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Edgar posted:But with my BS in computer science and software engineering and 4 years experience, I hope to make at least 50k and have PTO benefits so I can take a non-weekend vacation for the first time. A BS in CS and 4 years experience should get you at least six figgies buddy, aim higher
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:21 |
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Spatial posted:It is though. There are no other first world countries with no paid paternity leave, or no legally required holidays etc. It's really not. Europe will be fine as long as capitalism can exploit the third world. The US is just a really wealthy third world country but if we ever become a social democracy or economically collapse instead of destroying capitalism world wide you're going to be seeing the same creeping self immolation the US experiences. Capitalism requires infinite growth and if the fattest cow dies from its bloated parasite it won't just shrug and call it quits.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:24 |
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spacetoaster posted:I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case. lol the elusive europrepper
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:27 |
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dee eight posted:The day I am eligible for medicare is the day I retire. I'll take my diminished social security (because I didn't work for another year and 2 months). I'll live for another 5 or 10 years in relative poverty and leave nothing for my heirs except an old beater truck and decades of hoarded stuff to deal with. When I was working construction, the union retirement was "30 years or age 55" for qualifying for full retirement. I told my mom I was gonna retire at 55 from that and she goes "you can't retire at 55! You won't be eligible for social security!" And I was like "lol that won't even exist when I'm retirement age"
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:28 |
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I live in Sweden and I've never had a single day of paid vacation. A lot of people are stuck in the temporary / part-time employment hell and don't qualify, and have no vacations or a liveable retirement to look forward to. Not saying that Sweden isn't a socialist heaven compared to the US, but we're slowly but surely getting screwed by capitalism as well. It's just that the middle-class is coddled so of course they don't give a poo poo.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:29 |
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spacetoaster posted:I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case. lmao once things get bad for the rich in America they'll be bad world wide dummy.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:33 |
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spacetoaster posted:I've got a house, and bank account, in europe just in case. You're getting expropriated when we go full communist. Or fascist
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:35 |
Edgar posted:I think it is something called FTE (full time equivalent). I've been updating my resume and will be applying elsewhere, this is my first tech job (13 years industrial sandblasting/painting before this) aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you could be making 150k on the coasts depending on your specialty my friend
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:36 |
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So I just calculated it all out and my American job gives me: 20 days vacation, soon to rise to 30 15 days sick You can use sick for vacation if you've run out There is a culture of guilt surrounding using your leave BUT I'm firmly in the camp of "not my loving problem". If they want to understaff us then they can deal with the consequences. I can't ever get fired unless I assault someone but I also make next to nothing, money wise.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:44 |
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ate all the Oreos posted:A BS in CS and 4 years experience should get you at least six figgies buddy, aim higher If this is his first tech job, he doesn't actually have 4 years experience. But an entry level engineer gig at a good place can get you close to 100k already, so aim high.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 21:58 |
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I used to work for some rear end in a top hat who forbid family emergency time during half the year. Same employer also fired several employees for being late to work on a day where there was a foot of snow coming down in the morning. Also turned down someone's PTO request to go to a funeral because "great uncle wasn't a blood relative" He ultimately lost half the business in a divorce because while he was setting up a design shop in Manila so he could fire all the American graphic designers, he was two-timing.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:00 |
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:You're getting expropriated when we go full communist. Or fascist Hmmmmm. Will there still be a job for guys with guns?
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:07 |
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DisgracelandUSA posted:If this is his first tech job, he doesn't actually have 4 years experience. But an entry level engineer gig at a good place can get you close to 100k already, so aim high. It is my first tech job, been there for 4 years
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DisgracelandUSA posted:If this is his first tech job, he doesn't actually have 4 years experience. But an entry level engineer gig at a good place can get you close to 100k already, so aim high. He said he did sandblasting or something for 12 years, then got a BS in CS, then 4 years experience. Dude should be getting at least 100k
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:08 |
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Edgar posted:It is my first tech job, been there for 4 years For comparison I dropped out of college half way through a CS degree, worked a poo poo job programming for 4 years for like $45k max, then left to take my current job as a senior developer where I make big buxx, live within walking distance to work, get full benefits and time off, nice working conditions with understanding, compassionate management and even have people working under me. You'll do fine, good luck
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ate all the Oreos posted:For comparison I dropped out of college half way through a CS degree, worked a poo poo job programming for 4 years for like $45k max, then left to take my current job as a senior developer where I make big buxx, live within walking distance to work, get full benefits and time off, nice working conditions with understanding, compassionate management and even have people working under me. You'll do fine, good luck Thanks!
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:13 |
ate all the Oreos posted:For comparison I dropped out of college half way through a CS degree, worked a poo poo job programming for 4 years for like $45k max, then left to take my current job as a senior developer where I make big buxx, live within walking distance to work, get full benefits and time off, nice working conditions with understanding, compassionate management and even have people working under me. You'll do fine, good luck My dumbass learned how to program on youtube and I make the big computer buxx too with less experience than him. I know some other people with less experience than him with triple his income probably doing the same work as him, and they're dumbasses too. He's getting majorly ripped off by his employer. The good thing is this can be instantly rectified with a new job!
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:16 |
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PokeJoe posted:My dumbass learned how to program on youtube and I make the big computer buxx too with less experience than him. I know some other people with less experience than him with triple his income probably doing the same work as him, and they're dumbasses too. He's getting majorly ripped off by his employer. The good thing is this can be instantly rectified with a new job! See, I should do something about my current situation. I'm extremely secure but my pay is pretty bad. I'm 31 and the thought of restarting my career is daunting but what the hell do I have to lose?
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Inzombiac posted:See, I should do something about my current situation. I'm extremely secure but my pay is pretty bad. Do it. Do you want to be 41 and making this same post? Realistically it took me about 2 to 3 years to switch careers while I was learning.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:27 |
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spacetoaster posted:Hmmmmm. Will there still be a job for guys with guns? Lol if you think foreigners will be allowed guns
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:28 |
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My friend's psychologist worked as a mechanic for like 20 years before he decided he hated it and went back to school and got a PhD at like 45. It's never too late to improve your life
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:30 |
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Spatial posted:It is though. There are no other first world countries with no paid paternity leave, or no legally required holidays etc. You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person. But then the right kept screeching about minorities and used that to get into power and undo all the gains that working people made. Good thing there's nothing like that going on in those enlightened European countries, right?
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Lol if you think foreigners will be allowed guns Smart.
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is pepsi ok posted:You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person. But then the right kept screeching about minorities and used that to get into power and undo all the gains that working people made. thanks for single handedly creating the refugee crisis in europe, america
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is pepsi ok posted:You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person.* * only the white ones
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:46 |
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I've never met a nice South African
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:48 |
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Harald posted:I've never met a nice South African Well that's not bloody surprising
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:49 |
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Fun Fact: US test scores are actually right up there with Europe's on everything... if you exclude poor majority-black areas like inner cities. Turns out we just really suck at funding and educating minorities, which is a problem that I'm sure Europe definitely won't have too as their demographics change, no sir
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:51 |
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Fun fact, Europe is cursed to go to war forever so we'll soon start some huge war that'll wipeout two thirds of the population. Then we get to start over Russia will probably invade Finland or something and then some clown will set off a nuke or whatever
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:54 |
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Zzulu posted:Fun fact, Europe is cursed to go to war forever so we'll soon start some huge war that'll wipeout two thirds of the population. Then we get to start over it'll be an "annexation" after pro-Russian groups hold independence referendums
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 22:55 |
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PokeJoe posted:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you could be making 150k on the coasts depending on your specialty my friend I guess it depends on where it is specifically too though. I got an email about a biostat job paying 160K, but it was in SF.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 23:02 |
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is pepsi ok posted:You know once upon a time there were strong labor unions in the US, and the rich were heavily taxed, and the government actually created programs to help the average person. But then the right kept screeching about minorities and used that to get into power and undo all the gains that working people made.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 23:19 |
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PokeJoe posted:Do it. Do you want to be 41 and making this same post? Realistically it took me about 2 to 3 years to switch careers while I was learning. I wouldn't even know where to start and what's valuable these days. Last time I did any coding was in C but that was 15 years ago and I don't remember any of it. I could hack some VB, maybe haha.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 23:25 |
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Inzombiac posted:I wouldn't even know where to start and what's valuable these days. Eh, if you did it once it'll come back. C is still around and Java traces back to C so going from that to Java won't be too hard. Same with C#; it's just all C in the end.
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# ? Jul 29, 2018 23:56 |
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Hi, I'm here to over-analyze this stupid poster Ok so...365 days a year, 52 weeks, 2 days off per week, so 365-104=261, so far so good "16 hours away from work each day" I think this is the first mistake, since when people say 8 hour work day they mean 8 hours of work, not 8 hours at work, a 9-5 job means 9 hours at work, with 1 hour I guess at lunch/breaks. So its actually more like 15 hours away each day not counting commute so Poster: "used up 170 days, leaving 91 available" 261days * 16hours = 4176hours /24hours = 174 days = 87 days "left" -the poster hosed its own math up right here I think this is the part where it really breaks down, because it started off talking about work days, not hours worked, and now its talking about pure work hours. Also lol at it getting its own stupid math wrong. "You spend 30 minutes each day on coffee break, that accounts for 23 days each year" the last part messed this all up so much its kind of pointless, because 1. those breaks are already taken out of the work day, and 2. this is no longer talking about work DAYS its been converted into hours but I'll play along Poster: 30mins * 87days = 43.5hrs = 1.8125days??? -Well they're obviously using their own math not mine so it should be 30mins * 91days=45.5hrs =1.89days -Oh maybe they're going back to the 261? 30mins*261days= 130.5hrs = 5.4375days??? --Ok last try, maybe they're accidentally including lunch here too, so lets go with the 261 thing again. 90mins*261days=391.5hrs =16.3125days ---I give up, I have no idea how they got 23 days. I'm going with the middle one because it makes the most logical sense in this logic-free shitshow so 87-5.43 = 81.56 days "left" "with a one hour lunch period each day you have used up another 6 days, leaving only 22 available for work" Poster: They take 68 days, subtract 6, and get 22. I think I'm done analyzing this, there's nothing left to say, except what the gently caress. If they did their math though, there's absolutely no way to get 6 days. Using 68 gets you 2.8, so 65.2 days left, using 81 gets you 3.375, so 77.63 left, and using 261 gets 10.87, so either 57.13 or 70.13 left. There's no way to get 22 without hitting yourself in the head with a rock repeatedly. "normally have 2 days per year of sick leave, this leaves only 20 days available for work. We are off for 5 holidays per year, so your available working time is down to 15 days. " Poster: so yeah again, they got to 22 from nowhere, which does make all this work, except that these 7 days off are not 7 straight days. That would be 168hours, these 7 days off actually represent about 56 hours off, so 2.3 days of work time. -So using the outofass 22, you actually get 19.7 days left -Using the more reasonable 77.63, you get 75.33 days left "We generously give you 14 days vacation per year which leaves only 1 day available for work" Obviously this is stupid because anyone with half a brain can tell that if they work even one 40 hour week they've already worked more than 1 day of straight work. Either way, that 14 days is not 14 days of pure work, its 80 hours, which is 3.3 days of straight work, so using their dumb logic + correct math this thing actually ends up with 16.4 days of straight work aka 393.6hrs, aka 43.7 actual work days. Now, if you take the original 261 and remove 2 sick days, 5 holidays, and 14 vacation days you get 240 work days, which seems fairly reasonable. So take a day or two off.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 01:05 |
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Bismuth posted:Hi, I'm here to over-analyze this stupid poster thanks I had no idea why that poster was bullshit but now I know
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 01:06 |
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I must be horrible at math but isn't 9-5 only 8 hours?
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 01:20 |
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9-5 is a myth. Most places aren't paid lunch, so it's 8:00-12:00 + 13:00-17:00
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Sentient Data posted:9-5 is a myth. Most places aren't paid lunch, so it's 8:00-12:00 + 13:00-17:00 Hell most jobs I've had where you get a lunch they just tack that time to your day. Work days at Walmart are 9 hours long to cover your one hour lunch. My current office job gives you an 8.5 hour day to make up for the lunch.
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