deep dish peat moss posted:

I guess the part I'm really struggling with is in a perfect world I still need to survive at least 5 turns of whittling down shields after reducing the boss to 50% and going all out while it's broken, during which time every other attack by the boss either instakills or applies a sleep/unconscious status to the entire party every other turn.

Harrow posted:

Just know that his Concoct attacks don't do much damage. They're there to help you break guards--Concoct isn't a full replacement for what Scholar does.

That said, once you get a good supply of seeds, dusts, and essences, Concoct will break the game wide open. If you steal from enemies regularly you can build up a big ol' pile of Essences of Pomegranate, which you can combine with Purifying Dust to immediately give 3 BP to your whole team. Every turn, if you want to.

The Apothecary job is nothing special IMO (though Rehabilitate is amazing in some fights, especially with a Dancer giving your Apothecary the ability to multi-target it) but Concoct is incredible.

Bombadilillo posted:

I've got tons of responses. Just very few of the base seeds/dusts. Can you buy those? I never looked. He was the last bro I picked up so hes probably just underleveled week seeming.

ChrisBTY posted:

Yeah.
And probably look up the subquests to see which ones give baller equipment.
And steal a bunch of restorative items.
Is it possible to steal Olive of Life (L) or is there a finite supply in the game world?

It reminds me of trying to get Platinum in Disgaea 5.
I'm almost there. I can do it. I just need to put in the legwork.
And I really don't want to put in the legwork.

Bombadilillo posted:

I've got tons of responses. Just very few of the base seeds/dusts. Can you buy those? I never looked. He was the last bro I picked up so hes probably just underleveled week seeming.

deep dish peat moss posted:

Harrow posted:

Yeah, there are some shops where you can buy seeds and dusts. They're kind of scattered, though, and there's no one shop that sells all of them.

Also, one nice thing about the Apothecary job is how good its divine skill (the last skill in its list to learn) is. That skill makes any items you use multi-target, including Alfyn's concoctions. So if you only have seeds instead of dusts, you can use Dohter's Charity and those seeds will work like dusts. Actually, better than dusts--seeds have a stronger effect because they're single-target. For example, Ruinous Seeds do an attack that hits three times on one target, while Ruinous Dusts do an attack that hits twice. If you have Dohter's Charity active, that means a concoction with a Ruinous Seed is going to be better than one with a Ruinous Dust, because it's still multi-target and it hits one extra time.

Similarly, Purifying Seed + Essence of Pomegranate gives one target 4 BP, while Purifying Dust gives all party members 3 BP. Dohter's Charity makes the Seed one better, because now your whole party gets 4 BP. It owns a whole lot, basically.

It's also worth noting that Concoct doesn't care about Alfyn's stats, I'm pretty sure. The damaging ones are never going to do much damage no matter how high-level Alfyn is, and the healing ones always restore a flat amount.

Harrow posted:

Now that people are pretty far in and/or completing the game, I'm curious whose stories you all find to be the most interesting. So far it seems like most people like Cyrus's and Alfyn's is love-it-or-hate-it, but I'm curious if anyone has a different favorite, too.

IcePhoenix posted:

Both of these were unrelated to the main quest so no bonus points, but that's ok. Side stories are fine and these two do just fine on their own because they help grow the characters.

Harrow posted:

Slight no-details spoiler about this: I'm reasonably sure every character's story relates to the main quest in some way. It just might not be readily apparent, which is certainly the case for Alfyn's.

IcePhoenix posted:

I refuse to believe this is true about Tressa's but I can see it for Alfyn. No comment on H'aanit but if it's related I can't see how it's more than a generic "redeye was created by the baddies" which barely counts at all imo and doesn't change my opinion on her story.

Mordiceius posted:

With Tressa it is about the man who wrote the journal she is following.

deep dish peat moss posted:

I got really frustrated with this game for a while and had to put it down, now I'm coming back and having the same trouble. Help!

My party (Cyrus main, H'aanit, Tressa and Ophelia) is level 60 now - all of my gear is (as far as I've been able to find) the best available at this point in the game. I have almost a million gold saved up because I've been doing a lot of grinding. All 4 characters have over 30k SP banked for when I unlock the secret classes.

My problem is I cannot fathom how any of these secret class bosses are beatable.

deep dish peat moss posted:

multijoe posted:

I'm five hours thirty in and on my fourth Chapter One and I'm starting to think the structure of the game is kinda stupid. The combat system still carries it so far, but sure would be nice if it'd been attached to a coherent, linear narrative

multijoe posted:

I'm five hours thirty in and on my fourth Chapter One and I'm starting to think the structure of the game is kinda stupid. The combat system still carries it so far, but sure would be nice if it'd been attached to a coherent, linear narrative

multijoe posted:

I don't want to neg the game too hard because I'm enjoying it for the visuals and mechanics a fair bit, but I'm probably not going to end up picking up my starting character's story again until the eight or nine hour mark. Just seems a bizarre way to pace a game.

Harrow posted:

Really my only problem is with how the Chapter 1s are structured. I wish they'd just found a way to have you play all of them solo and have the characters meet up some other way.

The only reason for this is because it's a real stretch imagining some of the characters gathering a party as they travel. Sure, some of them would stop and help people along the way, like I definitely think Alfyn, Cyrus, and Ophelia would. But, like, why the hell would Therion take time out of his busy day of stealing and working alone to help Alfyn punch a snake to save his best friend's sister? (Also, why would Therion accept help in his own Chapter 1 after he just goes on a big thing about how he always works alone?) Doesn't Primrose have better things to do than doing crimes in a mansion with Therion or helping Tressa get everyone's stuff back from pirates?

I think having actual scenes where the characters meet up and join forces, but having the Chapter 1s be solo things, probably would feel better there.

After that point, though, I think the structure is really good and fun. I wish that there were opportunities for characters in your party to offer some occasional interjections during story scenes for other characters' stories, but other than that it works great.

MMF Freeway posted:

You could pick it up right now if you want. The order of events is pretty much up to you, although admittedly the first part of the game can drag if you just do all the chapter 1s one after another.

multijoe posted:

Yeah, if the characters had flavour text inside each others stories I don't think i'd have an issue. The large number of characters all having hermetically sealed stories just doesn't gel for me though.

Modus Pwnens posted:

I'm loving this so far but along those lines I'd rather have more character interactions with the game structured for new game+ runs, or even the ability to replay chapters with different parties.

Mordiceius posted:

So it was known that you can farm battle-tested gear from NPCs (at a very low drop rate) but looks like this one guy found a decent setup to farm them quickly. It requires Olberic at 60 so he can challenge the 10* NPCs, but here is the setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDcKKOcqdU Takes about 4 rounds to defeat them.