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theCalamity posted:Which brings me to the annoyance I have with liberals today. They’re too focused on being armchair political consultants and get way too far into policy. They don’t want to sell ideas that resonate with the electorate and too dependent on the blue wave. They say that once Dems get back into power, then we can fix things, but they’re not offering a plan to the electorate on how they would do that besides not being Trump.
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Posted this in the pictures thread, but it should go here as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykb6Nk9_PjI A couple of workers got disciplined in what was deemed to be an unfair manner, and so the remaining employees walked off the job for the day. Solidarity at its finest. Do more of this America.
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twodot posted:Further, the Democrats have already publicly demonstrated that they have no desire to actually fix things once given power. Like if people were saying "Yeah the Greens say a bunch of dumb idiot things now, but once they are in power they will actually fix things" there would some sort of real argument there, but we already know what Democrats do when given power. I imagine that if Dems get back into power, it’ll just be some fixes to what Trump has done but mostly status quo with some steps towards a modest public option and other “pragmatic” and “realistic” goals. Then they’ll get kicked out of power again and we get an actual savvy fascist.
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Kraftwerk posted:Speaking of judges, is anyone following the Manafort trial? Looks like the fucker is gonna get off Scot free There's some cash to be made if you're confident of this: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/8353/Will-Paul-Manafort-be-convicted-of-a-federal-charge-by-year-end-2018#data (I actually have some money riding on "no" because I think there's a >15% chance that at least one juror is a chud who won't vote to convict Trump's campaign manager regardless of the evidence, but I'm expecting I'll lose it) Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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Teddybear posted:Sarah Jeong, noted good writer at the Verge, got hired for the NYT's editorial board yesterday. /pol/ and the chuds have taken offense at an Asian immigrant woman getting a job like this, so they're trying to pull a James Gunn on her by spamming everyone at the NYT with screenshots of old tweets where she jokes about white people, including a great series on how white people don't have any sports that aren't cultural appropriation aside from basically skiing and golf. they announced they knew about this, still hired her, and accepted her explanation and promise to not to be so vitriolic on social media in the future
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Flavahbeast posted:There's some cash to be made if you're confident of this: https://www.predictit.org/Contract/8353/Will-Paul-Manafort-be-convicted-of-a-federal-charge-by-year-end-2018#data Oh drat do they got a Fantasy Congress section on this site? I could hook up with with my local #Resistance chapter and start a league.
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exploded mummy posted:they announced they knew about this, still hired her, and accepted her explanation and promise to not to be so vitriolic on social media in the future Yeah it sounds like they learned from James Gunn, hopefully that trick doesn't work again.
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We'll see how long they last when congressmen and Trump start screaming about the Racist New York Times. Hoping they hold firm since if they don't firing a minority for making sarcastic comments at her abusers while allowing endless articles about how oppressed white people are will be an incredibly dangerous precedent to set.
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Iron Twinkie posted:Oh drat do they got a Fantasy Congress section on this site? I could hook up with with my local #Resistance chapter and start a league. You joke, but their advertising emails sell it like a fantasy sports gambling site ('win the 2018 midterms today!")
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah it sounds like they learned from James Gunn, hopefully that trick doesn't work again. I don't have high hopes. The fact that they engaged with the smear campaign at all shows that they're vulnerable to it. If they thought it was worthless and illegitimate criticism, they wouldn't bother forcing her to issue an apology for it; the fact that they issued their statement shows that they were bothered enough by the criticism to go out of their way to try and defuse it. And that means that if they fail to defuse the criticism, they'll probably escalate. I mean, I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But Bret Stephens wrote plenty of racist poo poo before his Times hiring (and probably after his Times hiring), much of which was called out publicly when he was hired, and I don't remember the Times ever forcing him to issue an apology for his numerous pre-hiring racist articles. Hell, Ross Douthat wrote that gross and awful article about a male "right to sex" just three months ago in the pages of the NYT, and no one at the Times saw fit to demand a public apology from him. So Sarah is already being held to a different standard from the usual white male conservative gremlins who already fill the NYT's Opinion and Editorial departments. So no, I don't have much reason to hope that they'll stand by her for long.
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Beto could have beated Cruz if he focused on turning out young and disenfranchised voters (like a certain young NY candidate did and a certain Michigan governor candidate is doing) and ran with a populist socialist message. My anecdote about his latest hire was to reinforce that he's going in the exact wrong direction. More DCCC barnacles.
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It appears that the founding fathers also warned of unrestrained populism: "The rights of mankind are simple. They require no learning to unfold them. They are better felt, then explained. Hence in matters that relate to liberty, the mechanic and the philosopher, the farmer and the scholar, are all upon a footing. But the case is widely different with respect to government. It is a complicated science and requires abilities and knowledge of a variety of other subjects, to understand it." - Benjamin Rush (1787)
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't have high hopes. The fact that they engaged with the smear campaign at all shows that they're vulnerable to it. If they thought it was worthless and illegitimate criticism, they wouldn't bother forcing her to issue an apology for it; the fact that they issued their statement shows that they were bothered enough by the criticism to go out of their way to try and defuse it. And that means that if they fail to defuse the criticism, they'll probably escalate. I'm seriously of two minds on this. Talking about what James Gunn did was wrong, but as we get further into the age of the internet a lot of people are going to have shithead opinions. That includes the majority of people on this website as well given a long enough timeline. If you only hire bland, goody two-shoes writers you're going to get bland art. Should James Gunn get fired? Yes. But I really worry where this rabbit hole goes.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'm seriously of two minds on this. Talking about what James Gunn did was wrong, but as we get further into the age of the internet a lot of people are going to have shithead opinions. That includes the majority of people on this website as well given a long enough timeline. If you only hire bland, goody two-shoes writers you're going to get bland art. Thing is is that the reason he was fired was that Mike Cernovich and that sector of the alt right drug up things that were already addressed, acknowledged, apologized for, and made efforts to distance from. This was before Gunn was hired for Disney. Gunn was targeted because he was vocally anti-Trump full stop. This is the alt-right weaponizing IdPol to trigger knee jerk reactions to get people they don't like fired and it's something they've been refining for years and James is just the most high profile recently. It's a difficult thing to address because nobody should be given a free pass but at the same time, we've all said or done something we regret. We we're all born in an inherently toxic, racist, bigoted, hosed up society and no one has always dealt with in healthy ways. It's hard because it takes a lot of consideration and context to understand both the circumstances around the original comments, the time that has past, what they've done in the interim, how they have or haven't addressed it, and who is bringing this up and to what end. Like, it's not related to the alt-right but what also comes into mind was Keith Ellison coming on CNN to decry Trump's Muslim Ban and Jake Tapper instead uses the segment to drag and discredit Ellison for length of the segment because he was associated with Louis Farrakhan over 20 years ago. This is something that has happened to Ellison repeatedly. I can't imagine why he's giving up on national politics. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/26/tapper_grills_dem_rep_ellison_on_farrakhan_support_thats_not_true.html
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'm seriously of two minds on this. Talking about what James Gunn did was wrong, but as we get further into the age of the internet a lot of people are going to have shithead opinions. That includes the majority of people on this website as well given a long enough timeline. If you only hire bland, goody two-shoes writers you're going to get bland art. Here's where the rabbit hole goes: corporations react to each and every media firestorm solely based on how much they think it'll affect their image, profits, and governing ideology, without any regard for the facts of the case or basic morality or anything else, as usual. Also, we fell down the rabbit hole several years ago and people are only just now starting to notice now that white conservatives are being affected too.
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theCalamity posted:It was last year when Nina Turner said that the average person doesn’t care about Russian interference. That might’ve changed but it aligned with what I experience anecdotally. The whole investigation isn’t at the forefront of my mind and I haven’t really heard others talking about it except extremely online people. People have more immediate concerns. Yeah, nobody's going to think that Russia is more important than putting food on their table, but lanyards gonna lanyard.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'm seriously of two minds on this. Talking about what James Gunn did was wrong, but as we get further into the age of the internet a lot of people are going to have shithead opinions. That includes the majority of people on this website as well given a long enough timeline. If you only hire bland, goody two-shoes writers you're going to get bland art. I don’t agree and that’s only because the stuff Gunn did already had been called out in 2012 when he was first signed onto the Marvel project and he had to issue his apologies then. He also demonstrably no longer makes posts of that nature nor thinks doing so is acceptable. Him getting fired in 2018 is purely right wing noise machine getting its way, and if it works on a straight cis white guy responsible for one of the most successful movie franchises in history it’ll work on more vulnerable people. Edit: note, I don’t really care if Gunn gets to keep making movies or gets rehired, but him being fired is not really a good thing imo.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t agree and that’s only because the stuff Gunn did already had been called out in 2012 when he was first signed onto the Marvel project and he had to issue his apologies then. He also demonstrably no longer makes posts of that nature nor thinks doing so is acceptable. Him getting fired in 2018 is purely right wing noise machine getting its way, and if it works on a straight cis white guy responsible for one of the most successful movie franchises in history it’ll work on more vulnerable people. its cool that disney already said they're not re-hiring him and threatened to sue each actor in GuarGal individually for breach of contract if they continue to publicly speak out in support of him
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The Kingfish posted:Haha oh my god. Yea I'm a supporter of Barack but this is bad
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Ofc James Gunn should be rehired. Are a bunch of SA Goons literally going to pretend they've never made edgelord jokes on the internet? Come on.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, nobody's going to think that Russia is more important than putting food on their table, but lanyards gonna lanyard. I'm seeing lanyards watching the Manafort trial because they have nothing better to do and hoping that Mueller produces something worthwhile. Meanwhile, people are still stressed out from their little pay and healthcare costs. No wonder people stopped voting for the Dems. They're out of touch.
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theCalamity posted:I'm seeing lanyards watching the Manafort trial because they have nothing better to do and hoping that Mueller produces something worthwhile. Meanwhile, people are still stressed out from their little pay and healthcare costs. No wonder people stopped voting for the Dems. They're out of touch. any day now mueller is gonna say trump did something impeachable. and then he won't be impeached cause the dems are too spineless to do anything but try to campaign off it (and then let him off the hook if they win)
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Your Parents posted:its cool that disney already said they're not re-hiring him and threatened to sue each actor in GuarGal individually for breach of contract if they continue to publicly speak out in support of him They should continue to do so and make a giant stink about it. This would backfire on Disney
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:They should continue to do so and make a giant stink about it. This would backfire on Disney Yeah, but Disney can bury people, so not really a company to gently caress around with if you ever want to work in entertainment again.
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Zil posted:Yeah, but Disney can bury people, so not really a company to gently caress around with if you ever want to work in entertainment again. That kind of illustrates that the core problem that allows this to be weaponized is a massive power imbalance between capital and labor if even extremely well compensated workers don't have any actual power. All labor needs to be unionized. If these say these sorts of things had to go through a union backed review process, these things wouldn't keep happening.
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Your Parents posted:its cool that disney already said they're not re-hiring him and threatened to sue each actor in GuarGal individually for breach of contract if they continue to publicly speak out in support of him This right here is some bullshit, specifically anti-worker bullshit actually. Disney is going to take over the world and we’re gonna stand and watch because they own our childhoods.
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Condiv posted:any day now mueller is gonna say trump did something impeachable. and then he won't be impeached cause the dems are too spineless to do anything but try to campaign off it (and then let him off the hook if they win) I wait with bated breath for the words "Trump did it" to leave Mueller's pencil-thick lips
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Lightning Knight posted:This right here is some bullshit, specifically anti-worker bullshit actually. Disney is going to take over the world and we’re gonna stand and watch because they own our childhoods. If they start doing it while singing a catchy song we're all screwed, Mickey will replace Uncle Sam as the national mascot.
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Remember, you can’t spell Mickey without M-I-C.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:If they start doing it while singing a catchy song we're all screwed, Mickey will replace Uncle Sam as the national mascot. Disney’s “I Want” song, about the joys of low-cost interns to man their amusement parks.
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theCalamity posted:I'm seeing lanyards watching the Manafort trial because they have nothing better to do and hoping that Mueller produces something worthwhile. Meanwhile, people are still stressed out from their little pay and healthcare costs. No wonder people stopped voting for the Dems. They're out of touch. Look, America is already great, so obviously the only possible politically important thing is Russia and everybody who thinks that something else is worth worrying about is clearly a secret Russian agent.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Look, America is already great, so obviously the only possible politically important thing is Russia and everybody who thinks that something else is worth worrying about is clearly a secret Russian agent. Those drat Russians cleverly pointing out obvious flaws in our system such as racial and wealth inequality. We should do nothing about the inequality, but we need Mueller to personally duplex Drumpf and ignore any Russian operative clamoring for Medicare For All.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t agree and that’s only because the stuff Gunn did already had been called out in 2012 when he was first signed onto the Marvel project and he had to issue his apologies then. He also demonstrably no longer makes posts of that nature nor thinks doing so is acceptable. Him getting fired in 2018 is purely right wing noise machine getting its way, and if it works on a straight cis white guy responsible for one of the most successful movie franchises in history it’ll work on more vulnerable people. It doesn't help that Disney doesn't mind  ing anyone that is seen as a blemish on their family friendly image. His posts and apology went under the radar in 2012 but now that its a high profile thing in 2018 they have to do something about it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, nobody's going to think that Russia is more important than putting food on their table, but lanyards gonna lanyard. There's a way to unify the issues: "Trump has betrayed you. Trump does not give a poo poo about you. Trump only cares about Trump."
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Feldegast42 posted:It doesn't help that Disney doesn't mind Yeah in 2012 GotG was a side gamble. Now it's a tentpole. I hope DC hires Gunn.
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