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PT6A posted:Further, I'd like to add that it's been shown that housing-first policies for the homeless are the best way of addressing homelessness -- far superior to requiring sobriety first or any of that moralizing bullshit. It's really funny (read: depressing) to me that this is something that actually needs to be stated out loud. "When someone is on fire, the most effective strategy is to focus first on putting out the fire, rather then shaking your head and scolding them for their poor choices." twice burned ice posted:Somehow TurboTax have created the only piece of software ever that not only doesn't constantly push updates on the user, but is also completely incapable of being updated at all! Didn't Microsoft do this? Turn Word et al. from something you can buy and then just own forever into something you have to subscribe to for a yearly fee?
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Flavahbeast posted:dude had way too much faith in Americans, I think he really believed 80% of the country would instinctually reject Trump they did and they also rejected clinton
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PT6A posted:To be fair, no one could've predicted painting Trump as the fact of the Republican party would be bad until the actual night of the election. If you're going to criticize Obama, stick to the poo poo he actually did wrong and should've known not to do at the time. "No one could have predicted Trump" says man who spent 2016 yelling angrily at people who predicted that Trump could win.
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PT6A posted:To be fair, no one could've predicted painting Trump as the fact of the Republican party would be bad until the actual night of the election. If you're going to criticize Obama, stick to the poo poo he actually did wrong and should've known not to do at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o
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Jul 31, 2018 07:51
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white sauce posted:I loving hate Maggie so much a little surprised her twitter doesn't get spammed with that clip every time she gets in a tizzy over people calling her out for her lovely access journalism which never actually produces any insight
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Jul 31, 2018 09:50
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Speaking of the NYT they just shat out another "look the real problem is white people calling other whites racist" opeds which I'm not linking to because gently caress giving them traffic. Trump constantly dunking on them is a thing he's right about for entirely the wrong reasons.
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That they pushed Trump with such a cavalier attitude as a slam dunk opposition to Clinton, without the slightest whiff of concern as to what the damage would be if he somehow won, was certainly a telling moment for the cards in their hand in terms of what they even considered to be the material stakes.
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Cerebral Bore posted:"No one could have predicted Trump" says man who spent 2016 yelling angrily at people who predicted that Trump could win. Cool. Did you or anyone predict Trump in 2011 which is when Obama started making fun of him, which is what was actually being discussed? Hindsight is 20/20, but I think you're either remarkably prescient or lying off your rear end if you say you could've predicted Trump's political rise in 2011. EDIT: Misread previous post. PT6A fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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Jul 31, 2018 13:45
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Predicting Trump could beat Clinton is one thing but predicting he could win the presidency before the GOP primary started is on a whole other level. If someone here saw that coming they should produce the forum posts and write a book about it or something.
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Bates posted:Predicting Trump could beat Clinton is one thing but predicting he could win the presidency before the GOP primary started is on a whole other level. If someone here saw that coming they should produce the forum posts and write a book about it or something. the problem is elevating the profile of a dangerous man like trump and the ideology he represents. they normalized him in the hope that it would drive voters to the dem party, ignoring the danger that those actions posed
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Well, the bigger issue is that even at the time, the effort to brand Trump as the face of the Republican party was largely a failure, and only encouraged the party's rightward swing while doing little to slow the GOP's massive electoral gains.
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PT6A posted:Cool. Did you or anyone predict Trump in 2011 which is when Obama started making fun of him, which is what was actually being discussed? PT6A posted:To be fair, no one could've predicted painting Trump as the fact of the Republican party would be bad until the actual night of the election. If you're going to criticize Obama, stick to the poo poo he actually did wrong and should've known not to do at the time.  Bates posted:Predicting Trump could beat Clinton is one thing but predicting he could win the presidency before the GOP primary started is on a whole other level. If someone here saw that coming they should produce the forum posts and write a book about it or something. Trying to frame this as being about Trump specifically is missing the point. It was obvious for a long time that somebody in the GOP would eventually come along and dispense with the dogwhistles and when that happened they would take over the party. Basically if it hadn't been Trump it'd have been somebody else, and it would likely had led to the same result.
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Willa Rogers posted:I once said that Obama's best legacy will be instilling especially younger voters with hope and the concept that anything is possible. I doubt it was intentional on obama's part but I appreciate that the scales falling from younger voters eyes about him turned them into activists & socialists not willing to ride along with the bullshit. And lord knows I've learned plenty from them, lest I ride off on my high horse. I think it used to be that if you were white and of a certain economic class, you'd eventually get cut in on the grift enough to at least acquiesce to the status quo, whereas the younger generation now is realizing they're never going benefit from the bullshit.
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I still think it's impressive she got 30% against such a big name as Manchin. Really shows how much people reject him, since pretty much every vote for her is representative of someone actively rejecting Manchin (while a lot of the votes for him were likely just people voting for the name they recognized).
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DCist/status/1024400584512860161 https://mobile.twitter.com/msmcmullande/status/1024394660704382977 If anyone isn't on the up and up about this extremely predictable turn of events, episodes 43 and 44 of Citations Needed goes into more depth about how sites like Common Dreams and Alternet get their poo poo pushed in by Facebook under the veil of preventing Russian interference.
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Yeah the idea that Manchin, famous establishment guy and incumbent politician had an opponent that got more votes than any of the Republican challengers should be "wow maybe leftists CAN win elections and we CAN have a Senator that isn't trying to high five trump while saying the dumb gently caress wall on a border 2000 miles from his state is a great idea" instead of just pathetically assuming he's the best we can hope for until neo-liberalism and austerity dooms us to whatever fascist is after Trump. The people that were smugly gloating she lost since it's all about their Team the Centrist Democrats and not actual policy are terrible.
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Office Pig posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/DCist/status/1024400584512860161 Nobody should be surprised by this.
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Radish posted:Yeah the idea that Manchin, famous establishment guy and incumbent politician had an opponent that got more votes than any of the Republican challengers should be "wow maybe leftists CAN win elections and we CAN have a Senator that isn't trying to high five trump while saying the dumb gently caress wall on a border 2000 miles from his state is a great idea" instead of just pathetically assuming he's the best we can hope for until neo-liberalism and austerity dooms us to whatever fascist is after Trump. The people that were smugly gloating she lost since it's all about their Team the Centrist Democrats and not actual policy are terrible. One takeaway from this year so far is that if there's going to be a revitalization of unions and working-class solidarity in this country it is probably going to be "deep red" states taking the lead. I base that on nothing more than, so far, to what little extent there is any of that, those states are taking the lead. But yeah, we're stuck with poo poo-eaters like Manchin. Just like we were "stuck" with Lieberman. And so on.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Nobody should be surprised by this. its the logical conclusion of the russia hysteria after all
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:"No don't you see this woman who got more votes than any Republican in the primary could never win in the general because reasons!" I am still trying to pinpoint whether this particular bit of analysis is just due to the typical cognitive flaws that limit the way our brains contextualize raw statistical data or if it is a little extra exuberance in narrative building because optimism begets optimism (and manchin is a black hole of optimism). It doesn’t change the early signs of continued, strengthening leftist viability and West Virginia won’t be a bellwether contender anytime soon so whatevs. But it certainly is a very strange extrapolation to make and feels contrived.
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archangelwar posted:I am still trying to pinpoint whether this particular bit of analysis is just due to the typical cognitive flaws that limit the way our brains contextualize raw statistical data or if it is a little extra exuberance in narrative building because optimism begets optimism (and manchin is a black hole of optimism). It doesn’t change the early signs of continued, strengthening leftist viability and West Virginia won’t be a bellwether contender anytime soon so whatevs. But it certainly is a very strange extrapolation to make and feels contrived.
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1024691241093607425 ben jealous is absent...
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1024691241093607425 Haha oh my god.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1024691241093607425 As is AOC. loving hell.
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Some of these places already had their primary, is Obama selectively endorsing Democrats for the general election? edit: Like Andy Kim already won their primary by being literally the only candidate.
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Just lol at giving and NY and Maryland dems the green light to backstab Jealous and AOC.
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Lycus posted:It says "first wave", though. why's he need 50+ waves? centrists believe in supporting the lesser evil, so it should be as easy as "this guy is a dem, and he's running against a republican? endorsed!"
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Condiv posted:why's he need 50+ waves? I don't know, but I'm not gonna overreact to a governor candidate not being on there.
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Lycus posted:It says "first wave", though. Unless the rest of the announcements come later because Obama is going to do a 50k-seat stadium event for the progressive candidates left off so far, gently caress the "first wave"
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Lycus posted:I don't know, but I'm not gonna overreact to a governor candidate not being on there.
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Lycus posted:I don't know, but I'm not gonna overreact to a governor candidate not being on there. Yeah it's more important that we turn out the vote for the important swing state governor of... [checks notes] California?
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1024691241093607425 Crossposting 'cause lol Shear Modulus posted:also obama endorsed in a california state house race. the district is one of the most dem in the country and includes oakland and berkeley. the endorsee buffy wicks is a white ex-obama staffer and her opponent is a black woman lgbt socialist lol
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