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vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Andrew Scheer could run a campaign with the slogan "gently caress off we're full" and he would get 65% of the vote.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:39

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 17:06

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

hope for the future

Seriously though what's the real number, somewhere in the 80s? 90s?

e: Torstar says "almost 70 https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/19/new-data-show-69-of-illegal-border-crossers-are-being-granted-asylum.html

Ottawa Senior Citizen says 53: https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sadrehashemi-four-myths-about-canadas-border-crossings

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 3, 2018

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:50

Suplex Liberace: Jan 18, 2012

Lol that leadership poll at the end. Dissolve the country.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:50

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
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I am done following politics if Scheer gets in.

gently caress this dumb gently caress country.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 15:56

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
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flakeloaf posted:

hope for the future

Seriously though what's the real number, somewhere in the 80s? 90s?

e: Torstar says "almost 70 https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/19/new-data-show-69-of-illegal-border-crossers-are-being-granted-asylum.html

Ottawa Senior Citizen says 53: https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sadrehashemi-four-myths-about-canadas-border-crossings

I was also curious. It has been decreasing over time, 2018 is at 40% so far.

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Of the 10,790 asylum claims received from March to September of [2017], the refugee board has processed 592, or 5.4 per cent. Of those claims 69 per cent, or 408 cases, were granted asylum, while 141 were rejected. Forty-three other claims were either abandoned or withdrawn.

The acceptance rate for the border-crossers is even higher than the 63-per-cent overall rate for asylum-seekers in 2016.
...
Forty percent of such border crossers whose claims were finalized in the first three months of this year were granted refugee status, down from 53 percent for all of 2017, according to data provided by Canada�s Immigration and Refugee Board. There were no claims finalized in the first three months of 2017.

The Immigration and Refugee Board said on Tuesday it has received no directives or guidance on how to deal with these border crossers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-immigration-border/canada-granting-refugee-status-to-fewer-illegal-border-crossers-idUSKCN1IN1CO

# ? Aug 3, 2018 16:21

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of ~~the desert~~ the oil sands yet, so that still makes us better than the USA therefore everything is fine. :downs:

# ? Aug 3, 2018 16:52

Testikles: Feb 22, 2009

Furnaceface posted:

But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of ~~the desert~~ the oil sands yet, so that still makes us better than the USA therefore everything is fine.

And if it did happen they would say that it was the refugee's fault.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:40

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Furnaceface posted:

But hey at least we arent putting kids in death camps in the middle of ~~the desert~~ the oil sands yet, so that still makes us better than the USA therefore everything is fine.

Whatever we did that poo poo way before the Americans did. Except it was native children so nobody gave a singular gently caress.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:54

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

I wish we could convince people in Canada that you can have a successful socialist government and still be racist as gently caress. Just look at Sweden.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 17:55

The Zombie Guy: Oct 25, 2008

Testikles posted:

One of my friends is an arch conservative and has kids. It'd probably kill our friendship but I honestly want to point out that he literally has sold out his children's future to be more comfortable. His kids will know famine, war, disease, and death all because he didn't like being told what to do.

I feel like bringing this sort of thing up to my parents. They're both retired, and spend most of the Fall and Winter in the southern US. When Dougie first got the nod for leader of the PCs, I called my Dad and told him. He was flabbergasted that they chose him over Christine Elliott, and then heaved a sigh, saying he's going to have a hard time voting for him. But he did anyway, because, you know, Boomers.
I want to point out that because he doesn't want to vote for someone less terrible, his grandchildren that he dearly loves are going to have a lot of problems. I'm sure he feels that leopards won't eat the faces of HIS grandkids, right?

Anyway, Fallout has already predicted that the US will annex Canada for our water and resources, so we can just bide our time until then.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:05

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# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:05

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way.

Also what the gently caress is the difference between a 'refugee' as in someone trying to escape oppression based on religion sexuality etc and an 'economic migrant' trying to escape terrible economic conditions, systemic poverty and lack of opportunity to succeed due to horrific socioeconomic conditions? Especially since those conditions can almost always be traced back to deliberate sabotage of their home countries by European and North American governments as part of a plan to keep the cost of labour and resources from those countries artificially low?

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:06

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Or how about nice, successful, cosmopolitan switzerl

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:08

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

EvilJoven posted:

Also what the gently caress is the difference between a 'refugee' as in someone trying to escape oppression based on religion sexuality etc and an 'economic migrant' trying to escape terrible economic conditions, systemic poverty and lack of opportunity to succeed due to horrific socioeconomic conditions? Especially since those conditions can almost always be traced back to deliberate sabotage of their home countries by European and North American governments as part of a plan to keep the cost of labour and resources from those countries artificially low?

it's the difference between "the white man's burden to take in and shelter some faraway folks who'd be killed in their homeland so we can look ethical without actually doing anything", vs. "importing the poor and lazy so they can be poor and lazy here".

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:10

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

EvilJoven posted:

This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way.

Also what the gently caress is the difference between a 'refugee' as in someone trying to escape oppression based on religion sexuality etc and an 'economic migrant' trying to escape terrible economic conditions, systemic poverty and lack of opportunity to succeed due to horrific socioeconomic conditions? Especially since those conditions can almost always be traced back to deliberate sabotage of their home countries by European and North American governments as part of a plan to keep the cost of labour and resources from those countries artificially low?

Unfortunately somehow once again both the Liberals and the NDP have allowed the Conservatives to control the messaging and a majority of this country believes it would be impossible to integrate 40k people into a massive country of 36 million.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:12

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

EvilJoven posted:

This is an immigration crisis, but not in a 'we need barbed wire and guard towers' sort of way but in a 'we're failing to help these people integrate into society and that's unacceptable and we need to do better' sort of way.

Also what the gently caress is the difference between a 'refugee' as in someone trying to escape oppression based on religion sexuality etc and an 'economic migrant' trying to escape terrible economic conditions, systemic poverty and lack of opportunity to succeed due to horrific socioeconomic conditions? Especially since those conditions can almost always be traced back to deliberate sabotage of their home countries by European and North American governments as part of a plan to keep the cost of labour and resources from those countries artificially low?

No joke, read this essay by Pankaj Mishra in the LRB on "human rights". He talks about how in the post-Cold War world the West needed a new defining thing to fight about, and they decided it would be human rights:

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Back in 1999, Moyn was bewitched by the idea of America administering justice to the world�s afflicted and benighted. He wasn�t alone. The 1990s were prodigal with illusions generated by the collapse of communist regimes, the retreat of social democracy in Europe and the abandonment of socialist ideals in postcolonial Asia and Africa. The ethical vacuum had been filled by human rights, which were entrusted, as Moyn wrote, with �the grand political mission of providing a global framework for the achievement of freedom, identity and prosperity�. It was in 1999 that Blair announced in Chicago: �We are all internationals now, whether we like it or not.� Western values and interests had miraculously merged, and it was imperative to �establish and spread the values of liberty, the rule of law, human rights and an open society� � by force, if necessary. The first Gulf War, ostensibly fought for the human rights of Kuwaitis, had already helped crystallise a creed in which national sovereignty was no longer inviolate. Human rights, commanding universal approval, came in useful in trashing the principle that had given small countries some protection against superpowers during the Cold War.

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What differentiated the Western model from many Asian, African and Latin American networks of women�s groups and indigenous peoples, or alternative development and environmental organisations, was its indifference to �economic and social rights�: what Moyn defines as �entitlements to work, education, social assistance, health, housing, food and water�. Focusing on the violations of individuals� rights by states, human rights groups valuably documented the crimes of the Contras in Nicaragua, the army and death squads in El Salvador, and state terrorists in Guatemala. But they were largely indifferent to the abuse of power by non-state actors: the kleptocratic oligarchies that emerged in Asia, Africa and Latin America throughout the 1990s and 2000s. Nor did they have much to say about the terrible effects of the structural adjustment programmes implemented by the IMF and the World Bank in the 1980s and 1990s. Human rights politics and law, Moyn argues, may have sensitised us �to the misery of visible indigence alongside the horrific repression of authoritarian and totalitarian states � but not to the crisis of national welfare, the stagnation of the middle classes and the endurance of global hierarchy�.

There's a lot more in the article itself, please read it. It really illuminates a lot about this issue. We accept refugees fleeing threats of physical violence because the new hegemonic global ideology of human rights sees political oppression and physical violence as invalid. But we reject refugees fleeing economic violence (where we used to accept, for example, Soviet defectors who defected because the West was rich) because economic oppression and structural social violence is seen as valid in an ideology where if you're not in imminent danger of being shot, maimed, or imprisoned for your identity or your political beliefs, you have nothing to complain about.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:22

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
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The end times are indeed here:

https://twitter.com/robyndoolittle/status/1025431313593982976

Although I wonder how horrible and regressive a GMI could be. Need to provide your own blood for daily drug tests, during which a Local Freedom Officer demands you sing the songs of the Orange Lodge.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:24

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Hand Knit posted:

The end times are indeed here:

https://twitter.com/robyndoolittle/status/1025431313593982976

Although I wonder how horrible and regressive a GMI could be. Need to provide your own blood for daily drug tests, during which a Local Freedom Officer demands you sing the songs of the Orange Lodge.

There's no way I'm clicking that to read it, but the fact that the title is "The conservative case for a guaranteed income" and the subtitle is "Could a universal income make the welfare state obsolete?" tells you everything you need to know. Basic income is popular among some capitalists as a way to shrink the state while still ensuring everyone can remain a good oppressed petty consumer even while automation impoverishes them all. It's a way to perpetuate the system that grants capitalist elites such enormous wealth, by giving the poor just enough that they don't starve to death and rise up against structural injustice, in a format that justifies cutting all the other things the state does or could do to level inequality. Because if you just weren't so lazy and untalented, you could use your basic income to rise through our perfectly meritocratic system and be a billionaire like Elon Musk.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:31

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Hand Knit posted:

The end times are indeed here:

https://twitter.com/robyndoolittle/status/1025431313593982976

Although I wonder how horrible and regressive a GMI could be. Need to provide your own blood for daily drug tests, during which a Local Freedom Officer demands you sing the songs of the Orange Lodge.

A conservative implemented GMI would literally remove every single social safety net program to provide people with just enough basic income to not starve or freeze to death.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:34

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

I have zero trust that a UBI wouldn�t result in complete gutting of every other form of social welfare leading to a net loss across multiple metrics.

Edit beaten

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:38

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Hand Knit posted:

The end times are indeed here:

https://twitter.com/robyndoolittle/status/1025431313593982976

Although I wonder how horrible and regressive a GMI could be. Need to provide your own blood for daily drug tests, during which a Local Freedom Officer demands you sing the songs of the Orange Lodge.

Wente's timing couldn't be better, coming after Ford has already cancelled the pilot in Ontario.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 18:39

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

vyelkin posted:

We accept refugees fleeing threats of physical violence because the new hegemonic global ideology of human rights sees political oppression and physical violence as invalid. But we reject refugees fleeing economic violence (where we used to accept, for example, Soviet defectors who defected because the West was rich) because economic oppression and structural social violence is seen as valid in an ideology where if you're not in imminent danger of being shot, maimed, or imprisoned for your identity or your political beliefs, you have nothing to complain about.

Main_Stream_Leftism.txt

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:03

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Canada leading the way in postmodern racism:

quote:

Fists fly, and so does a megaphone, as refugee crisis inflames local politics in Toronto area
The protest was an illustration of the truism that all politics is local, and that even global crises can become ballot questions in municipal council races

From the moment a protester grabbed a counter-protester�s megaphone and hurled it into the fountain of the Markham Civic Centre, Saturday�s demonstration against illegal border crossings and their effect on suburban Toronto degenerated quickly into violence and anger.

Police arrived to separate men who had thrown a few punches, and others who seemed about to, including one man who was pushing another as he held up a sign reading �Not In My Back Yard,� according to video captured by Ming Pao Daily News.

It was a small rally of a few dozen mainly Chinese-Canadian protesters in Markham, a city northeast of Toronto, and hundreds of kilometres from any land border with the United States. Nevertheless, as the demonstration was met by a smaller group of pro-refugee protesters, it became a flashpoint in the North American refugee crisis, with Markham�s mayor, Frank Scarpitti, as the unlikely main target.

At issue was a rumour that Markham was about to agree to house as many as 5,000 asylum seekers in unused buildings, after Toronto asked for help accommodating an overflow.

�Say NO to Mayor Frank!� read several signs in identical red lettering. Others played off the recent shooting rampage in Toronto: �Do Not Let Tragedy Happen In Markham.�

�MARKHAM SAY NO TO ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS,� another read. �ILLEGAL FREE RIDER NOT INVITED.�

Many of the opposing, pro-refugee signs were branded with the logo of the Canadian Union of Public Employees.

A woman spoke to the crowd in Mandarin, rhetorically addressing the government as she described the question of Canada�s response to asylum seekers as one primarily of public safety.

�It should not be this way,� she said, seemingly on the verge of angry tears. �You (the government) have to make sure that we�re safe.�

It was an illustration of the truism that all politics is local, and that even global crises can become ballot questions in municipal council races.

The day before, the nomination period had closed on the mayoral election in Markham, in which the incumbent Scarpitti is being challenged by four candidates who signed up at the last minute.

One of those challengers, Steven Chen, a real estate agent, said in an interview he was not at the protest and knew nothing about it until he saw the news.

�Everything illegal, that�s a problem. Not just refugees,� he said in an interview.

There is no plan to house refugees in Markham, according to the mayor�s office.

Scarpitti said in a statement that he and other Ontario mayors recently discussed the acute temporary housing shortage in Toronto caused by the increase in asylum seekers crossing from the United States. Toronto had asked for help with that problem, as well as others such as connecting people with potential employers.

�Mayors from across the province offered their support including examining existing capacity within their shelter systems, potential temporary housing sites and facilitating opportunities for seasonal and full-time employment,� the statement read. �Nothing has been finalized as options are very limited regarding any Markham locations being used for temporary housing and there is no update at this time. It is important to note that the majority of asylum seekers are well educated, employable and have found permanent accommodations within 90 days. There would be no cost to the Markham taxpayer. All costs would be the responsibility of the City of Toronto and other levels of government.�

Scarpitti also sounded a note of frustration that this issue, over which he has limited influence, is being used to criticize him.

�It is the federal government�s responsibility to evaluate and determine who is granted permission to stay taking into account Canada�s laws and international agreements. Our possible involvement in this issue is only to address the urgent request for help from the City of Toronto on their critical shortage of shelter capacity.�

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Anti-immigration groups at Parliament Hill protest demand apology from Trudeau

SHAAMINI YOGARETNAM Updated: February 19, 2018

Hundreds of Asian-Canadian protesters, supported by several white, far-right, anti-immigrant groups stormed Parliament Hill on Sunday afternoon to demand an apology from the prime minister.

According to plans for the protest on voteforright.com, members of the Asian-Canadian community feel victimized by a Toronto girl�s false claim in January that an Asian man cut off her hijab and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau�s apparent rush to view the fictitious incident as a hate crime.

�As the real victim of the hijab hoax, our Asian community was completely ignored by PM Trudeau,� reads a statement on the website.

The group, an unlikely ally for the far right, was met with counter protesters from anti-fascist and anti-racist groups, many of whom covered their faces as they protested.

A man who identified himself as �Yuanyuan� said, �There are some out-of-town conservative Chinese racists and they are collaborating basically with some white nationalist groups here in Canada. As a Chinese Canadian, I�m pretty ashamed about that. That�s why I�m here.�

The large Asian group, with members coming from Toronto and Vancouver to join members of the Ottawa Chinese-Canadian community, chartered buses for the event.

�We want to oppose them,� Yuanyuan said. �We don�t want them on our Hill saying they get to represent Canadian values. We know that their rhetoric is basically trying to normalize violence against minorities and marginalized folk. It�s not really a discussion about whether or not multiculturalism is good or not. We know that they stand for genocide.�

About 100 anti-racist protesters � while denouncing white supremacy and chanting about how welcome Muslims are � also repeatedly screamed �f-ck the police.�

Providing security for the Asian protesters were several anti-immigration, ultranationalist groups such as Quebec�s La Meute � or Wolf Pack � and the Northern Guard. Several Proud Boys � a far-right men�s group � were also in attendance.

La Meute�s St�phane Roch said his members � of which there are 42,000 in Quebec � were in Ottawa to support the Chinese community.
Roch called them �real Canadians� who have been in the country for hundreds of years. �The Chinese community are a very good community. Trudeau don�t listen to them.�

�The government has to work for the citizens, not for themselves,� Roch said. �The power has to go to the citizens. They have to listen to us.�

An organizer with the Chinese-Canadian community who asked a reporter to �just call me Monica� said the event was behind schedule and chose not to speak to a reporter from this newspaper.

Several Chinese-Canadian protesters were there with their children, who held signs condemning the �hijab hoax� and �fake news.� The signs urged the government not to �stir up ethnic disputes.� Multiple people approached by a reporter indicated they did not speak English.

But speakers urged respect for �human rights� and asked that all Canadians be treated equally.

Among the sea of protesters were several placards taking aim at Trudeau, not Muslims.

Evan Balgord, a journalist and researcher who is following the rise of the new far-right movement in Canada, said that what was branded as anti-Muslim is being re-purposed as anti-Trudeau rhetoric.

�They always were anti-Trudeau, anti-Liberal government, anti-multiculturalism, anti-M-103 (a motion to condemn Islamophobia in the country) but the anti-Trudeau rhetoric is coming more and more to the front.�

The RCMP said four people were arrested during the protest. All were released and issued trespass notices, which bars them from returning to the Hill for 60 days. No criminal charges were laid.

A large group of Ottawa police escorted both groups on and off the Hill.

Several Chinese-Canadian protesters were there with their children, who held signs condemning the �hijab hoax� and �fake news.� The signs urged the government not to �stir up ethnic disputes.� Multiple people approached by a reporter indicated they did not speak English.

But speakers urged respect for �human rights� and asked that all Canadians be treated equally.

Among the sea of protesters were several placards taking aim at Trudeau, not Muslims.

Evan Balgord, a journalist and researcher who is following the rise of the new far-right movement in Canada, said that what was branded as anti-Muslim is being re-purposed as anti-Trudeau rhetoric.

�They always were anti-Trudeau, anti-Liberal government, anti-multiculturalism, anti-M-103 (a motion to condemn Islamophobia in the country) but the anti-Trudeau rhetoric is coming more and more to the front.�

The RCMP said four people were arrested during the protest. All were released and issued trespass notices, which bars them from returning to the Hill for 60 days. No criminal charges were laid.

A large group of Ottawa police escorted both groups on and off the Hill.

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Multiple people approached by a reporter indicated they did not speak English.

This is the most Canadian thing ever since those lovely Brazilian owned donuts or that terrible American beer commercial.

:canada:

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:20

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club

Jesus Christ - gently caress each and every single one of those mother loving FYGM idiots.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:26

Tsyni: Sep 1, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

Helsing posted:

Canada leading the way in postmodern racism:

This is the most Canadian thing ever since those lovely Brazilian owned donuts or that terrible American beer commercial.

I had to make sure those articles weren't satire. This is surreal.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:28

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

In CI's absence, let me be the one to remark on how adorable it is when white people see someone from another part of the world out-racisting them.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:28

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

The fact none whites can be racist af isn't new but the alliance between immigrants who literally don't speak English and La Meute seems unprecedented.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:43

Ardent Communist: Oct 17, 2010; ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Maybe they're coordinating in French?

# ? Aug 3, 2018 19:57

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

If they live in the burbs, hate immigrants and speak French then they're already more Canadian than most of this thread.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 20:05

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

The far right uses hateful minorities the same way the conservatives use rural voters. They're cannon fodder who will be thrown under the bus the moment the elites get what they want. See also, jontron.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 3, 2018

# ? Aug 3, 2018 20:13

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

But guys they're not white and only whites are racist this doesn't make any sense.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 21:39

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can�t be racist against whites.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 21:57

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

https://tvo.org/blog/current-affairs/the-day-the-queens-park-press-corps-fought-back

A TVO writer describes the boorish behavior the OPC uses to suppress media question periods.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:11

Testikles: Feb 22, 2009

DariusLikewise posted:

I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can�t be racist against whites.

You can but it has to be in an incredibly rare set of circumstances.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:12

Testikles: Feb 22, 2009

Like maybe in Japan you could be racist against white people

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:13

berenzen: Jan 23, 2012

Testikles posted:

Like maybe in Japan you could be racist against white people

At that point, the white person is the minority though. Pretty sure he was talking about in North America

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:17

Tsyni: Sep 1, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

DariusLikewise posted:

I make this statement unironically. Minorities can be racist against other minorities. You can’t be racist against whites.

I mean, surely this is a reaction to white people saying things like, "those Mexicans hate whites!!" but... Still seems like a dumb thing to say.

The idea that you can't be racist against a non-minority group seems false just on definition. I'm always troubled when I hear it repeated. Maybe someone has a compelling argument?

I obviously don't think racism against whites is a pressing issue right now.

Tsyni fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 3, 2018

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:44

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Apparently that Wente article goes into Charles Murray poo poo. Just as well I didn't read it lmao.

EvilJoven posted:

But guys they're not white and only whites are racist this doesn't make any sense.

I mean, it is a legitimate rhetorical challenge. As much as you can make an academic case that this can all be described as 'white supremacy,' talking that way isn't going to be politically forceful.

A good, hearty chuckle and Canadian politics trying to develop its own rhetoric rather than just importing it from the US.

# ? Aug 3, 2018 22:50

The Cheshire Cat: Jun 10, 2008; Fun Shoe

Tsyni posted:

I mean, surely this is a reaction to white people saying things like, "those Mexicans hate whites!!" but... Still seems like a dumb thing to say.

The idea that you can't be racist against a non-minority group seems false just on definition. I'm always troubled when I hear it repeated. Maybe someone has a compelling argument?

quote:

I obviously don't think racism against whites is a pressing issue right now.

It's basically two separate things (which is why I've split your post into two quotes). The first is a semantic argument where going by definition, yes, obviously people can technically be "racist" against white people because racism is just about judging someone based on a superficial quality shared by a group rather than their actions as an individual.

The second is about privilege, where the argument is more that because white people are such a privileged group, racism against white people doesn't actually matter because it has no meaningful consequences for them. Meanwhile racism against minority groups absolutely DOES have significant consequences for a lot of people.

When people are making the semantic argument as a serious point, it's usually a disingenuous attempt to equate "some people said some mean things about white people on facebook" and "black people are being murdered by cops who then face no consequences" as being morally equivalent.

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Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

The only reason we're hearing about this now is that Chinese people stayed out of politics most of the time but now times are a changing and now white people get to hear what us kids have always heard for all of our lives around the dinner table

# ? Aug 3, 2018 23:18

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