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The liberals refused to mobilise and as a result, Qadis was sacked by the malovelent morrocans. My support for them is now gone. Screw the imperialists. 
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Huh, we did pretty well. I'm almost tempted to vote for the Imperialists again.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:06
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The tragedy at Qadis is certainly terrible, but we must remember three things: First, that a better navy could have prevented Morocco from making landfall to begin with. Second, that the army which won the war was made of conscripts all across our great nation. This was not just an Andalusi victory, it was a Granadan victory, a Portuguese victory, a Castilian victory. And lastly, that we won, and that Frangleterre may soon be reduced to just France - and then, at last, to nothing. The price has been steep, but the prize at stake is tremendous. I know who I'll caucus with.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:07
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Pakled posted:I said the same thing when I saw that map. Those colonial borders are atrocious and they'll stay atrocious unless we give the Imperialists another term. I'm talking about IBERIA. We've been trying to fix it the WHOLE GAME. And if we don't we'll end up fascist, so we have to put off the socialists for at least another term.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:10
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To my eye the voting breaks down thus: Royalists are too dangerous to elect under any circumstances for the forseeable future given how close to a reactionary hellhole we are. Though we need to be careful not to fall behind in mil tech. Moderates are fine, possibly 1st choice depending on our tech situation; hopefully they would still support a war to reclaim our cores under the right circumstances. Imperialists are fine, probably 1st choice if we don't need to go back to culture techs. More naval focus would be good vs. Morocco. Passing some reforms would be good. Socialists are too anti-military to be a good choice at the moment since Morocco is still a mortal threat and we still need our cores back.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:16
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Imperialists did nothing wrong!
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Aug 3, 2018 21:18
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Hashim posted:It didn't make sense narratively to jump straight into another European war, steeped in war debts and an unruly population, but it doesn't matter that much. Whoever gains power next (unless it's socialists) will just get the job done. But couldn’t we have mobilized and declared war on Catalonia immediately when the Rhine Crisis War started? I guess I thought that the jingoist Imperialists would have immediately used the opportunity to reclaim the rest of Iberia, but I guess maybe that would have made more sense under the Royalists. Also, I’m so happy that the Chinese borders are cleaned up. Thank you, Guang.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:18
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Hashim posted:Nope, I followed thread advice and allied with Egypt, who then declared war on Cyrenaica (who was in Morocco's sphere), with us becoming war leader upon joining the war. It ended pretty quickly, with Egypt then turning on us and allying with Morocco, for whatever reason. I always knew the crusaders weren't trustworthy 
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Aug 3, 2018 21:23
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Ugh JFC I'm gonna have to vote for the Imperialists again just to fix our drat borders because the Socialists and Moderates won't reconquer the rest of the peninsula, aren't I?
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Aug 3, 2018 21:24
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The Moroccan diplomacy is amazing. They consistently turn their greatest threats into allies.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:26
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Well, the socialists would've left 2/3 of the Army defending Iberia
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Aug 3, 2018 21:26
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Snipee posted:But couldn’t we have mobilized and declared war on Catalonia immediately when the Rhine Crisis War started? I guess I thought that the jingoist Imperialists would have immediately used the opportunity to reclaim the rest of Iberia, but I guess maybe that would have made more sense under the Royalists. Yeah, this is what i meant. Declare war on Catalonia as soon as the Rhine war started. Just like Ibriz did with Pueblo.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:26
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RabidWeasel posted:To my eye the voting breaks down thus: Agreed. Personally I want another term for the Imperialists, but narratively Moderates fits more closely.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:27
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Snipee posted:But couldn't we have mobilized and declared war on Catalonia immediately when the Rhine Crisis War started? I guess I thought that the jingoist Imperialists would have immediately used the opportunity to reclaim the rest of Iberia, but I guess maybe that would have made more sense under the Royalists. Yeah, I'm a little annoyed we didn't take that opportunity too, would have been a good time to roll over them without much opposition. Also Hashim: some of those army composition shots at the start of battles were atrocious, with up to like 2/3rds artillery, was that just an oversight in the heat of battle?
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Aug 3, 2018 21:28
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Like if we would just loving finish getting our cores back I could settle into the Socialists for the rest of the game and happily just build railroads and forts and pass reforms. But nope, it's been forty goddamn years and we still haven't managed to retake one single goddamn peninsula so lol. This game is really infuriating sometimes. Need some kind of crying :alandalus:
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Aug 3, 2018 21:29
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At least Catalonia are now out of Morroco's sphere so we can just attack them immediately with no consequences. Unless they kept alliances? But to speak of our colonies, the best part is that the borders will remain awful forever unless we either attack our only friend Benin or Hashim writes a custom decision to buy their land. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 21:31
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burn marrakech to the ground and salt the earth beneath it, imho
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Aug 3, 2018 21:35
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sheep-dodger posted:Also Hashim: some of those army composition shots at the start of battles were atrocious, with up to like 2/3rds artillery, was that just an oversight in the heat of battle? Not gonna lie, I could've paid more attention, but I did make sure the army comps were the perfectly fine 4/1/5 before starting the war. We took a lot of casualties during the early battles though, and our infantry brigades just didn't reinforce fast enough. I fixed up the armies campaigning in France when we mobilised, though that resulted in a ton of pure-infantry armies in Iberia, and those comps couldn't be fixed because we had no money. There's probably gonna be a shift in that department over the next few years though, especially if royalists come back to power, with a ton of artillery armies built so that we can just throw mobilised infantry into them when war is declared.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:36
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Hashim posted:There's probably gonna be a shift in that department over the next few years though, especially if royalists come back to power, with a ton of artillery armies built so that we can just throw mobilised infantry into them when war is declared. Now you're thinking with Industrial warfare 
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Aug 3, 2018 21:37
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Frionnel posted:At least Catalonia are now out of Morroco's sphere so we can just attack them immediately with no consequences. Unless they kept alliances? Nope, no alliances. And I can definitely add a custom event to exchange colonies with Benin in the future, if we can snag something they might want.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:40
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Hashim posted:There's probably gonna be a shift in that department over the next few years though, especially if royalists come back to power, with a ton of artillery armies built so that we can just throw mobilised infantry into them when war is declared. Hashim posted:especially if royalists come back to power Hashim posted:royalists back to power Hashim posted:royalists Yes
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Aug 3, 2018 21:43
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Hashim posted:Nope, no alliances 
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Aug 3, 2018 21:43
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Hey, Hashim, how did Poland fair in the war? I think this was the first time its soldiers fought since it declared independence during the Springtime of Nations. Also, I'm pleasantly surprised by the Celtic Union's slight resurgence. I'm still hoping that the memory of the Republic of York lives on in the English heart, but they did a good job taking advantage of the Dual Monarchy's situation. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 21:45
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QuoProQuid posted:Hey, Hashim, how did Poland fair in the war? I think this was the first time its soldiers fought since it declared independence during the Springtime of Nations. They actually did fairly well, invading Hannover and besieging their capital before peace was reached. Their army's strength was somewhere in the region of 30 brigades, nothing to snuff at.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:50
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Hashim posted:Nope, no alliances. And I can definitely add a custom event to exchange colonies with Benin in the future, if we can snag something they might want. Alright, just this one time i'll support the imperialists in the interests of better borders. THIS ONE TIME. Use it well, liberals! Frionnel fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 21:52
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Frionnel posted:Alright, just this one time i'll support the imperialists in the interests of better borders. THIS ONE TIME. Use it well, liberals! Is this really more important than reclaiming cores? The Imperialists won't do you any good there, the only enemy they have a stomach for fighting are savages armed with spears and hide shields.
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Aug 3, 2018 21:54
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Randarkman posted:Is this really more important than reclaiming cores? The Imperialists won't do you any good there, the only enemy they have a stomach for fighting are savages armed with spears and hide shields. I will note that when the Royalists were in power we lost our strongest ally and got bogged down in an arguably much worse war, in large part so we could swing our dicks around in Palermo for no good reason whatsoever.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:03
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Randarkman posted:Is this really more important than reclaiming cores? The Imperialists won't do you any good there, the only enemy they have a stomach for fighting are savages armed with spears and hide shields. Well, by Hashim's words, whoever wins next, except for the socialists, will attempt to take Catalonia, so that's not an issue. And i want the sultan to be irrelevant, not the opposite.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:07
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MaxieSatan posted:I will note that when the Royalists were in power we lost our strongest ally and got bogged down in an arguably much worse war, in large part so we could swing our dicks around in Palermo for no good reason whatsoever. To a random event. Also reconquered alot of land in Iberia and was only stopped from finishing the job due to said randomly leaving ally allying Morocco and forcing an end to the war. Also because the Moderates had spent the past two decades just dilly-daddling around even when Morocco was beset by crisis. We never should have allied the Dual Monarchy in the first place, I bet you if you look at the people who were most in favor of that alliance you won't find that many Royalists. Frionnel posted:Well, by Hashim's words, whoever wins next, except for the socialists, will attempt to take Catalonia, so that's not an issue. And i want the sultan to be irrelevant, not the opposite. Attempt, yes. But we know that there is only one party that will attempt and succeed at reconquering all rightfully Andalusian territory. The reconquest of Iberia is not complete with Catalonia.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:09
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Probably should've mobilized before the capital was sacked.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:10
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Randarkman posted:Attempt, yes. But we know that there is only one party that will attempt and succeed at reconquering all rightfully Andalusian territory. The reconquest of Iberia is not complete with Catalonia. I agree, the moderates are the sanest option
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Aug 3, 2018 22:11
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Frionnel posted:I agree, the moderates are the sanest option I prefer the socialists, but I also want to clean up the rest of Iberia. Moderates seem like the wisest choice even if it’s not as exciting (read: reckless). Does all colonization efforts stop if we switch away from the Imperialists? We already have the ball rolling, so I feel like narratively, there should still be some inertia there.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:19
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The real question is if the Moderates will improve our drat boats
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Aug 3, 2018 22:20
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Beyond pouncing on Catalonia, what are the Moderates likely to do as regards cleaning up the rest of Iberia? They did less than nothing the last time they had the opportunity to kick the Moroccans out of Cartagena. Anyway, fortune favors the bold.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:21
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I would have thought imperialists would have given us a good navy, if nothing else.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:21
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Flavius Aetass posted:I would have thought imperialists would have given us a good navy, if nothing else. I agree, the Imperialists have failed in every conceivable way. Vote Royalist.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:22
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Snipee posted:I prefer the socialists, but I also want to clean up the rest of Iberia. Moderates seem like the wisest choice even if it’s not as exciting (read: reckless). Does all colonization efforts stop if we switch away from the Imperialists? We already have the ball rolling, so I feel like narratively, there should still be some inertia there. There will be some colonisation under a Moderate government (there would also be some under royalists, but none under socialists), but our naval bases won't be expanded and our navy won't be improved. Flavius Aetass posted:I would have thought imperialists would have given us a good navy, if nothing else. The navy is in much better shape than before, and we've discovered ironclads, which almost nobody in the world has yet. It'll take longer than a decade to build a navy that can challenge the Moroccans though. hashashash fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:I would have thought imperialists would have given us a good navy, if nothing else. It's a process! We would already HAVE a powerful navy if we hadn't voted in the Royalists. One more term of boats will do the job; once more term of absolutism will do nothing but erode our precious civil liberties for no good reason.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:27
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Yeah one more of Imperialists to build an actually good fleet and the infrastructure will be legit. After that I'm honestly not sure.
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