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man i hate when i finish a sidequest then only afterward see a better way to do it i did the singing girl one by beating up her dad(i beat up the debt-collector first and nothing happened) then later i find a bar with a dude who's like GOLLY I WISH I COULD FIND A NEW SINGER and i'm like "gently caress"
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Bombadilillo posted:Leghold makes me use hunter as a secondary for thief or warrior. But hannit def gets worse as the game goes on. Yeah, I was really big on H'aanit at the beginning of the game, but it's weird how she seemed to fall off. I used to be crazy about the AoE move from Linde, but her skills were pretty weak unless something was weak to arrows, and even then, she didn't have a big enough SP pool to use Arrowstorm very often. And once I started using her animals more often, it was just a pain in the rear end to keep trying and failing to catch them. I swapped her out for Olberic when I was just starting to get over her, and I really intended to put her back in after Olberic's chapter, but I never wanted to go back.
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Aug 1, 2018 02:02
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Yeah the only reason I think I'd trot H'aanit around is for her big healing monsters. If she actually had a decent SP pool to offset Arrowstorm's SP cost that'd be something, but her only real advantage over Olberic is more Eva and slightly more Acc/Crit. Unlike Olberic she doesn't even get weapon skills for both her weapon types. Hunter is truly a bad job saved by one skill and some decent stats.
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Aug 1, 2018 02:48
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ApplesandOranges posted:Hunter is truly a bad job saved by one skill and some decent stats. Second Serving and Patience are also very very good.
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Aug 1, 2018 02:53
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Haanit's advantage is that she can play support because Leg Trap is that busted.
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Aug 1, 2018 02:55
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Some Numbers posted:Second Serving and Patience are also very very good. this is true imo Hunter is decent in that it synergizes well with something that adds more weapon coverage and better active skills but its the kind of thing where if I have say, 8 turns, I might use a Hunter skill in 2 of them and whatever the other job is in the other 6.
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Aug 1, 2018 03:08
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Leghold Trap is a strong contender for the best skill in the game, so having that plus single target and AoE versions of "ruin Bow armor" makes a pretty powerful class, even if it is one dimensional.
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Aug 1, 2018 03:48
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Octopath seems so simple but it's got so many nice quality bits to the battle system, like status effects always being useful and Steal not being garbage. If they just made incidental dialogue easier to trigger, made Provoke not trash and made the Allure/Guide quests easier (oh right, your presumed dead sister is in this one town I never checked for 10 hours), I'd be really happier.
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Aug 1, 2018 05:02
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So are the advanced jobs meant to be obtained in the postgame or something? They have twice the HP of the Chapter 4 bosses. I wonder if I really need them though, I've already torn through two Chapter 4s without them. In related news, putting Saving Grace on the entire party is loving hilarious. Oh someone got instakilled? Let me just use a large Olive of Life and have them come back with 9999 HP. 
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Aug 1, 2018 09:47
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:So are the advanced jobs meant to be obtained in the postgame or something? They have twice the HP of the Chapter 4 bosses. I wonder if I really need them though, I've already torn through two Chapter 4s without them. I got them near the end of my chapter 4's/post game and I'd say they're needed if you plan on playing the final boss of the game. If you're not going to put yourself through grinding hell then nah
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Aug 1, 2018 10:01
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:So are the advanced jobs meant to be obtained in the postgame or something? They have twice the HP of the Chapter 4 bosses. I wonder if I really need them though, I've already torn through two Chapter 4s without them. Considering that their dungeons are recommended level 50 and the Chapter 4's are recommended level 45 I'd say... yes. That said, you can do them much earlier because the battle system owns 
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Aug 1, 2018 10:04
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Your Computer posted:Considering that their dungeons are recommended level 50 and the Chapter 4's are recommended level 45 I'd say... yes. Yeah, it turns out just getting 1 or 2 of the advanced jobs before you do any chapter 4s shreds the difficulty of the final bosses. Sorcerer Cyrus can be easily buffed to the nines with divine skills to rip through boss health pools.
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Aug 1, 2018 10:20
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Xalidur posted:Leghold Trap is a strong contender for the best skill in the game, so having that plus single target and AoE versions of "ruin Bow armor" makes a pretty powerful class, even if it is one dimensional. It is, though I think other one-dimensional characters do their job better than H'aanit does her's, which is a shame. She practically requires subclassing to keep up with the others. On the plus side, it does mean H'aanit can actually take whatever as a subclass so her role isn't strictly limited to physical attacks.
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Aug 1, 2018 11:33
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Xalidur posted:Leghold Trap is a strong contender for the best skill in the game I thought this until a couple of bosses completely ignored its effect to ruin me out of the blue. It's good, but it won't do poo poo to a rage phase.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:38
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Stelas posted:I thought this until a couple of bosses completely ignored its effect to ruin me out of the blue. It's good, but it won't do poo poo to a rage phase. Was this post game or something? I've never seen it ignored
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Aug 1, 2018 13:53
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Enemies coming off a break always move first regardless of Leghold, is that what you were seeing?
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Aug 1, 2018 14:00
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Kashuno posted:Was this post game or something? I've never seen it ignored Warmaster loving loves to ignore it in her later phases. It's usually just for one round though but it still sucks when she suddenly opens with 4 moves and wipes an unprepared party.
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Aug 1, 2018 14:13
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H'aanit's(and hunter's) main problem is that she doesn't have the punch to justify the limited moveset. Olberic and Cyrus are one-trick ponies(at first with Cyrus, and Olberic always is) but they're insanely good at that one trick. It's supposed to be made up for with her beast summons and while they can be extremely useful(hitting every enemy twice for specific weapon damages is nothing to sneeze at) it's not worth the hassle of constantly restocking them. Though I guess this disadvantage is mitigated if she's a protagonist since she'll be super overleveled and able to easily capture whatever she wants, so there's that.
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Aug 1, 2018 14:53
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If H'aanit had at least one axe skill (replacing something crappy like Thunderbird) at least she'd have something. As is she's kinda reliant on subbing Apothecary or Warrior for a good damage skill.
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Aug 1, 2018 14:55
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ApplesandOranges posted:If H'aanit had at least one axe skill (replacing something crappy like Thunderbird) at least she'd have something. As is she's kinda reliant on subbing Apothecary or Warrior for a good damage skill. Yeah, thats all she needs. Warrior has spear and sword skills, and both are useful and have different uses. Hunter has 1 skill that is practically useless unless H'aanit is in the party, and one of her random hit moves is an upgraded version of her other. Linde exists, but she drops off kinda quickly in damage as the game goes on, and other hunters don't get her.
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Aug 1, 2018 15:17
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ApplesandOranges posted:If H'aanit had at least one axe skill (replacing something crappy like Thunderbird) at least she'd have something. As is she's kinda reliant on subbing Apothecary or Warrior for a good damage skill. Thunderbird's existence is basically why H'aanit never get's anything other than Bow Skills. A character is basically focused on either physical or magical skills in their moveset and this sets up certain rules for a character's default moveset: A character with at least one single-target and one multi-target elemental spell, or who possesses multiple elemental spells that hits all enemies never gains a skill that makes use of their weapon equips. (Ophilia, Cyrus, Tressa, Primrose) A character that possesses one or more physical weapon skills only gets them for one type (if they wield multiple types by default) in exchange for a single-target elemental spell. (Alfyn, Therion, H'aanit) A character who possesses one or more physical weapon skills for both weapon types they get by default gets no elemental attacks. (Olberic) Characters who lean more towards magic (whether through having at least one multi-target offensive magic spell in their repertoire, or possessing a skillset consisting of multiple healing or supportive spells used on teammates, alongside a Divine Skill that buffs you instead of dealing damage) also don't start out with more than one weapon, while characters who lean more towards being physically inclined get two weapons by default. Tressa and Alfyn both support and are exceptions to this rule due to their balanced, jack-of-all-trades nature. (Tressa can equip two weapons by default but has no skills that actually use her equipped weapons, her support skills benefits herself only by default, half of her skillset deals damage to the enemy including her Divine Skill; Alfyn only gets Axes but has access one single-target and one multi-target attack that use your equipped Axe's stats in exchange for one single-target elemental spell as your main source of elemental damage (in case one of you mo-fos thought you'd be a smartass and bring up Concoct) by default from Alfyn, half of his skillset supports your teammates including your divine skill.)
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Aug 1, 2018 15:57
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I got the advanced jobs after chapter 2. I think I was probably around level 35-40 for my characters with my main being around 45.
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Aug 1, 2018 16:50
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I did most of the advanced jobs between chapters 2 and 3 for my characters. If you have the right skills and strategy, they aren't super hard. Poison is your best friend against most of them.
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Aug 1, 2018 16:52
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I think the biggest thing I learned from doing them so early is that being patient in battle is absolutely key to some of the boss fights.
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Aug 1, 2018 16:54
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I saved the advanced jobs for after I was done with chapter 3, though the main reason is because at that point my main character had learned all the skills and i didn't want to waste their jp anymore. I'm pretty sure you could do Archmagus at lower levels, the one strat completely destroys him.
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Aug 1, 2018 17:07
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I love the 2D sprites in 3D environment aesthetic. It reminds me of Ragnarok Online so much. I also love that they took the Final Fantasy 1-6 thing where when you fight a human boss enemy, the enemy is like super huge and detailed while you're still the same sprites. Some of the effects are overdone but I love the aesthetic of this game.
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Aug 1, 2018 17:08
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Leghold trap gets ignored if the boss gives themselves more turns, but it's only for the next turn usually then they all go back to the end.
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Aug 1, 2018 17:09
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Devoyniche posted:I love the 2D sprites in 3D environment aesthetic. It reminds me of Ragnarok Online so much. I particularly like that they did this with (Olberic ch3 spoilers) the duel with Erhardt. Though the fight was over so fast I didn't get a good look at all the details. :/
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Aug 1, 2018 17:14
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I like that after 60+ hours of having Therion in my party and taking him out for the first time, the next time I saw him in an inn he's all "Get lost I prefer to work alone. Urgh I suppose I can help you if I must". Dude we've just been on an epic journey around the world together.
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Aug 1, 2018 17:35
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Frankston posted:I like that after 60+ hours of having Therion in my party and taking him out for the first time, the next time I saw him in an inn he's all "Get lost I prefer to work alone. Urgh I suppose I can help you if I must". to be fair, his entire character arc more or less revolves around how he's full of poo poo on that front
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Aug 1, 2018 17:47
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Haanit you can do better than Ophelia
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The boss battle music is one of the best boss battle musics in any video game. The sound is very good overall. Good headphones make sound effects and music really pop in this game. Attacks and spells landing sound vicious.
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Aug 1, 2018 19:11
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Barudak posted:Haanit you can do better than Ophelia Ophilia is basically exactly what H'aanit would need in a partner. She's calm and understanding and wouldn't be stressed by H'aanit's need to go HUNT whenever the urge strikes, and would listen intently to any tales upon her return. She can also handle herself so H'aanit wouldn't have to worry while she's out! That felt weird to even type but here we are.
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Aug 1, 2018 19:17
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Barudak posted:Haanit you can do better than Ophelia They're a good couple, and I'm not just saying that because it's canon 
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Aug 1, 2018 19:22
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Kashuno posted:Ophilia is basically exactly what H'aanit would need in a partner. She's calm and understanding and wouldn't be stressed by H'aanit's need to go HUNT whenever the urge strikes, and would listen intently to any tales upon her return. She can also handle herself so H'aanit wouldn't have to worry while she's out! H'aanit prefers people who are stronger than her though. (Not that she's given romance much thought.)
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Aug 1, 2018 19:33
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Isn't H'aanit into Aliac or whatever that guys name is? I mean they set it up and she gets teased about it when she describes her dream man
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Aug 1, 2018 19:44
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Sister Ophilia is friggin' outrageous.
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Aug 1, 2018 19:45
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Sister Ophilia is friggin' outrageous. Truly, truly, truly outrageous
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Aug 1, 2018 19:47
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Has anyone made an official chart as to which Octopathers are horny for which other Octopathers?
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Mega64 posted:Has anyone made an official chart as to which Octopathers are horny for which other Octopathers? Tressa is only horny for money and adventure.
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