Edgar posted:

But with my BS in computer science and software engineering and 4 years experience, I hope to make at least 50k and have PTO benefits so I can take a non-weekend vacation for the first time.

Spatial posted:

It is though. There are no other first world countries with no paid paternity leave, or no legally required holidays etc.

You guys are getting hosed and told it's normal and happening everywhere. It isn't.

spacetoaster posted:

I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case.

But honestly life in merica is pretty sweet if you've got money.

dee eight posted:

The day I am eligible for medicare is the day I retire. I'll take my diminished social security (because I didn't work for another year and 2 months). I'll live for another 5 or 10 years in relative poverty and leave nothing for my heirs except an old beater truck and decades of hoarded stuff to deal with.

e: this will mean one more job opening for meh wages and so-so bennies. get your resumes ready kids.

spacetoaster posted:

I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case.

But honestly life in merica is pretty sweet if you've got money.

spacetoaster posted:

I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case.

But honestly life in merica is pretty sweet if you've got money.

Edgar posted:

I think it is something called FTE (full time equivalent). I've been updating my resume and will be applying elsewhere, this is my first tech job (13 years industrial sandblasting/painting before this)

But with my BS in computer science and software engineering and 4 years experience, I hope to make at least 50k and have PTO benefits so I can take a non-weekend vacation for the first time.

ate all the Oreos posted:

A BS in CS and 4 years experience should get you at least six figgies buddy, aim higher

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

You're getting expropriated when we go full communist. Or fascist

DisgracelandUSA posted:

If this is his first tech job, he doesn't actually have 4 years experience. But an entry level engineer gig at a good place can get you close to 100k already, so aim high.

DisgracelandUSA posted:

If this is his first tech job, he doesn't actually have 4 years experience. But an entry level engineer gig at a good place can get you close to 100k already, so aim high.

Edgar posted:

It is my first tech job, been there for 4 years

ate all the Oreos posted:

For comparison I dropped out of college half way through a CS degree, worked a poo poo job programming for 4 years for like $45k max, then left to take my current job as a senior developer where I make big buxx, live within walking distance to work, get full benefits and time off, nice working conditions with understanding, compassionate management and even have people working under me. You'll do fine, good luck

ate all the Oreos posted:

For comparison I dropped out of college half way through a CS degree, worked a poo poo job programming for 4 years for like $45k max, then left to take my current job as a senior developer where I make big buxx, live within walking distance to work, get full benefits and time off, nice working conditions with understanding, compassionate management and even have people working under me. You'll do fine, good luck

PokeJoe posted:

My dumbass learned how to program on youtube and I make the big computer buxx too with less experience than him. I know some other people with less experience than him with triple his income probably doing the same work as him, and they're dumbasses too. He's getting majorly ripped off by his employer. The good thing is this can be instantly rectified with a new job!

Inzombiac posted:

See, I should do something about my current situation. I'm extremely secure but my pay is pretty bad.

I'm 31 and the thought of restarting my career is daunting but what the hell do I have to lose?

spacetoaster posted:

Hmmmmm. Will there still be a job for guys with guns?

Spatial posted:

It is though. There are no other first world countries with no paid paternity leave, or no legally required holidays etc.

You guys are getting hosed and told it's normal and happening everywhere. It isn't.

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

Lol if you think foreigners will be allowed guns

is pepsi ok posted:

You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person. But then the right kept screeching about minorities and used that to get into power and undo all the gains that working people made.

Good thing there's nothing like that going on in those enlightened European countries, right?

is pepsi ok posted:

You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person.*

Harald posted:

I've never met a nice South African

Zzulu posted:

Fun fact, Europe is cursed to go to war forever so we'll soon start some huge war that'll wipeout two thirds of the population. Then we get to start over

Russia will probably invade Finland or something and then some clown will set off a nuke or whatever

PokeJoe posted:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you could be making 150k on the coasts depending on your specialty my friend

is pepsi ok posted:

You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person. But then the right kept screeching about minorities and used that to get into power and undo all the gains that working people made.

Good thing there's nothing like that going on in those enlightened European countries, right?

PokeJoe posted:

Do it. Do you want to be 41 and making this same post? Realistically it took me about 2 to 3 years to switch careers while I was learning.

Inzombiac posted:

I wouldn't even know where to start and what's valuable these days.

Last time I did any coding was in C but that was 15 years ago and I don't remember any of it.
I could hack some VB, maybe haha.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Bismuth posted:

Hi, I'm here to over-analyze this stupid poster

Ok so...365 days a year, 52 weeks, 2 days off per week, so 365-104=261, so far so good

"16 hours away from work each day" I think this is the first mistake, since when people say 8 hour work day they mean 8 hours of work, not 8 hours at work, a 9-5 job means 9 hours at work, with 1 hour I guess at lunch/breaks. So its actually more like 15 hours away each day not counting commute so

Poster: "used up 170 days, leaving 91 available" 261days * 16hours = 4176hours /24hours = 174 days = 87 days "left"
-the poster hosed its own math up right here

I think this is the part where it really breaks down, because it started off talking about work days, not hours worked, and now its talking about pure work hours. Also lol at it getting its own stupid math wrong.

"You spend 30 minutes each day on coffee break, that accounts for 23 days each year" the last part messed this all up so much its kind of pointless, because 1. those breaks are already taken out of the work day, and 2. this is no longer talking about work DAYS its been converted into hours but I'll play along

Poster: 30mins * 87days = 43.5hrs = 1.8125days???
-Well they're obviously using their own math not mine so it should be 30mins * 91days=45.5hrs =1.89days
-Oh maybe they're going back to the 261? 30mins*261days= 130.5hrs = 5.4375days???
--Ok last try, maybe they're accidentally including lunch here too, so lets go with the 261 thing again. 90mins*261days=391.5hrs =16.3125days
---I give up, I have no idea how they got 23 days. I'm going with the middle one because it makes the most logical sense in this logic-free shitshow so 87-5.43 = 81.56 days "left"

"with a one hour lunch period each day you have used up another 6 days, leaving only 22 available for work"

Poster: They take 68 days, subtract 6, and get 22. I think I'm done analyzing this, there's nothing left to say, except what the gently caress.
If they did their math though, there's absolutely no way to get 6 days. Using 68 gets you 2.8, so 65.2 days left, using 81 gets you 3.375, so 77.63 left, and using 261 gets 10.87, so either 57.13 or 70.13 left. There's no way to get 22 without hitting yourself in the head with a rock repeatedly.

"normally have 2 days per year of sick leave, this leaves only 20 days available for work. We are off for 5 holidays per year, so your available working time is down to 15 days. "

Poster: so yeah again, they got to 22 from nowhere, which does make all this work, except that these 7 days off are not 7 straight days. That would be 168hours, these 7 days off actually represent about 56 hours off, so 2.3 days of work time.
-So using the outofass 22, you actually get 19.7 days left
-Using the more reasonable 77.63, you get 75.33 days left

"We generously give you 14 days vacation per year which leaves only 1 day available for work"
Obviously this is stupid because anyone with half a brain can tell that if they work even one 40 hour week they've already worked more than 1 day of straight work. Either way, that 14 days is not 14 days of pure work, its 80 hours, which is 3.3 days of straight work, so using their dumb logic + correct math this thing actually ends up with 16.4 days of straight work aka 393.6hrs, aka 43.7 actual work days.

Now, if you take the original 261 and remove 2 sick days, 5 holidays, and 14 vacation days you get 240 work days, which seems fairly reasonable. So take a day or two off.

Sentient Data posted:

9-5 is a myth. Most places aren't paid lunch, so it's 8:00-12:00 + 13:00-17:00