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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I'm not saying they aren't shipping dangerous damaged batteries in their cars, I'm just saying there exists a possible innocuous explanation for the events seen by the "whistleblower". Tesla's most functional autopilot is completely based on a system that was available and in fact shipped on many other manufactures cars and Tesla was the only company reckless enough to let it drive the cars while the designer of the system was screaming at them to stop. That system has now killed multiple people. So yeah, you shouldn't trust them not to do something dangerous and stupid in a sealed system that you can't look in when they do it right in the open already.
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Three Olives posted:Tesla's most functional autopilot is completely based on a system that was available and in fact shipped on many other manufactures cars and Tesla was the only company reckless enough to let it drive the cars while the designer of the system was screaming at them to stop. That system has now killed multiple people. We still trust VW and everyone else to not be fudging emissions tests. We still drive cars with Takata airbags.
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Basically, yes, this looks bad. But both sides in this case look pretty loony. I'm not going to assume either innocence or guilt until I have more information.
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Finger Prince posted:We still trust VW and everyone else to not be fudging emissions tests. We still drive cars with Takata airbags. ....what? No, VWs firmware has been reviewed and their newer vehicles are being heavily scrutinized by third parties. They got caught and are still under the microscope
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Aug 1, 2018 21:33
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Maybe Musk wouldn't have to respond to the accusation if they didn't have a history of building shoddy cars and being dicks to past/present employees. Also, maybe Musk should just shut the gently caress up about pretty much everything because he's so disconnected from reality, he might as well be in his space car.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:39
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Y'all act like a few uneven panel gaps on initial/early cars is the end of the world. And unique to Tesla at that.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-stock-rises-after-car-maker-reports-wider-quarterly-loss-but-beats-on-revenue-2018-08-01 4B revenue (up on expectations) Adj loss 520 million (Also up on expectations) CapEx coming down - should end up 1B down on 2017 Projected profit in Q3/Q4 due to Model 3 sales (They are selling what they build so about 55,000, aiming for 6000 a week late August) Target of 100,000 S/X model deliverys looking good. Doesn't look like Tesla are going broke just yet after all https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-results/tesla-expects-to-hit-more-than-6000-week-model-3-production-rate-idUSKBN1KM62S quote:Tesla ended the second quarter with $2.78 billion in cash after spending $610 million in quarterly capital expenses. It had ended the first quarter with $3.2 billion in cash after spending $656 million in capital expenses. And from here on the capital ex keep coming down and the deliveries ramp up so yes, quite believable they go cash flow positive next quarter. LOL the short sellers have going to be hosed 
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Aug 1, 2018 22:11
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CommieGIR posted:I am not shocked if they are puncturing a highly reactive rare earth metal battery pack Oh you.  CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-stock-rises-after-car-maker-reports-wider-quarterly-loss-but-beats-on-revenue-2018-08-01 TSLA up %5 in afterhours. Almost conference call time 
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spandexcajun posted:Oh you. Hopefully Elon can avoid foot in mouth disease.
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Soooooo is there a direct or inverse relationship to Tesla’s perceived performance and the rating of this thread/stupidity levels within the thread itself
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Just saying, this isn’t the Tesla thread and if you wanna dig deep into that subject there’s a CSPAM thread all about Tesla. e: this is the EV thread where Tesla cars and technology are obviously worth discussing. Ranting about Elon...
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DNK posted:Just saying, this isn’t the Tesla thread and if you wanna dig deep into that subject there’s a CSPAM thread all about Tesla. Totally with you- I posted a few months ago with much the same. Tesla just dominates the news in this world right now, for better or for worse. I myself am excited for VW and Honda moves in the EV sphere, and I’m super pumped to see more than just concepts on what they’re coming up with.
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I'm sure the thread will talk about non-tesla EVs when a non-Tesla manufacturer makes an EV worthy of being talked about.
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ilkhan posted:I'm sure the thread will talk about non-tesla EVs when a non-Tesla manufacturer makes an EV worthy of being talked about. They already have imo. Now we just need the mature charging infrastructure to support them. What's everyone's experience with non Tesla fast chargers?
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My single Chademo experience was fine. Clunkier than a super charger, but it had to handle payment so that’s to be expected.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, which is why there needs to be an audit by an external company of the Model 3 production processes. I mean if it found Tesla innocent of the alleged wrongdoing this one engineer making the accusations sure isn't going to pay for it, and making Tesla pay to investigate themself if they turn out to be innocent would be some bullshit. Having Tesla be on the hook for the investigation and cleanup costs if they're in the wrong would be fine, but it would be super exploitable if the standard is that companies have to pay for audits of themselves any time someone accuses them of wrongdoing and they deny it regardless of the outcome. (BMW deliberately makes 5% of their engines out of cheese, prove me wrong.)
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Subjunctive posted:My single Chademo experience was fine. Clunkier than a super charger, but it had to handle payment so that’s to be expected. I've taken several semi - long trips in my leaf, and the experience would have been greatly improved by card readers for debit /credit cards on the charging stations.
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I don't have a car that does CCS or chademo, but looking on plugshare it seems like most of the places around me are car dealerships and/or only have a single plug. Is that the case generally? Do you ever have to wait on someone to finish?
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Subjunctive posted:My single Chademo experience was fine. Clunkier than a super charger, but it had to handle payment so that’s to be expected. Came out to like $3 and we were near 3/4 full when all done. Those shits just need a slot to swipe a loving card. There's also Volta chargers at Malls which are free and feel loving amazing when you snag one.
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Try the ez-charge app if you want to see chademo availability. It's a Nissan thing.
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if any other company was accused of same they would have the paper trail to prove it and would probably at minimum conduct an internal audit - tesla's persecution complex makes them look suspicious at times and it's not really benefiting them in any way
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FilthyImp posted:Used a (CCS? Whatever isnt ChaDeMo) at an Ikea before we got the home charger. Took us near 20 minutes because we didn't have the app and the location was underground so no signal. In Norway we have a pretty good network of quick chargers (at least ChaDeMo and CCS) run by two companies. As a member of the norwegian electric car owners organization I got a rfid fob that I've registered with both companies, and can now just touch to the chargers to start them. Works pretty smoothly. I do a long trip (~200 miles each way) with my Kia Soul about once a month and I can usually pass one or more points without stopping if I can't be bothered.
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Tesla now boosted the price of most model 3 paint colors to $1500. White and Red are now $2000. Keep in mind these were all $1000 when ordering was first opened. Black is still a "free" color. Thinking now of going with black when SR comes out and spending the "saved" money on ceramic paint coating instead.
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As someone who has had a couple of black cars I'd definitely pay $1500 to get some other colour
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dissss posted:As someone who has had a couple of black cars I'd definitely pay $1500 to get some other colour i love almost everything about my volt, but black is one of the regrets
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What's wrong with black? This is a question, not a challenge, I've never had a black car. Gets hot? Looks dirty? Hard to find in a parking lot?
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Pretty interesting video on battery tech used in the EV world, pouch vs cell - different battery chemistries etc... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFiaWvD-KI
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roomforthetuna posted:What's wrong with black? This is a question, not a challenge, I've never had a black car. They get extremely hot. They also show dirt like crazy. And scratches. And dents. And imperfect wax jobs. And everything else.
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shadowzero313 posted:i love almost everything about my volt, but black is one of the regrets No regrets about getting the Blue Volt.
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The only regret I have about buying my Roadster is choosing black. Looks amazing for about an hour after being washed though! Getting it wrapped next week!
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Deathreaper posted:Pretty interesting video on battery tech used in the EV world, pouch vs cell - different battery chemistries etc... This is dumb, Tesla doesn't make their batteries, Panasonic does using own IP in a Tesla factory. And Tesla's cells are standardized, the reason everyone else isn't using them is not because they haven't considered other models of cars or can't match the energy density or have no plans for fixed storage products, it's because Tesla committed a shitload of money to having Panasonic make a shitload of cylindrical cells when objectively better technology came out but not so much better that Tesla could be justified in junking the investment they already made.
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roomforthetuna posted:What's wrong with black? This is a question, not a challenge, I've never had a black car. Keeping a black car clean is a career.
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ilkhan posted:Keeping any car clean is a chore. Yeah. My current car is black and I have vowed never to purchase another one again in my life. It will be clean for all of 5 minutes after you wash it, and all of the other poo poo people have mentioned.
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roomforthetuna posted:What's wrong with black? This is a question, not a challenge, I've never had a black car. Gets instantly too hot sitting in it. My black has a metallic flake that shows through the dust and scratches pretty well, and it's easy to find with the remote start AC. But I have to run that AC hard when the sun's out.
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Nobody wants to talk about the $tsla news today? Trading currently suspended at $367. e: back open. /e: Was announced/confirmed that over the last few months the Saudi public investment fund has purchased 3-5% of Tesla on the public market, after Tesla turned them down on an equity purchase. Elon tweeted, and has followed up with several other tweets, that he has been considering, and has the funding for, taking the company private again at $420/share. Also shorts have another billion (+/-) in unrealized losses for the day, and if taking the company private goes through they'll be completely hosed. In other news, another batch of several thousand model 3 VINs were registered, hundreds of additional model 3s were delivered, and the vast majority of new owners are exceedingly satisfied with their purchase. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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How would it work? Presumably Musk or someone else would have to buy out all the other shareholders - but he says he'd preserve current shareholders' stakes, which sounds like taking the company private would require some kind of vote? Obviously there's another mechanism I'm not getting..
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ilkhan posted:In other news, another batch of several thousand model 3 VINs were registered, hundreds of additional model 3s were delivered, and the vast majority of new owners are exceedingly satisfied with their purchase. Nice cheerleading.
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Surely there's a stock market thread somewhere.
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RZA Encryption posted:Surely there's a stock market thread somewhere.
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