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Of course, the Trade Federation treats its droids better than the Republic treats the clones. The Trade Federation put a half-droid (General Grievous) in charge of their entire space fleet while the Republic won't allow the clones to have any position of military authority unless they are subservient to the Jedi. The Trade Federation also pays its droids a living wage, which the Republic does not.
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Cybernetics doesn't make you a droid. General Grievous was an organic intelligence and doesn't cease to be one just because his brain isn't in a flesh-container anymore.
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Aug 3, 2018 12:24
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jivjov posted:They're not humans, obviously, and there's definitely room for discussion on exactly what type of being they are given their fundamental differences from organic life...but yeah, most of the droids we see in the saga are people. Battle droids circa episode 1 I kinda question, since they're treated as pure automata. I'm not sure if the independence and whatnot were always there but suppressed or if the non-centrally controlled droids were fundamentally different in some way. What if the Story Group declared droids non-sapient?
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Aug 3, 2018 12:31
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multijoe posted:What if the Story Group declared droids non-sapient? Then in the context of the Star Wars universe, droids would be non-sapient; and just possessing of a remarkable simulacrum of sapience.
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Aug 3, 2018 12:45
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jivjov posted:Then in the context of the Star Wars universe, droids would be non-sapient; and just possessing of a remarkable simulacrum of sapience. "The Story Group doesn't tell me what to think, except when they do"
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Aug 3, 2018 13:04
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Wheat Loaf posted:Of course, the Trade Federation treats its droids better than the Republic treats the clones. The Trade Federation put a half-droid (General Grievous) in charge of their entire space fleet while the Republic won't allow the clones to have any position of military authority unless they are subservient to the Jedi. The Trade Federation also pays its droids a living wage, which the Republic does not. The Empire has a half-droid as it's second in command.
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Aug 3, 2018 13:06
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homullus posted:"The Story Group doesn't tell me what to think, except when they do" I'm not the one that gets to make determinations on what's canon or not. Why would I have that authority at all?
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Aug 3, 2018 13:18
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Is Jivjov a person ? People have the authority to interpret art and media.
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Aug 3, 2018 13:19
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jivjov posted:I'm not the one that gets to make determinations on what's canon or not. Why would I have that authority at all? A New Hope has a droid slave auction. Story Group doesn't have this authority
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Aug 3, 2018 13:19
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Hodgepodge posted:The Empire has a half-droid as it's second in command. They do indeed.
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Aug 3, 2018 13:29
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euphronius posted:Is Jivjov a person ? I suggest we form a Person Group to declare whether jivjov is a person in the context of the Something Awful Formus Universe or just an advanced chatbot.
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Aug 3, 2018 13:42
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What is our standard of proof? Remarkable simulacrum of sapience? Or everyday example of genius?
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Aug 3, 2018 13:45
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shitposting, obviously
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Aug 3, 2018 13:50
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jivjov posted:I'm not the one that gets to make determinations on what's canon or not. Why would I have that authority at all? Listen to yourself bro
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Aug 3, 2018 13:56
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Listen to yourself bro Yes, I do listen to myself. I recognize that I am not the license holder for Star Wars and I don't have the authority to declare what is and isn't canonical. Why do you think you have more authority than the owners?
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Aug 3, 2018 14:01
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euphronius posted:What is our standard of proof? Remarkable simulacrum of sapience? Or everyday example of genius? If we can rule out the trolling angle, the limited ability to comprehend ideas falling outside the limits set by the Story Group suggests artificial origin.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:05
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Because, like everyone including you has said, it’s fiction. We will interpret and assert whatever we want. You don’t have to like it but it’s extremely weird to go around ordering everyone to stop.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:06
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jivjov posted:Yes, I do listen to myself. I recognize that I am not the license holder for Star Wars and I don't have the authority to declare what is and isn't canonical. Why do you think you have more authority than the owners? You see a slave market. The church has told you that the slaves aren't people. Why would you believe them?
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Aug 3, 2018 14:06
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jivjov posted:Yes, I do listen to myself. I recognize that I am not the license holder for Star Wars and I don't have the authority to declare what is and isn't canonical. Why do you think you have more authority than the owners? Because no one should give even the most remotest, faintest fucks about anything that a corporation thinks or tells you to think. That's what they're doing. They're telling you what to think re: Star Wars. "Don't believe how the movies depict Lando; he's actually queer" is telling you what to think.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:27
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Nebalebadingdong posted:You see a slave market. The church has told you that the slaves aren't people. Why would you believe them? Because contrary to real life slaves, Star Wars droids are fictional, with qualities assigned by writers and curated by the Story Group.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:27
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Waffles Inc. posted:Because no one should give even the most remotest, faintest fucks about anything that a corporation thinks or tells you to think. They're not telling anyone what to think; they're curating what is and isn't part of the continuity. You understand the difference between fiction and reality, yes?
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Aug 3, 2018 14:28
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jivjov posted:They're not telling anyone what to think; they're curating what is and isn't part of the continuity. These two clauses are incongruent, JivJov. Put another way, by "curating what is and isn't part of the continuity" they are making decisions that apparently affect your relationship with Star Wars. They are controlling your thoughts and you're letting them.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:30
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JivJov, what is your ancestry? Thinking about making a custom nation in EU4 so I can make their religion Church of the Jedi or something and can role play as you with the rest of Catholic Europe representing this thread. National Ideas: 1. B1 Battledroids Army Morale +10% 2. Sand people travel single file all generals have +3 maneuver 3. Now Witness the Firepower of This Fully Armed and Operational Battle Station!! Missionary strength +3% 4. It’s a trap! all admirals have +3 maneuver; heavy ship price -20% 5. Grand Temple +2 missionaries 6. At last we shall have our revenge Spy building network +5% 7. I am the Senate yearly legitimacy +1 8. Clouded, the future is Foreign spy detection -10% 9. Jakku is Tatooine Raise Stability cost +10% 10. The Story Group Troops have 2x rebel suppression (up to -10)
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Aug 3, 2018 14:32
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Let the author die. Kill him, if you have to
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Aug 3, 2018 14:33
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This has to be one of SMG's more masterful manipulations. He made a post where he casually drops "Jakku and Tatooine are the same planet", and here we are like 10 pages later still going at it about canon and droid personhood. Unbelievable.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:34
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Guys, I'm actually a member of story group and we've just decided that Jakku ISN'T Tattooine, but it is Jedha. I am sorry for the confusion SMG, jivjov.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:36
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jivjov posted:Because contrary to real life slaves, Star Wars droids are fictional, with qualities assigned by writers and curated by the Story Group. I know its been beat to death, but A New Hope shows droid suffering and a droid slave market. If Story Group claimed otherwise, you would disbelieve your own eyes at their behest.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:36
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Basebf555 posted:This has to be one of SMG's more masterful manipulations. He made a post where he casually drops "Jakku and Tatooine are the same planet", and here we are like 10 pages later still going at it about canon and droid personhood. Unbelievable. I almost can't help but stare in that combination of shock and fascination that this dude who has been posting in the Star War threads since time began and who was always gently ribbed for his almost adorable fixation on the TFA death star not being a death star being actually one of the most radical religious zealots i've encountered online
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Aug 3, 2018 14:36
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I will admit even though I keep this thread bookmarked I only pop in like once every 1000 posts or so, which is typically ~ 8 weeks. I’m glad this was one of those times. My post per day count has gone up by like .1 in the past week lol. Embarrassing (for me)
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Aug 3, 2018 14:38
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Basebf555 posted:This has to be one of SMG's more masterful manipulations. He made a post where he casually drops "Jakku and Tatooine are the same planet", and here we are like 10 pages later still going at it about canon and droid personhood. Unbelievable.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:42
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's not really manipulation, there's just a bunch of posters who jack SMG off and repost his theories endlessly and one guy who hasn't realized engaging with them in good faith is a stupid idea. this is an even worse take than anything JivJov has said
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Aug 3, 2018 14:45
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Waffles Inc. posted:These two clauses are incongruent, JivJov. Put another way, by "curating what is and isn't part of the continuity" they are making decisions that apparently affect your relationship with Star Wars. They are controlling your thoughts and you're letting them. They aren't "controlling my thoughts". They're curating the continuity such that there's an ongoing Star Wars universe for me to relate to at all. By your metric, George Lucas was bad for making The Empire Strikes Back because he established a continuity between that film and the original.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:48
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jivjov posted:They aren't "controlling my thoughts". They're curating the continuity such that there's an ongoing Star Wars universe for me to relate to at all. Jivjov, are you flat out incapable of relating to works of fiction without somebody else controlling how you do it?
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Aug 3, 2018 14:54
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dublish posted:Jivjov, are you flat out incapable of relating to works of fiction without somebody else controlling how you do it? Nobody is controlling me. The Story Group curates the canon, that's all. Nobody's clockwork orange'ing my eyes open in front of a copy of Last Shot or something
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Aug 3, 2018 14:56
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jivjov posted:Yes, I do listen to myself. I recognize that I am not the license holder for Star Wars and I don't have the authority to declare what is and isn't canonical. Why do you think you have more authority than the owners? Because I'm not a bootlicker
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Aug 3, 2018 14:57
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jivjov posted:Nobody is controlling me. The Story Group curates the canon, that's all. Nobody's clockwork orange'ing my eyes open in front of a copy of Last Shot or something No you're doing that to yourself
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Aug 3, 2018 14:57
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jivjov posted:Nobody is controlling me. The Story Group curates the canon, that's all. Nobody's clockwork orange'ing my eyes open in front of a copy of Last Shot or something You mentioned a couple pages back that without the Story Group, Star Wars would be like Star Trek Why is Trek "worse" in your eyes?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:01
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's not really manipulation, there's just a bunch of posters who jack SMG off and repost his theories endlessly and one guy who hasn't realized engaging with them in good faith is a stupid idea. You will not stop me. Lord Jivjov will become more powerful than either of us!
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Aug 3, 2018 15:02
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Waffles Inc. posted:You mentioned a couple pages back that without the Story Group, Star Wars would be like Star Trek Trek is worse because jivjov is incapable of relating to it, because nobody has said how to do so.
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Waffles Inc. posted:You mentioned a couple pages back that without the Story Group, Star Wars would be like Star Trek It's a personal preference. I prefer a singular ongoing continuity over having to try to keep track of which story arcs are considered canonical, which aren't, which things exist in their own little bubble of continuity, etc
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