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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Pirate Radar posted:

Yeah but did you check out the four floors of whores? The prostitute institute. The multi-level muff market.

Mods name change please

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

GotLag posted:

The pooniversity

The street with the biggest concentration of massage parlors in Taipei has the nickname "Fivewood University" because its actual name has the character for "wood" in it five times and there are a lot of young women there.

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011
Just to point out, Ochard Towers is next door to the Thai Embassy for Singapore ... which is unfortunate in its connotations.

Also stick to floors 1 (meat market) and 4 (Russians), unless your tastes include the exotic.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
Avoid floors 1 and 4, gotcha.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Sonderval posted:

Just to point out, Ochard Towers is next door to the Thai Embassy for Singapore ... which is unfortunate in its connotations.

Also stick to floors 1 (meat market) and 4 (Russians), unless your tastes include the exotic.

What’s on floor 2 and 3?

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug
Or don't encourage the sex trade and the exploitation of humans.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

Ceciltron posted:

Or don't encourage the sex trade and the exploitation of humans.

Or dont shame sex workers?

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011
See thats the weird thing, it is a sleazy weird place with very in your face ladys selling themselves etc. but then you see familys with kids walking around it like a tourist attraction.

Very out of place for Singapore which like to keep these things restricted, Geylang is the "designated" red light area where the locals and labourers can be found. Orchard Towers is very much for the tourists, which again is a bit weird considering the laws in SG and how they like to portray themselves.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Too late now but definitely recommend Battlebox which is also on Orchard Road. British HQ during WWII and the Fall of Singapore. Fort Siloso as well for more milhist.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

A. Beaverhausen posted:

Or dont shame sex workers?

I love watching you guys trying to out virtue signal each other.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Glenn Quebec posted:

I love watching you guys trying to out virtue signal each other.

:eyepop:

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
guys it's fine i got stabbed today so i'm literally holier than thou

we don't need to worry about it

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Glenn Quebec posted:

I love watching you guys trying to out virtue signal each other.

:whip:

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
This morning the BBC (BBC World channel on sirius) was reporting on the vaccine scandal. They interviewed some people talking about how they try to support made in China but keep getting poo poo on basically.

Also the segment ended with a bit about how this would derail China's plans to become a global world supplier of vaccines by 2020 :lol:

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....
And then you read articles like this: China Will Always Be Bad at Bioethics which has the opening paragrath

quote:

This April, potential sperm donors at one of Beijing’s top hospitals found themselves facing a set of tough new standards. Listed as the first criteria, before any mention of infectious or hereditary diseases, was the requirement that potential donors have “a love for socialism and the motherland” and be “supportive of the leadership of the party.”

China's medical industry is just going to wilder and crazier.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
The idea that China would unironically proclaim themselves as socialist is possibly the biggest double think yet.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Western scientists struggle to show that vaccines cause autism, meanwhile China has developed a tried and true solution proving that such is possible

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
The "vaccine causes autism" thing was invented in the 70s by a man who wanted to promote his own business venture. It was debunked a long time ago, but people still take it seriously.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
it's largely because autism's still not very well understood. it's unusual but far from unheard of for a completely normal child to suffer some sort of huge processing setback when very young and suddenly start failing to meet social milestones in a huge way. well if that happens in the week or so after your kid gets shot up with a cocktail of 50 different vaccines in their first immunization round then you'd be forgiven for saying "huh, wonder what changed" and reaching the obvious answer. the obvious answer only looks more obvious when the doctors start saying you're insane, there's no way this could be true, this isn't our fault, blame yourself or god.

that doesn't mean the obvious answer is CORRECT, but it's no mystery why people end up there. multiply that story a few thousand times from sheer weight of numbers and amplify those thousand stories a few million times thanks to noisy social media and rear end in a top hat journalists scenting clickbait and would you look at that you've got a movement.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Mods name change please

multi-level muff market.

Ziv Zulander
Mar 24, 2017

ZZ for short


nickmeister posted:

The "vaccine causes autism" thing was invented in the 70s by a man who wanted to promote his own business venture. It was debunked a long time ago, but people still take it seriously.

Specifically, his own line of autism-free vaccines

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Glenn Quebec posted:

I love watching you guys trying to out virtue signal each other.

lol

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I was in Singapore recently and it was totally OK. I saw a Buddha tooth, argued with an Australian teen about which rollercoaster we had just ridden (while standing under the sign), and ate some loving great Singaporean Indian food. I stared at the fancy hotel and took some photos of the fish-cat. I would recommend.

Coolguye posted:

it's largely because autism's still not very well understood. it's unusual but far from unheard of for a completely normal child to suffer some sort of huge processing setback when very young and suddenly start failing to meet social milestones in a huge way. well if that happens in the week or so after your kid gets shot up with a cocktail of 50 different vaccines in their first immunization round then you'd be forgiven for saying "huh, wonder what changed" and reaching the obvious answer. the obvious answer only looks more obvious when the doctors start saying you're insane, there's no way this could be true, this isn't our fault, blame yourself or god.

that doesn't mean the obvious answer is CORRECT, but it's no mystery why people end up there. multiply that story a few thousand times from sheer weight of numbers and amplify those thousand stories a few million times thanks to noisy social media and rear end in a top hat journalists scenting clickbait and would you look at that you've got a movement.

Kids don't get 50 vaccines at a time and they start getting vaccines from a very, very young age when the social milestones are things like "existing" and "has continued to exist" so this has always been dubious reasoning.

Counterpoint: CHEMICALS~~~~

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Atlas Hugged posted:

Kids don't get 50 vaccines at a time and they start getting vaccines from a very, very young age when the social milestones are things like "existing" and "has continued to exist" so this has always been dubious reasoning.

Counterpoint: CHEMICALS~~~~

the social milestones are way more notable and specific than that. by 6-9 months old kids are expected to be doing a bunch of stuff like giggling when they see mom, responding to their name, smile at themselves in the mirror, etc. the thing is, kids can hit these milestones and then STOP doing them for no apparent reason at all, even if vaccines are withheld. nobody really knows why. it could be a thousand reasons, exactly like 'failure to thrive', which is an entire other bag of poo poo that nobody wants to think too hard about.

and while 50 is definitely an exaggeration because i wasn't caring to be precise here, kids do get over a dozen different vaccines in the first 6 months of life on the standard schedule. it's really no surprise to me that if a kid stops responding to their name, a parent might be inclined to blame the needle with, from their perspective, gently caress-only-knows-what in it that happened to go into their kid the week before.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
“The obvious answer only looks more obvious when experts explain that it’s clearly wrong” is a notable cognitive shortfall that happens way too often, yeah

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Sten Freak posted:

This morning the BBC (BBC World channel on sirius) was reporting on the vaccine scandal. They interviewed some people talking about how they try to support made in China but keep getting poo poo on basically.

Also the segment ended with a bit about how this would derail China's plans to become a global world supplier of vaccines by 2020 :lol:

Ah, the beeb. Tech and Science news bits are still fairly okay though.

And yeah, the 'tism hits people hard enough that they need to vent it onto something that isn't their now-broken child. I can understand their need for a scapegoat, at least.

poo poo, you should've seen my mother when I was diagnosed. She thought it was due to a snakebite, of all things.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Coolguye posted:

the social milestones are way more notable and specific than that. by 6-9 months old kids are expected to be doing a bunch of stuff like giggling when they see mom, responding to their name, smile at themselves in the mirror, etc. the thing is, kids can hit these milestones and then STOP doing them for no apparent reason at all, even if vaccines are withheld. nobody really knows why. it could be a thousand reasons, exactly like 'failure to thrive', which is an entire other bag of poo poo that nobody wants to think too hard about.

and while 50 is definitely an exaggeration because i wasn't caring to be precise here, kids do get over a dozen different vaccines in the first 6 months of life on the standard schedule. it's really no surprise to me that if a kid stops responding to their name, a parent might be inclined to blame the needle with, from their perspective, gently caress-only-knows-what in it that happened to go into their kid the week before.

My point was that children start receiving vaccines as early as at birth where again there are no social milestones and rarely receive more than a couple of vaccines at any specific time regardless of how many they receive over a X weeks or months. Saying that parents see these big numbers and correlation between receiving the vaccines and backsliding or missing milestones and come to the wrong conclusions is just playing into the narrative of the anti-vaccine crowd which is loving dangerous even if your goal is to refute it. The narrative doesn't exist.

The real issue is that people know poo poo about childhood development and less about CHEMICALS and we need to get back to a place where expertise is valued over gut impressions because:

Pirate Radar posted:

“The obvious answer only looks more obvious when experts explain that it’s clearly wrong” is a notable cognitive shortfall that happens way too often, yeah

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Counterpoint: Chinese kids don't need vaccines because being force-fed various unnecessary antibiotics from birth to old age means the huge increase in likelihood of cancers and illness, and all resistant strains of every kind of bacteria and so on, means they will just sick and die from something later anyway. Autism is also part of 5000 years of culture, so nobody would even notice.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Babies are stupid as heck guys.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Bajaj posted:

Counterpoint: Chinese kids don't need vaccines because being force-fed various unnecessary antibiotics from birth to old age means the huge increase in likelihood of cancers and illness, and all resistant strains of every kind of bacteria and so on, means they will just sick and die from something later anyway. Autism is also part of 5000 years of culture, so nobody would even notice.

Is autism a thing in china? I once hooked up with a mainlander via tinder who did research on altheizmers care/dementia, and I recall the chinese word for altheizmers translating to something literal like "stupid old" or so

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Also US airlines have caved on listing Taiwan as part of China.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


My Imaginary GF posted:

Is autism a thing in china? I once hooked up with a mainlander via tinder who did research on altheizmers care/dementia, and I recall the chinese word for altheizmers translating to something literal like "stupid old" or so

lol, it seems that the Chinese word for dementia is 癡呆/痴呆 which are characters that translate to idiot and fool. Alzheimer's is 老年癡呆症/老年痴呆症, "old-age dementia". I looked up the etymology of dementia to see how it compared, and it's a pretty straight forward "de-"->"out of" + "ment"->"mind" + "ia"~stem to make it a noun. The word "demented" shows that the usage of that term probably hasn't been so clinical, but the contrast with the bluntness of the Chinese is a hoot. Japanese just use a loan word for Alzheimer's (アルツハイマー病 arutsuhaimaa sho) usally, with 認知症 ninchisho (cognitive syndrome) being the the more general term for dementia.

I don't think you can make any conclusions from the different words, tho, aside from guessing that there's not really been much scrubbing of the Chinese languages for potentially offensive terms or awareness that's something that could/should be done, and that the Japanese are loving pros at coining the most banal sounding terms for anything. I'm looking at you, East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (大東亜共栄圏)

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
its not just the rabies vaccine that was dodgy


https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1021956778358124544


also

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1021995566597853185
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1021982257568010242

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Jose posted:

its not just the rabies vaccine that was dodgy


https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1021956778358124544



one of the subheaders read: A recurring issue

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Autism is 自閉症。

People know it exists but support is minimal

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Atlas Hugged posted:

Also US airlines have caved on listing Taiwan as part of China.

Incredibly trash.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

WarpedNaba posted:

Ah, the beeb. Tech and Science news bits are still fairly okay though.
I work in tech and hate their tech coverage. Wife is a scientist and curses their science coverage. HTH

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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caberham posted:

Autism is 自閉症。

People know it exists but support is minimal

I think there's only one school in HK that openly accepts kids with autism

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Imperialist Dog posted:

I think there's only one school in HK that openly accepts kids with autism

There’s a special EFS one for SEN with full support. Other ones do exist but services are hit and miss

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Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Atlas Hugged posted:

Also US airlines have caved on listing Taiwan as part of China.

Somebody should grow some balls and just offer $56.89 one-way tickets to Taiwan until they get banned.

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