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Why don't any of the huge sportswear brands like Nike have a bike team? It would be a blip on their spreadsheets and they'd be reaching out to a market they don't have much of.
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You mean big American sports brands, and its because of Lance Armstrong
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oliwan posted:why the gently caress are you listening to Lance Armstrong Eh, some of the stuff he said last year was pretty interesting and I think I'd be mistaken to say he doesn't have a fairly qualified take on some of the things that happen during the tour. This year it seemed like he had way more sponsors so after 5 minutes of him saying 'Patron tequila' I shut it off.
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oliwan posted:why the gently caress are you listening to Lance Armstrong Are there good sources out there of World Tour level competition discussion?
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nwin posted:Eh, some of the stuff he said last year was pretty interesting and I think I'd be mistaken to say he doesn't have a fairly qualified take on some of the things that happen during the tour. This year it seemed like he had way more sponsors so after 5 minutes of him saying 'Patron tequila' I shut it off. lol yeah sure let me listen to and thus support the biggest cheat and the biggest fraud in the history of the sport, who singlehandedly almost destroyed the sport forever... not to mention a truly awful human being 
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oliwan posted:lol yeah sure let me listen to and thus support the biggest cheat and the biggest fraud in the history of the sport, who singlehandedly almost destroyed the sport forever... not to mention a truly awful human being That’s Froome
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African AIDS cum posted:That’s Froome oh, my bad nvm
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It's a good podcast. Lance is still a dick but Hincapie is great. If you're going to ignore content from morally dubious producers I think you'll be left with PBS and not much else.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:11
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Lance is a great listen and has more insight on the sport, historic and modern (and future) than pretty much anyone else attempting a commentary. Was he a cheat? Yes, but so was everyone else who podiumed in those grand tours. It’s the aftermath...the faux outrage, lying, litigation that really made him the biggest douche. I have read memoirs of violent criminals, so listening to a person who cheated at bicycles seems pretty tame in comparison.
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TobinHatesYou posted:Lance is a great listen and has more insight on the sport, historic and modern (and future) than pretty much anyone else attempting a commentary. Was he a cheat? Yes, but so was everyone else who podiumed in those grand tours. It’s the aftermath...the faux outrage, lying, litigation that really made him the biggest douche. I have read memoirs of violent criminals, so listening to a person who cheated at bicycles seems pretty tame in comparison. Sounds like you are a big retard op.
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Who are the clean guys you listen to? I bet your golden savior Tom Dumoulin is even a cheater he just doesn't ride for sky so he's OK, right?
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oliwan posted:Sounds like you are a big retard op. Its...you?
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oliwan posted:Sounds like you are a big retard op. You're dumb as poo poo. The Lance podcast is actually the only good thing about the tour.
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WE’RE BEING MEAN WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN ONE OF US SHOULD DROP NOBODY’S GONNA LIKE US
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goatface posted:Why don't any of the huge sportswear brands like Nike have a bike team? It would be a blip on their spreadsheets and they'd be reaching out to a market they don't have much of. Does Nike even sell anything cycling related? Edit: Also lol at Americans defending Lance Armstrong.
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cebrail posted:Does Nike even sell anything cycling related? Nike still make cycling shoes if you're one of their sponsored athletes but you can't get them any other way. Which is a shame as they were quite good from what I've heard.
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Nike bikey would be such a good team name.
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Big article out today saying Dutch athletes are abusing thyroid medicine for weight loss. Hmm
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cebrail posted:Edit: Also lol at Americans defending Lance Armstrong. Armstrong seems to put out content that no other World Tour level rider is doing. Would listen to other people's stuff if it was out there -- so please let me know.
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African AIDS cum posted:Big article out today saying Dutch athletes are abusing thyroid medicine for weight loss. Hmm This is maybe the least surprising revelation in the world considering the expose of Nike Oregon Project's cytomel abuse 3 years ago
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Andy Dufresne posted:This is maybe the least surprising revelation in the world considering the expose of Nike Oregon Project's cytomel abuse 3 years ago Those Dutch speed skaters winning every medal at the olympics was really shady. And of course Dutchman Leinders at Sky being their doping guru and now Dumoulin doing his thing, something rotten going on in Holland
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cebrail posted:
But but... the great content!!!
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African AIDS cum posted:Those Dutch speed skaters winning every medal at the olympics was really shady. And of course Dutchman Leinders at Sky being their doping guru and now Dumoulin doing his thing, something rotten going on in Holland The Dutch did nothing wrong.
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oliwan posted:But but... the great content!!! Not sure how you can't separate the fact that he used PEDs, but also puts out better commentary than everyone else. Replace Armstrong with Ullrich, Indurain, Contador, Pantani's ghost, Wiggins, etc. If the narrative is good, I'll listen to it. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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On one side, it's been a decade since Armstrong was exposed as a poo poo heel - and he was, and still might be. On the other side, people don't hate Armstrong because of the PEDs, but because the system of lies, abuse and deception that he created that enabled him. While even I have to admit that Indurain probably wasn't clean, at least he didn't ruin other peoples lives while doing it. So yhea, Armstrong might have changed, and is probably insightful - on the other side, he was a truly horrible person, so I'm not sure I'd be comfortable about giving another chance. It's not like he has expressed guilt for anything other than getting caught.
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They're auctioning Craddock's bike to help a velodrome that got hit by Hurricane Harvey: https://www.32auctions.com/cannondale
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I don't think anyone is forgiving him, as such. He was a pro-cyclist for a long time, and he did some lovely things while being one. His insights and stories and experience can be enjoyed I think without you having to agree with everything he did or the way he acted. It's like saying you can't enjoy a good heist film because the protagonists are criminals, or a movie or book from the point of view of the bad guy because they are the bad guy and everything they do and say is terrible and should be purged from the earth. I don't listen to him because I hate listening to podcasts of any kind but I have read some of the transcripts and yeah, they are good and no body else is offering content like that. The closest thing to it I can think of are Phillipa York's stuff for Rouler, or when Eurosport has Sean Kelly commentating and he gives a really good insight or prediction based on his experiences.
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African AIDS cum posted:Those Dutch speed skaters winning every medal at the olympics was really shady. While the revelation about doping is a dull surprise to me (there was a lot of overlap between the pro-hopeful speed-skaters and cyclists in my hometown, most of them got busted for dope), part of the Dutch winning everything in speed-skating has always been "no one else takes this poo poo seriously, so we win it all by virtue of being the only serious competitor".
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:I don't think anyone is forgiving him, as such. He was a pro-cyclist for a long time, and he did some lovely things while being one. His insights and stories and experience can be enjoyed I think without you having to agree with everything he did or the way he acted. Yeah but thats no reason to unironically post things like "well everyone was cheating so he did nothing wrong"
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I didn't think that was the point, it was just putting it in context.
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cebrail posted:Yeah but thats no reason to unironically post things like "well everyone was cheating so he did nothing wrong" Nobody said this.
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TobinHatesYou posted:Nobody said this. "Was he a cheat? Yes, but so was everyone else who podiumed in those grand tours." - you
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cebrail posted:"Was he a cheat? Yes, but so was everyone else who podiumed in those grand tours." - you Quote the rest of that post maybe? I was saying what makes him really vile in comparison to the others is the poo poo he pulled afterward. I'm glad people listening to a podcast makes you insufferably mad though. Here's the full quote for posterity. TobinHatesYou posted:Lance is a great listen and has more insight on the sport, historic and modern (and future) than pretty much anyone else attempting a commentary. Was he a cheat? Yes, but so was everyone else who podiumed in those grand tours. It’s the aftermath...the faux outrage, lying, litigation that really made him the biggest douche. I have read memoirs of violent criminals, so listening to a person who cheated at bicycles seems pretty tame in comparison. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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That's what I meant, yes
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And my point wasn't that he did nothing wrong, but rather he did even more wrong. The second point is I don't care about either of those things because the podcast is fuckin' great.
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When have riders not been cheats? Merckx, Hinault, Indurain - all the greats were dodgy. Armstrong was maybe the biggest cheat of all but if you really want to go the route of never consuming any media that has cheating cyclists in it then just chuck the whole sport in the bin. There's no excuse for it but it also seems like that's just the way cycling is.
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Cycling is back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (buddy Howl)
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Hell yeah, let’s all take a break from tubeless/union/old doper chat and watch these boys murder their balls to win the big floppy hat or stuffed donkey or whatever it is. Uran Uran should be in pretty good shape
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Nice to not see Lawson Craddock tailgunning all day. My fear is that Sky promised this to Bernal and they’re going to choke the poo poo out of it like they do.
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