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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Belkar draws a diagram explaining why the vampire can't be trusted. Please, yes.
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Shugojin posted:Yeah that's an extremely big parallel and I'm not sure what rich is going to do with it I don't really think it's something that's going to be "used" later. The whole memory has been mirroring things that are happening during the battle. I think it's supposed to underscore and/or illustrate just what a distracting/disabling effect the memory has on Nokrud.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:40
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Tenebrais posted:I ain't been vampired! You've been 
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Jul 27, 2018 18:40
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Shugojin posted:Yeah that's an extremely big parallel and I'm not sure what rich is going to do with it Durkon has been the vehicle for his redemption ever since his death, and a big part of it is that he never actively attempted to redeem Belkar, but just extended the selflessness he has for everyone to the person he hated most. In this strip he redeems another evildoer, also through his passive selflessness, even if he somehow found a way to weaponize it.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:42
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Comic in video form
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Jul 27, 2018 18:55
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Was just reading up on the time Durkon turned undead ( ) and realized, dang, this vampire thing has covered a quarter of the comic's runtime up til now. It feels so recent.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:57
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So my guess is Durkon will allow Belkar to stake him, belkar will realise it was the real Durkon having reasserted himself, and this will make his guilt even worse to the point he willingly sacrifices himself to make amends
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Jul 27, 2018 19:19
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McCloud posted:So my guess is Durkon will allow Belkar to stake him, belkar will realise it was the real Durkon having reasserted himself, and this will make his guilt even worse to the point he willingly sacrifices himself to make amends Sacrifice himself to what end, though?
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Jul 27, 2018 19:22
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I'm gobsmacked that all these years of build up were working towards Durkon tricking the vampire into being overwhelmed with the positive feelings of Family and Friendship. This was dumb and I wish I hadn't wasted my time reading it to get this payoff. Though I guess it did make me realize I didn't like the last three arcs I've read, Airship, the Paladin Patreon thing, and this one; so it's pretty definitive that the comic isn't for me anymore.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:36
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Belkar gonna get hit once by something, re-kill Nokrud, and then die when his Barbarian Rage Extra HP go away
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Jul 27, 2018 19:47
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That was... I was shook reading that update. It's obvious something needs to happen between Belkar and Durkon now, but I don't know if it will end with Belkar staking Durkon. The old Belkar absolutely would do it, but I can't wait to see what new Belkar will do.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:54
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The Order of the Stick: No, You Are The Durkon.
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Jul 27, 2018 20:04
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As I was about to eat the last human, Durkon said to me "We probably shouldn't". WE? I thought. There was only one set of footprints on the sand. That's when I realized, I was Durkon.
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Jul 27, 2018 20:11
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"I'm not owned! I'm not owned!" I continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into Durkon Thundershield.
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Jul 27, 2018 20:31
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Perhaps your real alignment was the friends you made along the way
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Jul 27, 2018 20:36
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Archenteron posted:and then die when his Barbarian Rage Extra HP go away
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Jul 27, 2018 20:37
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Archenteron posted:Belkar gonna get hit once by something, re-kill Nokrud, and then die when his Barbarian Rage Extra HP go away Did he take any damage except from Roy's non-lethal?
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Jul 27, 2018 20:40
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Galvanik posted:I'm gobsmacked that all these years of build up were working towards Durkon tricking the vampire into being overwhelmed with the positive feelings of Family and Friendship. This was dumb and I wish I hadn't wasted my time reading it to get this payoff. Maybe you're a negative energy spirit. Edit: Does Durkon doing this ultimately pull of a Wrath of Khan/Spock thingy? New Durkon isn't exactly Old Durkon but is now reasonably close enough? Like a copy? Maybe closer to a Heroic Spirit/Servant? Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jul 27, 2018 |
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Jul 27, 2018 20:43
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Who What Now posted:Did he take any damage except from Roy's non-lethal?
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Jul 27, 2018 20:52
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This book has been a great Eulogy for Durkon Thundershield, and I'm gonna be real sad when he dies for real at the end of it.
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Galvanik posted:I'm gobsmacked that all these years of build up were working towards Durkon tricking the vampire into being overwhelmed with the positive feelings of Family and Friendship. This was dumb and I wish I hadn't wasted my time reading it to get this payoff. Lol ok
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Jul 27, 2018 21:39
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another fun little panel: durkon trying to play what looks like a saxophone and squeaky covering his ears and grimacing
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Jul 27, 2018 21:41
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:another fun little panel: durkon trying to play what looks like a saxophone and squeaky covering his ears and grimacing
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Jul 27, 2018 21:52
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Doesn't Hilgya want to kill Durkon? I can't imagine that she'll just drop that once the domination wears off.
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Jul 27, 2018 21:52
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ultrafilter posted:Doesn't Hilgya want to kill Durkon? I can't imagine that she'll just drop that once the domination wears off. Hell yeah. This is going to be messy.
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Jul 27, 2018 21:53
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ultrafilter posted:Doesn't Hilgya want to kill Durkon? I can't imagine that she'll just drop that once the domination wears off. Durkon has to die, there's no way around that. He's not going to try drinking blood to survive.
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Jul 27, 2018 21:55
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Belkar's going to realize it's the real Durkon and refuse to kill him, only for Hilgya to do the honors happily.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:00
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Yeah I think vamped durkon getting got here is all but certain. Fortunately, the party has one high-level cleric standing by, plus more than a dozen of them less than a day's flight from them that would probably assist, least of all the High Cleric of Thor.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:03
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Roy once said that if you told Durkon that he needed to leave in order to save people, we would break his legs kicking his own rear end out the door. If Belkar or Hilgya did try to kill him, I don't think he would stop them, given the circumstances. EDIT: Man, I can't not read this comic without squeaky voices and cartoonish sound effects, even though this comic has a Vampires head being sawn off.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:08
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Yeah I think vamped durkon getting got here is all but certain. Fortunately, the party has one high-level cleric standing by, plus more than a dozen of them less than a day's flight from them that would probably assist, least of all the High Cleric of Thor. I feel Durkon not dying for real in this arc would be unsatisfying. This has been the perfect coda for his character, and it'll be more interesting for the Order to learn to go on and finish all this without him in the last book.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:14
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Funny bonus in all this: Thor is a canonical (and pretty decent for his level) Persona.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:20
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I feel Durkon not dying for real in this arc would be unsatisfying. This has been the perfect coda for his character, and it'll be more interesting for the Order to learn to go on and finish all this without him in the last book. On the other hand, Thor has a vested interest in not seeing the world destroyed. A high-level priest who's already defeated one of Hel's most powerful minions might be very interesting to him.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:24
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I feel Durkon not dying for real in this arc would be unsatisfying. This has been the perfect coda for his character, and it'll be more interesting for the Order to learn to go on and finish all this without him in the last book. I'm kinda feeling the opposite - I think this arc is a perfect encapsulation of why Durkon would want to be rez'ed. Because he knows that even if they stop Hel's scheme here, Xykon still remains a threat to the last Gate, and after dealing with him, the Snarl itself could become another potential threat to the world. Sure, Durkon could let the Order/Hilgya kill him here, go on to Valhalla for living an honorable life and dying an honorable death after thwarting Hel's plans... but that wouldn't be Durkon to just turn his back on the rest of the world when he knows his help is still needed. If he were capable of that, he wouldn't have sacrificed his life for Belkar's. If anything, I see him dying, maybe briefly getting to visit Valhalla, meeting his father there... and then he leaves when the Order finds a cleric to rez him (there's no guarantee Hilgya would be willing to do so), perhaps with his father asking him if he really has to go back and why can't he just stay and leave the fight to someone else? And Durkon responds that it wouldn't be right for him to just kick back in Valhalla and leave the problem up to someone else when he knows he can make a difference. As Roy put it before they set out from Thor's temple, the Order doesn't need a cleric... it needs Durkon.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:e; So is the implication that the whole "when I have all your memories you stop existing" thing was always a falsehood, or is it that the predomination could always have gone either way without the spirit knowing it? It wasn't "you stop existing" it was "i have no more use for you and just lock you in some corner of the psyche where i never have to even think about you again." After absorbing ALL of her memories. Human-cleric-vampire who's host was really agreeable and had a bunch of repressed evil thoughts probably would've chosen to keep her around for fun color commentary if she lived that long, for example.
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reignonyourparade posted:It wasn't "you stop existing" it was "i have no more use for you and just lock you in some corner of the psyche where i never have to even think about you again." After absorbing ALL of her memories. Human-cleric-vampire who's host was really agreeable and had a bunch of repressed evil thoughts probably would've chosen to keep her around for fun color commentary if she lived that long, for example. With that in mind, this was actually a pretty risky gambit on Durkon's part. If Nokrud hadn't succumbed to it, Durkon would have probably been shoved in the eidetic dog house pretty soon after this was over.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:With that in mind, this was actually a pretty risky gambit on Durkon's part. If Nokrud hadn't succumbed to it, Durkon would have probably been shoved in the eidetic dog house pretty soon after this was over. Yeah well, if the vampire truly won, they'd all be dead anyways
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On the topic of vampires and not existing, what would happen to the spirit if/when Durkon finally gets put down for good? Would he go to an afterlife, back to Hel herself (which would probably be... Unpleasant), or would he just cease to exist? If he goes along with the things people have suggested here, he might be making a bigger sacrifice than Durkon, who died fighting and defending his comrade, so the only reason he's not in Valhalla already was Malack shackling him there; presumably he'd go there when his soul was freed, since things happening after he died denying him that would be pretty ridiculous. Mind, if he is exactly like Durkon now, then he would likely do so anyway. I'm just curious. I remember Malack saying something about dying and being revived changing him and making who he is cease to be, but that might just be referring to the original soul taking charge again, which wasn't known then, rather than the fate of the vampire itself. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jul 27, 2018 |
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Speaking of Malack, this brings the whole notion of who he was before he was vamp'ed into consideration. The vampire inside him had a considerably longer time to acclimate to memories and feelings, so by the time the encounter with Durkon came around, it wasn't quite as disparate as we previously thought?
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XkyRauh posted:Speaking of Malack, this brings the whole notion of who he was before he was vamp'ed into consideration. The vampire inside him had a considerably longer time to acclimate to memories and feelings, so by the time the encounter with Durkon came around, it wasn't quite as disparate as we previously thought? Also the original soul might not retain the literally centuries of memories Malack had, the way it works is not certain
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XkyRauh posted:Speaking of Malack, this brings the whole notion of who he was before he was vamp'ed into consideration. The vampire inside him had a considerably longer time to acclimate to memories and feelings, so by the time the encounter with Durkon came around, it wasn't quite as disparate as we previously thought? Malack was actually a source of theorizing that there was at least SOME internalization going on. IIRC he refers to what we're pretty sure were the hosts brothers as his own (when talking about killing them.)
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