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I don't even know how people sub-15 3*magicites, do you just bring all DPS and maybe OK or someone for a buff? Like, currently, my damage doesn't really get rolling until about 10 seconds in to begin with between dropping buffs like godwall+OK and needing juice through wrath/entrust and a few hits from 4x/5x abilities.
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MF_James posted:I don't even know how people sub-15 3*magicites, do you just bring all DPS and maybe OK or someone for a buff? Not that I've personally sub-15'd anything but it's likely relying on last stand instead of healing, using fabula raider instead of wall RW, and lots of instant/quick casts.
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Aug 2, 2018 16:17
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saltylopez posted:Not that I've personally sub-15'd anything but it's likely relying on last stand instead of healing, using fabula raider instead of wall RW, and lots of instant/quick casts. Gotcha, just seems insane when I barely sub-30'd bismarck, my earth team took like 1.5-2mins to just clear (and it was skin of my teeth), and most of my other teams are between 45secs and 1.5 minutes. woah salty, didn't we play COD together or something a few years ago? Or maybe CSGO?
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Aug 2, 2018 16:20
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Shelke/Morrow entrusting someone two full sb bars before their second turn is up is also potentially a thing.
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Aug 2, 2018 16:23
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MF_James posted:woah salty, didn't we play COD together or something a few years ago? Or maybe CSGO? <BROWN TOWN> on Algalon 
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Aug 2, 2018 16:28
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saltylopez posted:<BROWN TOWN> on Algalon awww yeahhhhh thems was some good times, Slutatron will live again one day.
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Aug 2, 2018 16:35
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MF_James posted:I don't even know how people sub-15 3*magicites, do you just bring all DPS and maybe OK or someone for a buff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npb7ZixryP4 I have that down to 12.51s by skipping a healer, but haven't recorded that run
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Aug 2, 2018 16:36
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MF_James posted:I don't even know how people sub-15 3*magicites, do you just bring all DPS and maybe OK or someone for a buff? Yeah, no-healing magicite is really viable once you've beaten them all and have Ellara's healing RW. Two shots of instant full heal are more than enough to carry you through 15s of magicite damage. That's the thing with the speed meta - the faster you kill something, the less damage it does to you. Another big thing is not relying on lifesiphon to build gauge and just going ham with abilities from the start. Chains and enelement LMRs really help with this.
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Aug 2, 2018 18:18
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The 180 is a fucker. I’m gonna take a break for a bit, sweet jiminy christmas.
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Aug 2, 2018 19:06
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Avalerion posted:Shelke/Morrow entrusting someone two full sb bars before their second turn is up is also potentially a thing. If you use Shelke or Morrow you have no honor and are not a warrior you're probably a cop if you use Shelke or Morrow
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Aug 2, 2018 22:08
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So, are Record Dives still limited, in that you can only do so many, or can you RD every single character if you want?Bruceski posted:For Necrophobe look for a RW with an AoE. Shadow BSB is a popular one because after his entry it gives en-dark and instant (CMD1)/fast-cast AoE (CMD2) commands, which can really spit out some damage even on underleveled folks. Alright. Thanks for the info!
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So here's my problem with Isgebind. I'm currently trying with Greg Chain/Dived Terra USB/Dived Vivi BSB2 as a DPS core and; If I take two healers and RW Fabula Guardian, I can survive a full minute, but not have enough DPS to kill it because of a lack of buffs from not using Fabula Raider. Everyone caps out at 8k damage a hit. If I take two healers and Godwall Tyro, to use Fabula Raider, same deal, because I have to drop Greg chain and everyone's damage caps out at ~6k. If I take one healer and Tyro and Fabula Raider, I get it to ~20% at 45 seconds and then inevitably die because of mass amounts of AoE damage and only having three ice resist accessories to go around. I'm using Unicorn as a Magicite. Physical teams (Sabin USB, Amarant BSB, Locke BSB, Galuf BSB2, Bartz AOSB) seem like a bad idea because it's out of reach a fair bit. My only other options are BSB2 Krile for Imperil (Probably won't stack up to Chain), Vincent BSB for damage reflect, levelling Aphmau from scratch because her BSB is +MAG on entry and using her in a two healers/Fabula Guardian setup, levelling that one Type-0 dude who has a Fire BSB with PBlink from scratch, or just giving up, as far as I can tell. And this is an element I have a chain for, and a decent selection of SBs. If I can't conquer this one, the others might as well be D5000.
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Physical teams for isgebind are fine, all the dudes you listed have access to ranged weapons, inherently ranged abilities, or both. You might have to forgo a +fire weapon or two that you would otherwise use, but that shouldn't make the difference between clearing and not. Unless you don't have any bows or throwers worth a drat, which I guess is entirely possible.
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Aug 2, 2018 23:54
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Prompto's USB gun and absolutely nothing else.
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Ok, so. Vincent can be kitted out to do physical decently; give him Prompto's gun. Sabin is the best monk there in a vacuum, but I don't recall off hand whether any of their SB entries (or Sabin's chase) are ranged or not, so Amarant or Galuf might work better for this fight. Bring Greg/Vincent/monk of your choice, along with whatever two healers you were using. Vincent should be using ruby spark for dps and the monk should be using fires within. I won't guarantee that this will get you the clear, but it sounds like a decent setup on paper. If you don't have the hones on the relevant abilities to support this yet, that's something to work towards.
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Aug 3, 2018 00:29
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iPodschun posted:Here's an old 15s Shadow Dragon kill I recorded i don’t understand entirely what’s going on, how did you manage to give orlandeau an instant cast on his usb?
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Aug 3, 2018 00:37
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Cowcaster posted:i don’t understand entirely what’s going on, how did you manage to give orlandeau an instant cast on his usb?
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iPodschun posted:Orlandu's LM2 is haste + instant cast 3 well that explains it, i thought i had orlandeau legend dived but i did not
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Aug 3, 2018 01:09
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Cowcaster posted:i don’t understand entirely what’s going on, how did you manage to give orlandeau an instant cast on his usb? His dive gives instant cast cast for 3 turns. Orlandeau is fuckin nuts.
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Aug 3, 2018 02:41
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Bruceski posted:For Necrophobe look for a RW with an AoE. Shadow BSB is a popular one because after his entry it gives en-dark and instant (CMD1)/fast-cast AoE (CMD2) commands, which can really spit out some damage even on underleveled folks. That worked. It took two tries, because I forgot to actually select Shadow when he showed up, so I ended up with a lowbie Tyro and his sword AOE that did 56 damage to each barrier. Also: Kheldarn posted:So, are Record Dives still limited, in that you can only do so many, or can you RD every single character if you want?
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Aug 3, 2018 03:41
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Record Spheres are gated solely by the amount of motes you pick up. Amusingly, it's the 3* motes that are the real bottleneck now, since there's no renewable source to grind them. 4* motes can be farmed if desired on the appropriate days. I guess you may want to prioritize your relic crew early on but there's not a real pressing reason to hold back, either. I'm not sure where the break-point is, but I know someone worked it out at some prior point that it was possible to have every character fully record dived in JP assuming buying the monthly 3* motes from the Gysahl store as well. It's the Legend Spheres that are in much more limited supply, since 5* motes are still on drip-feed from stuff like Crystal Tower and the new Torments and such (get those Jump Starts before they're gone!)
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At one point I spent a some time just doing the 3* dives on everyone while watching twitch and the only reason I stopped was that I was running out of 3* vitality motes. Still have a bunch of everything else, especially dexterity
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You could spam raid clears for 3* motes if you really wanted to. (Please don't do this.)
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yeah unless you're going through and literally record diving every single character i can't imagine a situation where 3* motes are the bottleneck. you can technically farm 4* motes where 3* motes you can't, but even if you're dumping all your stamina into that just getting as far as you can into the weekly events will poo poo so many 3*'s into your lap as to outpace it.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:So here's my problem with Isgebind. I'm currently trying with Greg Chain/Dived Terra USB/Dived Vivi BSB2 as a DPS core and; Yes, level other characters. Sabin USB with Greg CSB will wreck poo poo, especially with a legend dive. Fires Within is ranged too, so you don't have to worry about that. Ace BSB means you can drop a healer, instant pblink is amazing for this fight. Then you can bring Tyro with Affliction Break (a single astra will not be enough) and some fire ability to help with the chain, Aphmau for heals (Valigarmanda in the second slot for the turns when she doesn't need to heal), and Fabula Raider for RW.
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Cowcaster posted:yeah unless you're going through and literally record diving every single character i can't imagine a situation where 3* motes are the bottleneck. you can technically farm 4* motes where 3* motes you can't, but even if you're dumping all your stamina into that just getting as far as you can into the weekly events will poo poo so many 3*'s into your lap as to outpace it. They can be a really annoying bottleneck when you're new, since were basically just limited to the ones we get from the weekly event and greens store. You might have plenty, but not of the right types. And getting more always means waiting for a week and hoping the event spits out the correct type of mote.
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Attestant posted:They can be a really annoying bottleneck when you're new, since were basically just limited to the ones we get from the weekly event and greens store. You might have plenty, but not of the right types. And getting more always means waiting for a week and hoping the event spits out the correct type of mote. Yeah, Vitality, Bravery, and Wisdom are exceptionally high-demand for 3* motes; I don't run out as much as a newer player would, but even as a week 1 player I haven't been able to give everyone a full 3* dive, which is saying something.
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KataraniSword posted:Yeah, Vitality, Bravery, and Wisdom are exceptionally high-demand for 3* motes; I don't run out as much as a newer player would, but even as a week 1 player I haven't been able to give everyone a full 3* dive, which is saying something.
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i think there’s just a fundamental difference in values going on here because personally i can’t imagine a world where i think attempting to 3* dive every single character available in this game is a worthwhile endeavor
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Aug 3, 2018 13:02
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i like this game cuz it has agrias
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Cowcaster posted:i think there’s just a fundamental difference in values going on here because personally i can’t imagine a world where i think attempting to 3* dive every single character available in this game is a worthwhile endeavor umm... it makes the numbers go up
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Cowcaster posted:i think there’s just a fundamental difference in values going on here because personally i can’t imagine a world where i think attempting to 3* dive every single character available in this game is a worthwhile endeavor When you live in post-scarcity gacha, you do it just because you can. Is it worthwhile? Nah, not really. But it's not like you can sell motes or upgrade them to the next rarity up or anything.
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I have 50 Onion Knight motes that will forever taunt me, unable to be used for anything.
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Cowcaster posted:i think there’s just a fundamental difference in values going on here because personally i can’t imagine a world where i think attempting to 3* dive every single character available in this game is a worthwhile endeavor I mean, if I'm using a character in a fight I try and 3 mote them up.
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Zyla posted:i like this game cuz it has agrias 
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Aug 3, 2018 18:02
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Hey did y'all know the FF6 crystal tower draw is here?! Why does the game insist on telling me everytime I go to the relic draw screen?
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You know, considering how important HP percentages are for torment fights, you'd think the game would actually show them to you.
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It should be possible to implement some sort of tracker for that via Javascript code injection. The trickiest parts would be probably to differentiate enemies from PCs, and to not make it look ugly. At least with the timer function, the code for that was already there when 300 Sephiroth first launched. In a case like this we wouldn't have such luxuries.
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KataraniSword posted:When you live in post-scarcity gacha, you do it just because you can. Is it worthwhile? Nah, not really. But it's not like you can sell motes or upgrade them to the next rarity up or anything. I have nothing else to do with them at this point. I only have like 25 more left characters to 3* dive.
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