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UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

psydude posted:

It's exactly what you think it is. Withdrawal Afghan and American forces to secure city centers while the strong, bigly Trump diplomatic corps negotiates a political end to the war.

You can swap out Afghan for Vietnamese and Trump for Nixon and suddenly be transported back to 1970.

So he's going to expand on drone strikes in Pakistan and send troops into Iran?

poo poo.

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Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/28/politics/eric-holder-interested-in-being-president/index.html

Eric Holder sounds like he's gearing up to run for President

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]

Gross.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

siri show me someone literally no one will vote for

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Proud Christian Mom posted:

siri show me someone literally no one will vote for

to be fair we all said the same thing in 2015 about the current president

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Dem field in 2020 will be packed with candidates ranging from Gillenbrand to AOC (even though she won't be old enough), and in the end Elon Musk will win by running on a platform of taking credit for saving the Thai boys.

e: Trump will then win reelection, but Democrats will secure a supermajority in the Senate and impeach and convict him, leading to president Pence. Half of the supreme Court will retire or die during that time, leaving five justices on the court (Dems will reject Pence's moves to pack the court with Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Mike Huckabee), with Kavanaugh as the swing vote.

psydude fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jul 29, 2018

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

psydude posted:

Dem field in 2020 will be packed with candidates ranging from Gillenbrand to AOC (even though she won't be old enough), and in the end Elon Musk will win by running on a platform of taking credit for saving the Thai boys.

e: Trump will then win reelection, but Democrats will secure a supermajority in the Senate and impeach and convict him, leading to president Pence. Half of the supreme Court will retire or die during that time, leaving five justices on the court (Dems will reject Pence's moves to pack the court with Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Mike Huckabee), with Kavanaugh as the swing vote.

More likely Pence will die from horsecock-induced peritonitis like Mr. Hands.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
The 2020 primaries are going to be absolutely hilarious. My money is on Gillibrand or Harris making it out alive at this point.

Holder won't make it past the first few states, he's a bad dem with a very public fuckup.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

More likely Pence will die from horsecock-induced peritonitis like Mr. Hands.

In the plausible event that Pence dies of horse cockery before a new VP can be sworn in, Dems temporarily reelect Pelosi as speaker of the house so she can become president to trigger the cons.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Vasudus posted:

The 2020 primaries are going to be absolutely hilarious. My money is on Gillibrand or Harris making it out alive at this point.

Holder won't make it past the first few states, he's a bad dem with a very public fuckup.

Was he the one who lost sleep over Citibank failing?

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

BigDave posted:

Was he the one who lost sleep over Citibank failing?

He was the one that did the whole Fast and Furious deal.

The actual details of it don't matter, he's not a valid choice because of it and he should know that.

edit: he was the one that took responsibility for it, I should specify that part at least.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
Lightpole championed for a corporate cfo



Long pause


*DRAMATIC THUMBS DOWN*

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Vasudus posted:

The 2020 primaries are going to be absolutely hilarious. My money is on Gillibrand or Harris making it out alive at this point.

Holder won't make it past the first few states, he's a bad dem with a very public fuckup.

Oh good, more NY and CA Democrats. That's really what we need right now.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Honestly I don’t give a poo poo who runs. I’m not looking for a perfect candidate and if we vote in the most establishment democrat on the planet I will be happy because that means Trump isn’t there anymore.

So yes, a NY or CA Democrat sounds just fine to me.

If trump wins 2020 it’s not because we couldn’t find someone to beat him, it’s because we live in a poo poo country and it will just be time to accept that we won’t be going back to normalcy without some type of revolution or overthrow.

Seriously we should be able to run an oil painting of a wet bag of poo poo and it should win. Otherwise the country sucks, not the candidate.

boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 29, 2018

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

boop the snoot posted:

Honestly I don’t give a poo poo who runs. I’m not looking for a perfect candidate and if we vote in the most establishment democrat on the planet I will be happy because that means Trump isn’t there anymore.

So yes, a NY or CA Democrat sounds just fine to me.

I'm with you there, but man, talk about uninspiring candidates. What I'm basically saying is I want Duckworth.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

psydude posted:

Oh good, more NY and CA Democrats. That's really what we need right now.

its kinda funny how NY and CA are the deepest blue you can get but they're still like 90s era democrats

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

its kinda funny how NY and CA are the deepest blue you can get but they're still like 90s era democrats

They're great in the legislature, but they really don't instill any excitement or command the trust needed to win a national election. Because when you never have to innovate or sell your position in a competitive atmosphere, why would you ever need to develop the skills to compete on a national scale? It's telling that no Democratic president since Roosevelt has come from either state.

psydude fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jul 29, 2018

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

mods changed my name posted:

Lightpole championed for a corporate cfo



Long pause


*DRAMATIC THUMBS DOWN*

If simply not falling into the trap of negative attribution, or as Jim Mattis says "And do not fall into cynicism, which is just another word in the armed services for cowardice." simply because he says something stupid is championing a CFO, I don't know what to tell you. I don't really see a point in following the mob and calling for his head just because.

I've made a large number of friends with family businesses that have the same mindset, fear of change and uncertainty and hope that this short term pain leads to a better future, while being able to phrase it just slightly better. They all see this from a moral/idealistic standpoint and simply attacking them for it just causes them to dig in deeper and forsake logical thought. The funny thing is that they were and are on a knifes edge over their political beliefs and such attacks just keep them voting Republican.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

LongDarkNight posted:

How do you ask an Afghan to be the last man to die for a mistake?

That's the really hosed up thing. At least with Vietnam some of our true believers got to come to the US. I really doubt we'll be pushing helicopters off the flight deck this time to get Afghan nationals out of the country.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
I don't want a NY/CA establishment democrat either. But we're not going to get one.

AOC won't be eligible until 2024, which hopefully means 2028 as presumably there's a democrat in office already in 2020. My hope is that the floodgates open and progressive candidates pop up in 2020.

edit: correction, viable progressive candidates. Just because I would vote for someone on a guillotine for the rich platform doesn't mean they'll actually get elected.

Vasudus fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jul 29, 2018

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Arven posted:

That's the really hosed up thing. At least with Vietnam some of our true believers got to come to the US. I really doubt we'll be pushing helicopters off the flight deck this time to get Afghan nationals out of the country.

We're already curtailing visas for interpreters.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
*THUMBS EVEN MORE DRAMATICALLY DOWN*

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Vasudus posted:

I don't want a NY/CA establishment democrat either. But we're not going to get one.

AOC won't be eligible until 2024, which hopefully means 2028 as presumably there's a democrat in office already in 2020. My hope is that the floodgates open and progressive candidates pop up in 2020.

edit: correction, viable progressive candidates. Just because I would vote for someone on a guillotine for the rich platform doesn't mean they'll actually get elected.

AOC is a NY Democrat from a non-competitive district. She's going to run into the same problem as everyone else who matches that criteria.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


lightpole posted:

The funny thing is that they were and are on a knifes edge over their political beliefs and such attacks just keep them voting Republican.

As someone from South Louisiana. Lmao at this.

If by 'political' beliefs you mean boogey man statements on minorities or immigrants?

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

psydude posted:

They're great in the legislature, but they really don't instill any excitement or command the trust needed to win a national election. Because when you never have to innovate or sell your position in a competitive atmosphere, why would you ever need to develop the skills to compete on a national scale? It's telling that no Democratic president since Roosevelt has come from either state.

thats a good point on how I feel about them. I don't hate schumer the way some people do. Feinstein needs to loving go though

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017

lightpole posted:

The funny thing is that they were and are on a knifes edge over their political beliefs and such attacks just keep them voting Republican.

if somebody attacks someone for them having X beliefs it didn't make them become Y group which holds the value of X

like thats the dumbest poo poo: I wasnt a NAZI until LIEBERALS called me a NAZI

thats the logic youre using. its dumb as gently caress

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

psydude posted:

AOC is a NY Democrat from a non-competitive district. She's going to run into the same problem as everyone else who matches that criteria.

She's the only thing we have resembling hope in this dark timeline.

I'm personally hoping there's enough progressive candidates in 2020 to make a leftist freedom caucus, with enough juice to poo poo on people. Probably won't happen.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

lightpole posted:

If simply not falling into the trap of negative attribution, or as Jim Mattis says "And do not fall into cynicism, which is just another word in the armed services for cowardice." simply because he says something stupid is championing a CFO, I don't know what to tell you. I don't really see a point in following the mob and calling for his head just because.

I've made a large number of friends with family businesses that have the same mindset, fear of change and uncertainty and hope that this short term pain leads to a better future, while being able to phrase it just slightly better. They all see this from a moral/idealistic standpoint and simply attacking them for it just causes them to dig in deeper and forsake logical thought. The funny thing is that they were and are on a knifes edge over their political beliefs and such attacks just keep them voting Republican.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the world around you.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


How to win an electorate in Louisiana.

1. Be white.
2. Say abortion is murder constantly.
3. Guns guns guns.
4. Vague anti welfare anti union rhetoric.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Vasudus posted:

She's the only thing we have resembling hope in this dark timeline.

I'm personally hoping there's enough progressive candidates in 2020 to make a leftist freedom caucus, with enough juice to poo poo on people. Probably won't happen.

I'm holding out for Duckworth. She's got a broad appeal and a solid legislative record. She's not the most progressive Democratic in the Senate, but she would be able to ably handle the functions of the presidency unlike the current guy, while enabling progressive congressional Democrats to push the legislative agenda leftward.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
"The day some alt right called me a cuck is the day i decided I should join the dsa"

Weird how you never hear it go that way, only when it ends up affiliating with retarded conservative mindset poo poo,🤔🤔🤔

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
It's like all conservatives are weak minded rubes impressed by sociopathic "job creators"

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Arven posted:

That's the really hosed up thing. At least with Vietnam some of our true believers got to come to the US. I really doubt we'll be pushing helicopters off the flight deck this time to get Afghan nationals out of the country.

I'm thinking of one bit in Babchenko's "One Soldier's War" where they're leaving after the first Chechen war has ended:

quote:

In Achkhoi-Martan we pass a block post manned by Chechen militia officers who had fought on our side. As usual there is a site hut, but this one has been so riddled with bullets that not a single bit of it is unscathed. It’s impossible to live inside, but that’s their home now.
Two officers stand in front of the block post, one of them wounded, his arm hanging in a dirty bandage. They watch our column in silence. Their entire arsenal amounts to two rifles.
We know that they will probably be killed this very night, and they know it too. We have betrayed them.
‘Don’t leave us behind,’ one of them says finally.
We turn away.
The column drives past and the dust settles on their hair and eyelashes.
I see them before my eyes for a long time after, these ghosts on the roadside at Achkhoi-Martan.
Forgive us, lads.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Harris/Booker is our darkest timeline, we learned nothing candidates

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
man i remember when harris was considered this amazing super radical awesome woman who we all hoped would be president someday

and now two months later she's too conservative



gently caress booker tho

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The Iron Rose posted:

man i remember when harris was considered this amazing super radical awesome woman who we all hoped would be president someday

and now two months later she's too conservative



gently caress booker tho

It's not that she's too conservative. It's that she's a boring, uninspiring candidate like every other NY and CA Democrat.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Bernie

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

mods changed my name posted:

"The day some alt right called me a cuck is the day i decided I should join the dsa"

Weird how you never hear it go that way, only when it ends up affiliating with retarded conservative mindset poo poo,🤔🤔🤔

This. The playbook since 2015 or 2016 is relentless attacks from the right saying all non rightwing people are miserable snowflakes etc or socialists or communists. But if you talk shot about me, an Independent, I swear to god I’ll go full hardcore conservative and hand out flowers to ICE agents.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Harris was touting her 'tough on crime' role as AG a few weeks ago which tells you just how lovely she is

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Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009



would of won

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