bearable is that they generally have some self-awareness that they're an rear end in a top hat. Books have an easy time with that because writing internal monologue is just as easy as anything else. I don't even know how you'd do someone like Flashman in a game and execute it well.
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Klyith posted:Most good rear end in a top hat protagonists are from books and the thing that makes them bearable is that they generally have some self-awareness that they're an rear end in a top hat. Books have an easy time with that because writing internal monologue is just as easy as anything else. I don't even know how you'd do someone like Flashman in a game and execute it well. Well, voice over monologues are one tool you could use. Another is to use the objective reminders as being from the character's internal dialogue- stuff like 'Go Somewhere To Feel Like An rear end in a top hat, Like A Park Or Something' or 'Talk to Alice and Try to Help' -> 'OH GOD THAT DID NOT HELP'.
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rear end in a top hat protagonists work well as dysfunctional people. I'm oddly reminded of Tales from the Borderlands, which I felt was better than it had any right to be. (though I've always liked stories that take place on the periphery of a standard kind of adventure dealing with the fallout and implications)
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FirstAidKite posted:
Terrible Awful Games Thread: An Egg, mostly likely from a dog.
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Ratoslov posted:Well, voice over monologues are one tool you could use. Another is to use the objective reminders as being from the character's internal dialogue- stuff like 'Go Somewhere To Feel Like An rear end in a top hat, Like A Park Or Something' or 'Talk to Alice and Try to Help' -> 'OH GOD THAT DID NOT HELP'. Now I want to play a game where you're a self-hating fuckup trying to go through everyday life and mostly failing hilariously. I mean, differently from how I already do in real life.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now I want to play a game where you're a self-hating fuckup trying to go through everyday life and mostly failing hilariously. So an Evangelion game, basically.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now I want to play a game where you're a self-hating fuckup trying to go through everyday life and mostly failing hilariously. There's a new Leisure Suit Larry game, if that counts.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:rear end in a top hat protagonists work well as dysfunctional people. I'm oddly reminded of Tales from the Borderlands, which I felt was better than it had any right to be. (though I've always liked stories that take place on the periphery of a standard kind of adventure dealing with the fallout and implications) Although I think it was helped in that you could determine how much Rhys and Fiona were jerks. Like if you wanted, Rhys could start off being somewhat regretful of working for Hyperion because he didn't know anything else to do. That said yeah it's my favorite TellTale game (which is not the high bar I originally thought).
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Now I want to play a game where you're a self-hating fuckup trying to go through everyday life and mostly failing hilariously. Night in the Woods?
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Ikari Worrier posted:Apparently the writer of the Deponia games is an edgelord who claims that Rufus is supposed to be a satire of the sociopathic actions that adventure game protagonists sometimes get up to but mostly just seemed to be using that as a pretext to be as offensive as possible. you trick baby dolphins to jump through a fiery hoop into a food processor so you can get a can of tuna
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Ikari Worrier posted:Apparently the writer of the Deponia games is an edgelord who claims that Rufus is supposed to be a satire of the sociopathic actions that adventure game protagonists sometimes get up to but mostly just seemed to be using that as a pretext to be as offensive as possible. you feed children to a sewer monster that had started to abstain from eating people due to medical reasons
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dregan posted:There's a new Leisure Suit Larry game, if that counts. 
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SardonicTyrant posted:Is the subtitle supposed to be a reference to Dark Dreams Don't Die? Wha? Why? it certainly seems to be, but nobody really understands why
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corn in the bible posted:it certainly seems to be, but nobody really understands why The Leisure Suit Larry Story
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I find Leisure Suit Larry being tall and recognizably human to be intensely disturbing, as is the notion that a fake Tinder app would not be used as a throw away joke to show what an idiot he is instead of a gameplay element.
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How do you gently caress up a jerk protagonist in an adventure game when they're such a grand tradition? Guybrush Threepwood ruins several people's lives without feeling bad about it, and yet you LIKE him. Rufus is just a hateful little poo poo written by an edgelord. I quit fairly quickly in the original Deponia because I could not stand being around him and I was informed that no, he does not change for the better or receive a funny enough comeuppance.
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Really Pants posted:Point & clicks with impossible-to-like protagonists are basically Daedalic's thing, with the exception of Memoria. They also published Candle, which is a pretty good hybrid of cinematic platformer and point-and-click, as well as AER, which is a decent 3D exploration game in the Journey/Abzu vein.
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Klyith posted:Also, even if they're funny and interesting they have to get some comeuppance for the horrible poo poo they do. Otherwise they're functionally the hero, and the writer is just admiring an rear end in a top hat. I've always disagreed heavily with this opinion, and it's gotten me in more than a few arguments. Relating a story about a fictional person in no way equates to admiring or condoning their actions. Not even a little bit.
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John Lee posted:I've always disagreed heavily with this opinion, and it's gotten me in more than a few arguments. Relating a story about a fictional person in no way equates to admiring or condoning their actions. Not even a little bit. Yeah but if they suck to be around i'd rather do something else. Why waste your money and your time on a miserable experience that says nothing?
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dregan posted:There's a new Leisure Suit Larry game, if that counts. So does this also have a part where a bunch of Kickstarter backers are hanging out for you to talk with and they're all super cool?
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John Lee posted:I've always disagreed heavily with this opinion, and it's gotten me in more than a few arguments. Relating a story about a fictional person in no way equates to admiring or condoning their actions. Not even a little bit. I don't believe in transitive guilt from the events of fiction to the writer, but I do believe in bad writing. Context matters a whole lot, and the bar for "what you can get away with" moves depending on what you're writing. Note that I didn't accuse the writers of Deponia of misogyny or racism for writing a story that has both, just of writing with some degree of approval the character who totally gets away with both. Cartoon violence is whatever, they're writing a cartoonish story. However a racist joke is still racist when it's a cartoon. And the whole thing with the hot chick who exists to be the sexual goal, named Goal, is the sucky sort of parody that tries to have its cake and eat it too.
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It's like when a game pokes fun at a lovely, overused, tedious game mechanic, but still makes the player go through the sequence with the game mechanic anyway. Just because the developer is self-aware about the use of a lovely part of a game doesn't excuse them from actually making a part of their game lovely on purpose.
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Inco posted:It's like when a game pokes fun at a lovely, overused, tedious game mechanic, but still makes the player go through the sequence with the game mechanic anyway. Just because the developer is self-aware about the use of a lovely part of a game doesn't excuse them from actually making a part of their game lovely on purpose. Yeah this is a pretty common thing when it comes to lazy writing. "I want to do the thing but it's such a cliche. I know, I'll show how clever I am by pointing out how cliche it is! That will show how I, the writer, am better than the thing I'm writing." If anything I feel like that's worse because if you do something lovely and don't know any better then at least it's understandable. If you SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT that you knew better and did it anyway I can only conclude that you're just being a dick.
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Inco posted:It's like when a game pokes fun at a lovely, overused, tedious game mechanic, but still makes the player go through the sequence with the game mechanic anyway. Just because the developer is self-aware about the use of a lovely part of a game doesn't excuse them from actually making a part of their game lovely on purpose. Ah, Matt Hazard syndrome.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Ah, Matt Hazard syndrome. Also seen in the opening of FarCry: Blood Dragon, where the obviously-going-to-betray-you partner character makes you go through a tutorial while the player character bitches about tutorials.
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Deadguy2322 posted:Also seen in the opening of FarCry: Blood Dragon, where the obviously-going-to-betray-you partner character makes you go through a tutorial while the player character bitches about tutorials. It was over in about a minute in Blood Dragon at least - in Matt Hazard's case it was the entire game.
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It just seems like one of those things where once you've made the joke, you don't then make the "punchline" be a 5-10 minute gameplay segment. That's not how jokes work.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/874100/LGBT_BATTLEGROUNDS/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/890510/GAY_BATTLEGROUNDS/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/893990/LGBT_VS_RUSSIA_BATTLEGROUNDS/ Uh. e: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/templates/systems/unitz-battlegrounds-117943 Ahhhhh.
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Are all these Russian LGBT games supposed to be pro-Russian, anti-gay propaganda, or are they meant to be satirizing the Russian government's intolerance?
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i think it's just sweatshop dev houses making chain-generated titles based on the most common search terms across all engines. the games themselves have nothing to do with gays or russians, almost certainly don't have battles, and in fact may not even have ground
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My attitudes towards Russia and everyone that falls under the LGBT umbrella are, correctly, constantly fluid and entirely directed by games I get for 99 cents on Steam.
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Speaking of foreign cultures and sexuality in gaming https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/835422767/the-super-patriotic-dating-simulator  
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McSpanky posted:Speaking of foreign cultures and sexuality in gaming You put this in the wrong thread I think
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McSpanky posted:Speaking of foreign cultures and sexuality in gaming "I-Infidel-senpai, I'm about to explode..."
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McSpanky posted:Speaking of foreign cultures and sexuality in gaming It's apparently satirical, but mein gott it looks far too close to something the chuds would produce.
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