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Since we were just talking about the virtues of Colorado Springs https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/07/30/former-deputy-child-porn-gets-probation/ quote:COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (CBS4) — A former El Paso County Sheriff’s deputy who created a pornographic image involving a young boy took a plea deal that allowed him to avoid prison time.
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That somehow isn't on the local news on tv. They're all focused on the cop that was shot the other morning.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:04
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DownByTheWooter posted:Guess the wrong one got shot He was no angel
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wow the springs really is a libertarian magnet
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Vasudus posted:wow the springs really is a libertarian magnet It's loving crazy here. Honestly, I only ended up here because Denver is hilariously expensive and Pueblo seems like it was used to film all the "generic lovely neighborhood" shots in Breaking Bad.
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According to the administration, it's the ACLU's responsibility to re-unite the separated families, not the government's  https://www.apnews.com/06cbb79a77ba4b07964a801c108cef84/US,-ACLU-divide-on-how-to-reunify-separated-families
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Vasudus posted:wow the springs really is a libertarian magnet Focus on the Family is based in Colorado Springs. It's loving full of crazy people.
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The only person i know who lived in the Springs was some gamefaqs poster who identified as a libertarian but championed every policy the bush admin poo poo out including the iraq war and said, in 2006-7 even, that the history books would absolve george w bush. I think he also cited the boer war as an example of how to run the counterinsurgency though I may be misremembering that last bit.
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Woa, I never actually heard her talk before, for some reason I was surprised to see that she's as dumb as a loving brick.
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Same here. She sounds like a dim wit and you hear a lot of her dad in her.
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imagine thinking for even a moment that any of Trumps childrens were maybe intelligent
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not caring here posted:Same here. She sounds like a dim wit and you hear a lot of her dad in her. Well. "A lot" might be stretching it. A couple of inches at most
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Vasudus posted:wow the springs really is a libertarian magnet Just like new hampshire
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Also speaking of NRA, Dana Loesch said she was publicly lynched. She got better.
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mods changed my name posted:imagine thinking for even a moment that any of Trumps childrens were maybe intelligent This was the big talking point during the election. gently caress, Hilary explicitly complimented his kids. Also in hellworld news: https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1025429291532726274
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not caring here posted:a lot of her dad in her. PHRASING
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Fister Roboto posted:PHRASING What? She's packed full of Trump DNA.
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mlmp08 posted:Also speaking of NRA, Dana Loesch said she was publicly lynched. Superbeets! When I see her name in the news, I think of terrible tasting vegetable based energy drinks.
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Niton posted:What? She's packed full of Trump DNA. She's called him daddy quite a bit
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HEY! PHRASING!
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Trump administration has been ordered to restart DACA. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daca-judge-john-bates-orders-trump-administration-to-restore-program-today-2018-08-03/
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Nuclear War posted:Well. "A lot" might be stretching it. A couple of inches at most holy toledo
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https://twitter.com/eriqgardner/status/1025498792295129091 Will....will we finally know for sure?
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i have never doubted the piss tape
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GoGoGadget posted:https://twitter.com/eriqgardner/status/1025498792295129091 Nah they’re limited extremely to 3 yes/no questions. Did McCain give the first 33 pages to the FBI via Comey in December 2016? Did the FBI receive the last two pages or confirm they had all 35 pages before the January briefing with Obama and Trump? Finally did the national security team brief Trump and Obama on the contents of the dossier? The judge addressed all the factors pretty clearly. The government was still trying to claim that these questions would be “unduly burdensome” and the judge’s response is to say three yes/no answers is “Not a heavy lift.”
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Vasudus posted:i have never doubted the piss tape The piss tape exists, but it's not Trump getting peed on. It's just hookers pissing on a bed at his direction because (I'm guessing his phrasing) "that friend of the family obama slept in it." The tragic part is that his approval ratings would go up with CHUDS for saying exactly that.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The piss tape exists, but it's not Trump getting peed on. It's just hookers pissing on a bed at his direction because (I'm guessing his phrasing) "that friend of the family obama slept in it." Probably, but it would also endanger any less than blazing-red state GOP congressman to claim any kind of support for Trump at all after this as well.
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That Works posted:Probably, but it would also endanger any less than blazing-red state GOP congressman to claim any kind of support for Trump at all after this as well. "Everybody's just a little bit racist"
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Yeah but people tend to forget that song has more lyrics. Like "doesn't mean we go around committing hate crimes" Avenue Q is near and dear to my heart.
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That Works posted:Probably, but it would also endanger any less than blazing-red state GOP congressman to claim any kind of support for Trump at all after this as well. You say that, but absolutely nothing else has so far. Republicans care only about their grift, and they're grifting to the max while trump MAGAs so they're happy to keep supporting him silently. If Mueller comes out and says "yeah, Trump unequivocally has committed obstruction" and lays out every single element, Republicans will just dismiss it as biased and do nothing.The only way anything changes is getting republicans out of control.
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Mr. Nice! posted:You say that, but absolutely nothing else has so far. Yup. Though it would be hilarious if a bunch of Trump's close associates and family went to prison on state charges he couldn't pardon.
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can a state charge an individual on a state level offense related to a crime they were federally pardoned for? or does that fall into jeopardy issues would laugh if the nyag just charges manafort with all the crimes and uses his signed acceptance of the federal pardon as evidence but i dont think it works like that
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Vasudus posted:can a state charge an individual on a state level offense related to a crime they were federally pardoned for? or does that fall into jeopardy issues It really depends on the state's laws and whether or not someone was actually tried for a federal crime first. If Trump gave a pre-charge pardon, ala Ford to Nixon, then jeopardy may not have properly attached and all state charges may be available. As far as testimonial evidence, that depends once again on the state. Florida has mirrors of the bill of rights in it's own constitution including the 5th amendment. While the pardoned person would not have federal 5th protection in state court for their pardoned crimes, they may have state level protection that does the same. So to answer your question, it really just depends on the crime, the state charges, and whether or not jeopardy actually attached at the federal level. Our constitution was drafted with the belief that the people in charge of it will behave in good faith, though, so we've never had to actually test this. In a realistic sense, this is unprecedented and with the current makeup of the SCOTUS there's no telling which way they'd come down.
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Vasudus posted:can a state charge an individual on a state level offense related to a crime they were federally pardoned for? or does that fall into jeopardy issues Federal pardon couldn't be used as evidence, but if you violate New York state money laundering and wire fraud laws, you're going to Dannemora for 15 years, period.
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BigDave posted:Federal pardon couldn't be used as evidence, but if you violate New York state money laundering and wire fraud laws, you're going to Dannemora for 15 years, period. What he's asking about is 5th amendment protections. Federal pardons aren't evidence, correct. But once pardoned, you lose your 5th amendment rights regarding that particular crime. We've never tested how this works with federal pardons and concurrent state level charges, though, because we've never had quite this much of a bad faith actor as president.
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