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They might try to mutually ignore that they're all hopelessly addicted to a superdrug which cements their power over the plebs with its mind-expansion and life-extension properties. Speaking of, do we ever even see anyone live a long time because of spice? Dudes like the Baron and Shaddam in Dune 1 are like, in their early 80s but they're all getting their accounts in order like they're about to keel over any year now. I'd say he put the live-extension in as an afterthought but it's mentioned too much for that.
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The Guildsmen do it specifically for space travel, but they know about the rest of it too. They are mainly concerned with monopoly. That's why no one sees a third stage nav (with eyes or second sight) until after Muad'Dib. The third stage in the movie was just put there to weird things up and reaffirm that yes, this is a space time pew pew laser movie. In the later books, the Bene Gesserit say they can extend their lives much longer, but they choose not to for social balance. So you live to be 200 or so if you have a regular diet of spice. Part of the reason they got angry at the Honored Matres was that they flaunted that rule and used BG methods to live for several centuries.
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phasmid posted:The Guildsmen do it specifically for space travel, but they know about the rest of it too. They are mainly concerned with monopoly. That's why no one sees a third stage nav (with eyes or second sight) until after Muad'Dib. The third stage in the movie was just put there to weird things up and reaffirm that yes, this is a space time pew pew laser movie. Huh, I forgot how secretive they were about 3rd stagers. Possibly because i love Edric and how he's this megacorporate executive with mystical powers who literally lives in drugs 24/7, but then in the conspiracy meetings he's just this dweeb the others ridicule and remind that he's mostly just there to be a psychic signal jammer. And in Messiah they mention how serious the Bene Gesserit about their "don't use your metabolic powers to stop your aging" rule. They've spent millennia carefully cultivating a persona of "mysterious witches with spooky powers, who are feared but respected. Becoming immortal too would push public resentment too high. Alia/Harkonnen's ghost did it. and it's one example of why they had to go.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Huh, I forgot how secretive they were about 3rd stagers. Possibly because i love Edric and how he's this megacorporate executive with mystical powers who literally lives in drugs 24/7, but then in the conspiracy meetings he's just this dweeb the others ridicule and remind that he's mostly just there to be a psychic signal jammer. Right you are. I totally forgot the part where Alia reveals herself to Jessica. On that note, I differ from people in the thread who didn't like Jessica in three. She could help Farad'n but not her own children. And her grandkids didn't need her help much, really. I thought her story was pretty brutal and sad.
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Dune Wiki posted:Frank Herbert got the name "Harkonnen" from the Finnish name "Härkönen", which he found in a California telephone book. He wanted a harsh-sounding name for the villains of his novel, and "Harkonnen" sounded "Soviet". I don't see it, from either way of pronouncing it. Or does it mean that "Harkonnen" sounds like a Russian name?
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Either Frank Herbert was a dumbass or this info about Harkonnen sounding soviet to him is from "Dreamer of Dune", the Hugo award nominated biography of Frank Herbert, by his son @duneauthor Edit: yes Anne Frank Funk fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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I thought I read somewhere that Harkonnen is a Finnish name or something.
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Yes certainly a man as meticulous as Frank who grew up during WWII wouldn’t see anything weird with calling a Finnish name Soviet.
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I guess that explains why @duneauthor describes Baron Harkonnen as being a literal descendant of Stalin in the Harkonnen standalone novel
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Communist Walrus posted:I guess that explains why @duneauthor describes Baron Harkonnen as being a literal descendant of Stalin in the Harkonnen standalone novel What the gently caress
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Yes certainly a man as meticulous as Frank who grew up during WWII wouldn’t see anything weird with calling a Finnish name Soviet. I mean, in that very war, the Soviet Union invaded and annexed a chunk of Finland, namely eastern Karelia. Soviet Finns were an actual thing.
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Yeah but I bet they weren’t thrilled about it
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Ol' baron's name was Vladimir and that should be plenty to assuage the red scare enthusiasts among your readers. But treating the Harkonnen name as anything close to soviet/communist is just silly. It's like saying that "Von Braun" has that American dream tinge to it.
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nooo Brian don't do it https://twitter.com/DuneAuthor/status/1024149405157314560?s=09
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Communist Walrus posted:I guess that explains why @duneauthor describes Baron Harkonnen as being a literal descendant of Stalin in the Harkonnen standalone novel GODDAMMIT QUIT CALLING HIM THAT
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10000 years in the future or whatever, Bene Jesuit/ Lazarus Long breeding program or not, everyone must be a decedent of Stalin if anyone is
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It's like, 20,000 years in the future. Literally everyone would be descended from anyone living today, provided they have grandchildren etc. Only 5000 years pass between Dune and Heretics of Dune, and like, basically every main character is an Atreides descendent with the requisite strong facial features and Jessica-esque Dick Sucking Lips. And a lot of those are descendants of Siona, which is only in the past 1500 years. Liquid Dinosaur fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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Mister Speaker posted:nooo Brian don't do it I fear these more than any Trump message.
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Mister Speaker posted:nooo Brian don't do it Get your own loving ideas you pair of goddammed hack frauds. Stop riding on other people's coattails. God I hate you both.
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Mister Speaker posted:nooo Brian don't do it It’s about gholas living as single people in nineties New York, mostly hanging around Leto’s apartment.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:It’s about gholas living as single people in nineties New York, mostly hanging around Leto’s apartment. Last Days of Dune or Arrakeen Psycho?
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SPACE HOMOS posted:Last Days of Dune or Arrakeen Psycho? Nice, but I was thinking more like “what’s the deal with heighliner food?”
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Is anyone here an imperial ecologist!?
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:It’s about gholas living as single people in nineties New York, mostly hanging around Leto’s apartment. You're still in sietch at ten and jihad began at eight You've split the water of life, so far things are going great Reverend mother warned you there'd be days like these But she didn't tell you when you brought the galaxy down to your knees that The tribe'll be there for you
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The Bloop posted:Bene Jesuit wwwwwwait is this what that's supposed to be?? 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:wwwwwwait is this what that's supposed to be?? Could be. A lot of Dune words are just meant to be real-word-adjacent to evoke things. Zensunni, etc (I guess the Vajrayanashiites just didn't make it)
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tight aspirations posted:You're still in sietch at ten and jihad began at eight Fatima: What does Jamis actually do? Sheena: He’s a - a... j-jihadster! Fatima: That’s not even a word! *unsheathes crysknife*
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Lol is Brian Herberts Twitter handle really @DuneAuthor? I hope somebody rides on his dumb rear end for that every time he posts, what a loving tool
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Crash_N_Burn posted:Lol is Brian Herberts Twitter handle really @DuneAuthor? I hope somebody rides on his dumb rear end for that every time he posts, what a loving tool It is
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Zeniel posted:I thought I read somewhere that Harkonnen is a Finnish name or something. Sort of. Härkönen (pronounced Haerkoenen) is a semi-common surname here.
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And it more or less historically means "Ox-owner", as in a farm-owner who had enough money to afford an ox.
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Der Kyhe posted:And it more or less historically means "Ox-owner", as in a farm-owner who had enough money to afford an ox. Destination Void confirmed Dune prequel That book is intensely Bad Herbert
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So, what? Now they're gonna try to ruin those books? If their aim is to ruin Alpha Centauri, Sid Meier already beat them to it. e. Unless you're saying that they're trying to tie those books in with Dune or something. Either way, I liked parts of them. I think they were all co-authored with Bill Ransom, but they feel pretty distinctly Herbertian.
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General Battuta posted:Destination Void confirmed Dune prequel I think you mean good
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The joke is that the supercomputer in that book is the Ox.
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I wondered why in the Westwood games a horned beast was the Harkonnen seal. I thought it was a bull, in reference to the one that killed Leto I. But maybe it was an ox? A communist Finnish ox?
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