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Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

ms should make their os more secure then

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PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

told you

http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/u_Vdp413fbo/microsofts-next-gen-xbox-will-focus-on-xcloud-game-streaming

creationist believer
Feb 16, 2007

College Slice

first paragraph contains the phrase “According to a report from Thurrott.com”, so i closed it immediately and broke my computer into pieces small enough to fit in the garbage disposal

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

it was either they leak it to thurrot or the verge what do you prefer

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

edit: bug?

PleasureKevin fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 25, 2018

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
a post so nice he made it twice

creationist believer
Feb 16, 2007

College Slice

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

PleasureKevin posted:

it was either they leak it to thurrot or the verge what do you prefer
as a non-technical woman or child, i prefer not to engage with thurrott

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

thurrot is an authority on fools in clown shoes.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



a depressing personage

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
... turn your monitor on

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



bless

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007



I'm the box that magics away latency

does the Xbox one Xbox x even have games that aren't oorah shootmans milporn?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

I'm the box that magics away latency

does the Xbox one Xbox x even have games that aren't oorah shootmans milporn?
it has a wide selection of 360-era indie games

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Sneak King, now on streaming

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

I'm the box that magics away latency

they already promised what they’re describing with the Xbox One and haven’t delivered

but all that’s required for game streaming is servers in the right places

you can do some other stuff, like render the HUD locally. but hit detection? that’s garbage only gamers would understand poorly enough to believe

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

consoles have so much aim assist I don’t think it matters

Stymie
Jan 9, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
lol at there being a microsoft console following the xb1x

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



more like xb0x because you turn 0 degrees and throw it in the trash

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

specifically hit detection would of course be pretty easy to cut latency on, since it is an entirely binary event. have k+1 simultaneous streams running, one for not hitting the firing button at all, and then a cycle of k streams where stream i, for 1<=i<=k, is the simulation of hitting the firing button in l/i ms, where l is the current latency. have the client switch onto the stream closest fitting when the button is indeed pressed

since movement is relatively sluggish it'd probably improve perceived latency a fair bit. i doubt they'd bother doing that though, what with all the overhead, you get most of that effect by just having trusted clients and playing the sound effects (and possibly some of the more simplistic visual effects) at the right moment

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

actually the article says collision detection. so i think you'd need so much data client-side that it would be pointless. and unless it's going to locally render "you've walked into something" on the screen 20 milliseconds faster than the game frame arrives then what is the point.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

seems a bad example. there is a lot of games where it is easy to see streaming being a good enough solution for most gamers, but if low-latency collision detection is needed for precise movement it is hard to see what the solution would be

overall it is not too hard to imagine a lot of solutions that can be done with pretty low computational cost on the client for e.g. a shooter. the noted inserted additional streams for singular events (which could likely be made pretty cheap by interleaving them in the video encode appropriately), plus rendering the scene with a larger viewpoint and stuff that is not in the world view (i.e. hud and a weapon model and so on) separate you can fake fine aim by having the client just pan its sub-viewport on the rendered video until the render catching up, stuff like that. i rather doubt many developers will bother though if middlewares can't deal with most of the work transparently

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


microsoft just wants to use a quarter of the screen to display ads

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

the next xbox will be a normal console, all the streaming stuff is just a way to book a bunch of expected extra revenue for azure and get their budget approved much like all the magic tv deals for the xbone

they will build a game streaming service but it won't be markedly superior to psnow

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
i now only use my old 3rd gen x1 carbon for skype, so i put windows back on it, it came with 7 but i thought id try out win10 1803 on decent hardware and not a VM, somehow the machine already had a license for win10 pro, which was a nice surprise

no microsoft account, of course, and turned off everything for analytics/app suggestions/etc. that i could find

in the middle of a skype call today, i got a notification from some part of windows suggesting that i install some games from the windows store, i thought i had turned off all of that garbage but apparently i missed some

windows 10 bad

pram
Jun 10, 2001
yes it’s a real piece of poo poo

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



winnuke.exe was a grand invention

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

despite being a w10 cheerleader overall it is hard to deny that the initial setup is annoying, and partly for very bad reasons (lets bog things down by installing lovely games in the middle of a major update install being prepared)

also the first time in a while i've been changing the language entirely on a system, and it is a more involved process than makes sense (need to do it for your account, then you need to in a separate step push it to be the default for new accounts and system stuff like login screens, and even then store apps need to all individually update before the change actually happens for them)

still the best os somehow v:shobon:v

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

still the best os somehow v:shobon:v

christ no

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


lord deliver us from windows

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

despite being a w10 cheerleader overall it is hard to deny that the initial setup is annoying, and partly for very bad reasons (lets bog things down by installing lovely games in the middle of a major update install being prepared)

also the first time in a while i've been changing the language entirely on a system, and it is a more involved process than makes sense (need to do it for your account, then you need to in a separate step push it to be the default for new accounts and system stuff like login screens, and even then store apps need to all individually update before the change actually happens for them)

still the best os somehow v:shobon:v

windows is a multiuser system so localization needs to be settable separately by user and system

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Shaggar posted:

windows is a multiuser system so localization needs to be settable separately by user and system

Although since most windows installations aren't cross locale multi user, "settable separately" does not mean "always has to be configured in multiple places" for any reason besides bad design.

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



Chalks posted:

Although since most windows installations aren't cross locale multi user, "settable separately" does not mean "always has to be configured in multiple places" for any reason besides bad design.

have you used windows at all? upon install language and regional settings are set at the system level and for single user systems that is perfectly fine. however options are available to configure language and regional settings per user if the need arises but if it doesn't then you don't care.

i'm getting deja vu here were you the same idiot that complained about powershell execution policy?

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

yeah wouldn’t you need to have locale be configurable per user if you were re-using a VM image or something in multiple locations

idk anything about that sorta thing tho

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Shaggar posted:

windows is a multiuser system so localization needs to be settable separately by user and system

yeah, i mean, it is easy to see how it got the way it is, but the end result for the rather typical user is not as streamlined as it should be. i find the store apps needing updates especially egregious, because nothing informs you of this, and you just randomly have half your stuff in one language and the other half in another until updates start catching up

pram
Jun 10, 2001

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

still the best os somehow v:shobon:v

lol this guy

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

pram posted:

lol this guy

well this is a comedy forum

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
here's a joke: windows 10

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r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

I had to reinstall windows 10 on my cheap lovely acer ryzen laptop to upgrade the bios. It autodetects that it's supposed to have the home edition and loads itself up with freemium crapware during the install, ugh.

It felt really good to overwrite windows 10 with Ubuntu afterwards, I should do this more often. Although it seems to have stopped crashing with the new bios so maybe not.

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