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Who could have thought ordering something as simple as a novel public transportation system from a rabid, flailing hype machine nation through a byzantine and corrupt procurement process would lead to somewhat suboptimal results.
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BYD being poo poo aside, the point now goes back to battery buses are possible and Seattle (King County) will order 120 more by 2020, with the goal to be all electric by 2040. L.A. says by 2030 but with what we've seen hope they make better purchasing choices for that. Also mentioned was battery prices being high. The thing I haven't checked out and I'm actually more excited about the cars is how is Tesla's Gigafactory in Nevada doing at producing cells? Are prices going down? What part of high prices is production capability versus raw materials (mining lithium)?
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Jul 24, 2018 22:19
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I for one am shocked, shocked to hear that Los Angeles County has a terrible public transportation system.
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Jul 24, 2018 23:03
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Finger Prince posted:I for one am shocked, shocked to hear that Los Angeles County has a terrible public transportation system. Nobody said that though.
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Jul 24, 2018 23:17
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Outlander report: Got 636 miles on the odometer and used approx 3 gallons of gas. First electric bill was approx $25-30 more. No issues wish I could have Apple Carplay in my Mazda.
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I just got an email that the Model 3 is available to order in all configurations, including AWD. (I signed up for Solar Roof emails though,not model 3 info, friggin assholes.)
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Jul 25, 2018 07:07
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Does that include the $35,000 strippo model?
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Jul 25, 2018 07:14
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Full text for you:quote:Model 3 is available to order, and no reservation is required in the US. We’re now offering all our best options—including our Long Range and Performance configurations with dual motor all-wheel drive. You can design and order yours today for delivery in approximately 2–4 months. Configurator link: (standard battery available in 6-9 months) https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?&redirect=no#battery Guess not.
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Jul 25, 2018 07:27
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They're offering all their best options, not their worst ones.
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Jul 25, 2018 14:00
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I got the same email a few minutes ago, but they made this actual change a week or two back, there was some chat in this thread about it prior to the latest tesla bankruptcy derail.
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Jul 25, 2018 14:21
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Lmbo, my Credit Union denied my loan for 55k, and countered with 30k citing "The last car loan I had was only for $13,000 (I paid half up front) and I only have 4 years of credit history instead of 5." My qualifications: - 780 Credit score - No missed payments ever - A job history of 10 years with no gaps (4 jobs though.) - $120,000/year in gross income I did some research and found http://alliantpromos.org/tesla It's not updated, but I ended up getting approved within an hour, and they gave me 3.24%. I am pretty sure at this point my credit union just saw a 32 year old who wanted a mildly expensive car and instantly denied me.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:05
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ratbert90 posted:Lmbo, my Credit Union denied my loan for 55k, and countered with 30k citing "The last car loan I had was only for $13,000 (I paid half up front) and I only have 4 years of credit history instead of 5." I guess 30 really is the new 20. What's risky about a 32 year old with a well-paying job and good credit?
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ratbert90 posted:
No, it's about your credit union seeing a 32 year old with only 4 years of credit history. That's pretty much the issue at play here. It's a pretty big red flag since you should really have 3x the history at this point.
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bull3964 posted:No, it's about your credit union seeing a 32 year old with only 4 years of credit history. That's pretty much the issue at play here. It's a pretty big red flag since you should really have 3x the history at this point. I've always paid in cash for everything. Unfortunately, renting doesn't positively affect your credit rating or I would have 3x the history. 
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Jul 25, 2018 16:21
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Yeah they don't like that.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:23
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Well, that's a dumb financial move in the USA, for the reasons you've discovered. Gotta play the game. It sucks but  I also only have like 7 years of credit history here because, as it turns out, the Canadian and US credit bureaus don't talk to each other even though at least two of the companies literally operate in both countries. So although I've had a perfect payment record going back to age 18, in a country with a nearly identical financial system to the USA, the first several years simply don't count here. Great work guys A+
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Jul 25, 2018 16:25
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Yeah, pretty much. Even if all you do is get a credit card at 18 and setup your phone bill to auto pay to it, that'll be huge down the line. There's no advantage in dealing with cash in today's world and a shitton of disadvantages.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:26
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This also makes economic mobility a lot more difficult for the lower class.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:32
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Sounds like everything is working as designed.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:33
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Do you really want to buy a Tesla right now with people on the waiting list still not receiving their cars?
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Jul 25, 2018 16:34
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CommieGIR posted:Do you really want to buy a Tesla right now with people on the waiting list still not receiving their cars? It's a reservation, and the loan is a pre-approval. I can wait. If it doesn't pan out then I am pretty sure it won't be fatal.
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Jul 25, 2018 16:37
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Anybody that wants a tesla (in US/Can) can order one. The people holding out at this point either want the short range battery, or are waiting for their own reasons (finances, waiting on a lease to end, etc).
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Jul 25, 2018 16:41
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Non shitpost time. So I love oddball cars, especially some of the early EVs, however wacky or impractical. I thought I knew all the major manufacturers US releases, like most things, I was wrong. Introducing the US's first Lithium Battery EV from a mass manufacturer, the Nissan Altra: [quote= Nissan’s Altra-EV was engineered in 1997 at the Nissan Technical Center in Atsugi, Japan, and manufactured at the Tochigi assembly plant, Tochigi, Japan. The stated design goal for the Altra-EV was to combine the versatility of a minivan with the environmental benefits of an EV. The Altra-EV's chassis is based on the Nissan R'nessa station wagon manufactured for the Japan market from 1997 to 2002. The Altra-EV's manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) was $50,999 (in 1998 US dollars), had a published single charge range of 80 - 100 miles (161 km) and a maximum published range of 120 miles (190 km). Nissan claimed 0-50 mph (0-80 km/h) times of less than 12 seconds and the EPA reported that the Altra-EV had an adjusted mileage (miles per equivalent of a gasoline gallon) of 117 mpg-US (2.01 L/100 km; 141 mpg-imp) in city driving and 130 mpg-US (1.8 L/100 km; 160 mpg-imp) in highway driving. [quote/]   The Altra-EV was the first OEM EV of the 1990s to utilize Li-ion (lithium ion) traction batteries which were developed jointly by Nissan and Sony Corporation. The traction pack consisted of 96 cells configured in 12 modules with 8 cells per module yielding 32.4 kWh. Each module weighs 67lbs., with a traction pack total weight of 804 lbs. (363kg). Modules were rated at 95 amp hours and a total pack nominal voltage of 345v. The traction pack was housed in an aluminum battery carrier located under floor in the center of the vehicle and required five hours to completely recharge via Delco's (originally Hughes Power Systems) 220vac - 30amp Magne Charge off-board inductive 6.6kW paddle system (LPI). The Altra EV's four-passenger sedan style body was marketed as a roomy minivan style interior, and, at the time Nissan boasted that the Alta-EV lacked their perceived “clumsiness of layout that many other engineer designed electric cars exhibit.” Nissan also advertised that the Altra-EV was specifically designed for the American market and had available space for all the things “Americans lug around.” Nissan seemed to feel (c1998) that the Altra-EV's styling matched future trends where, as they noted, “tall and functional would outweigh low and sleek,” yet claimed concurrently that it was designed with aerodynamic efficiency in mind, yet the Altra-EV's published CD is 0.36. [/quote] drat Nissan. Source: http://www.tzev.com/1998_2002_nissan_altra-ev.html The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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Jul 25, 2018 16:56
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It kinda looks like a first-gen Honda HR-V, I guess it was from the same era.
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Jul 25, 2018 20:06
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Speaking of electric buses, London are getting 37 double deckers from BYD. https://insideevs.com/byd-adl-to-deliver-37-double-deckers-to-london/
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Jul 26, 2018 22:04
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One of my dad's friends is a career man at the local power company. I remember in the 90's he was driving around an electric car with the power company's branding on the side for a few months as a promotional thing. I remember that the car was both spacey-looking and hideous even by 90's standards
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Jul 26, 2018 22:15
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Ola posted:Speaking of electric buses, London are getting 37 double deckers from BYD. https://insideevs.com/byd-adl-to-deliver-37-double-deckers-to-london/ How are the British at building buses? Anything like their trains?
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Jul 26, 2018 22:18
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canyoneer posted:One of my dad's friends is a career man at the local power company. I remember in the 90's he was driving around an electric car with the power company's branding on the side for a few months as a promotional thing. Was it in SoCal? A former consultant we hired had worked at the largest one in SoCal and drove every single domestically released one including the one I just posted. Some of these cars were made specifically for these utilities, like the aforementioned ford ranger EV.
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Jul 26, 2018 22:19
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Charles posted:How are the British at building buses? Anything like their trains? BYD isn’t British.
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canyoneer posted:One of my dad's friends is a career man at the local power company. I remember in the 90's he was driving around an electric car with the power company's branding on the side for a few months as a promotional thing. A few of my fathers coworkers at Florida Power and Light had EV1 leases through FPL. It was my first ride in an EV. Did it look like this:  ?
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Jul 26, 2018 22:31
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Subjunctive posted:BYD isn’t British. Click the link! quote:The partnership between Chinese BYD and British Alexander Dennis Limited (ADL) continues and recently fruited with another big order for electric buses in London.
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Jul 26, 2018 22:35
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MrYenko posted:A few of my fathers coworkers at Florida Power and Light had EV1 leases through FPL. It was my first ride in an EV. Did it look like this: Man that might have been it. The 90's was a dark age for car aesthetics.
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Jul 26, 2018 22:39
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There was literally one electric car available in that time period. The EV1.
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Jul 26, 2018 22:40
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Charles posted:Click the link! Cheating.
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Jul 26, 2018 22:41
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drgitlin posted:There was literally one electric car available in that time period. The EV1. This was in Tucson, and looking at the EV1 Wikipedia page: quote:The EV1 was made available through limited lease-only agreements, initially to residents of the cities of Los Angeles, California, and Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. 
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Jul 26, 2018 22:43
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There’s a pretty obscure documentary about it if you’re interested!
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Jul 26, 2018 23:14
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drgitlin posted:There was literally one electric car available in that time period. The EV1. I’ll give you that the S-10, and Ranger were trucks, but Honda also had the EV Plus. Which was an electric car in the 90s, that at the end of the leases were taken back and destroyed.
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Ola posted:Speaking of electric buses, London are getting 37 double deckers from BYD. https://insideevs.com/byd-adl-to-deliver-37-double-deckers-to-london/
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Why were all the ev-1s destroyed? I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for it, but I just keep thinking "big oil got scared". Didn't the leasees love it? it was the stonecutters, wasn't it?
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All's I remember reading is conspiracy theories about GM not wanting to bring The Electric Car Revolution when they were perfectly happy selling and maintaining ICE vehicles, thank you very much. As far as actually sourced opinions, nada.
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