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the superstructure of whiteness is one of the central pillars that maintains capitalism in the united states. u must dissaccociate urself with whiteness if u can ever hope 2 dismantle it, come on ppl this is 101 stuff
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:Radical Centrist alert!!! Have you ever considered that by fearing a possible future oppression you are in the way of stopping current oppression? Let me give you an example: the justification for black nationalism is "due to our oppression by white people, black people need their own state to be free". And morally, it's hard to say no. You can look at police shootings, slavery, modern day slavery in the prison system, etc. That's all costed money, lives, and welfare. So there's definitely 'standing' for secession. But suppose it were to happen: wouldn't that just validate every single piece of rhetoric, that dipshit nazis put out, about how multiculturalism is bad, and you need ethno-nationalism or whatever? In a world where idpol is the only legitimate response to idpol, there is no room for subversion of the assumptions underlying the whole system. It's just a chain of poo poo, that perpetuates itself, forever and ever, until the heat death. Grape posted:Being really really really into economic leftism, but completely uninterested in social leftism is the goddamnest thing to me.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wait seriously? has she done that? oh yeah. she jumped in with both feet on bruenig
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wait seriously? has she done that? she was heavily involved in Jacobinghazi on the Marcotte/Kendzior side and she also pushed for, and celebrated, the firing of Matt Bruenig for his tweets, which is deeply ironic (he has come to her defense today and said she doesn’t deserve to be fired which I agree with despite my hilarious joke post)
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selec posted:oh yeah. she jumped in with both feet on bruenig thats lovely. 
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:she was heavily involved in Jacobinghazi on the Marcotte/Kendzior side and she also pushed for, and celebrated, the firing of Matt Bruenig for his tweets, which is deeply ironic (he has come to her defense today and said she doesn’t deserve to be fired which I agree with despite my hilarious joke post) yeah gently caress her. I don't think she should be fired for her posts but lol gently caress her all the same.
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I am not going to utter the cursed words “rudatron is right” (and he isn’t, gently caress you rudy) but a certain kind of performative over the top hyperwokeness almost always masks deeply reactionary personal politics. see: corncob aiston, chappy, marcotte, etc. the nyt is so awful Jeong being there can only improve it and I’ll take her eight days a week over bari weiss or Stephens or Sullivan but in an ideal world she’d mark the rightward edge of the discourse in the op ed page
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Aug 4, 2018 02:59
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Slugnoid posted:its ok to be a honky 
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i like to make white genocide jokes constantly around PoC to prove i'm an ally. what's wrong with that
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Karl Barks posted:i like to make white genocide jokes constantly around PoC to prove i'm an ally. what's wrong with that white people have to Nazi if you even joke about being mean to them. it’s in their blood.
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Aug 4, 2018 03:08
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rudatron posted:Observe the number of meltdowns a simple stance of 'racism is bad' has produced. Refusing to hate white people is racism.
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rudatron posted:It's not a future oppression that's concerning me, it's a future 'split' that undermines the possibility of solidarity. If the response to tribalism is more tribalism, 'ironic' or not (and the extent to which it is 'ironic' is not clear cut), the 'tribe' as a legitimate political unit is reinforced. I say, as I meltdown hard.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I say, as I meltdown hard. that's actually just a normal rudatron post love u ruda <3
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Karl Barks posted:that's actually just a normal rudatron post I know Rudatron can’t help but meltdown whenever this gets brought up. it’s hilariously sad.
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rudatron posted:It's not a future oppression that's concerning me, it's a future 'split' that undermines the possibility of solidarity. If the response to tribalism is more tribalism, 'ironic' or not (and the extent to which it is 'ironic' is not clear cut), the 'tribe' as a legitimate political unit is reinforced. Most black nationalists don't want to literally start their own ethnostate, genius. The "black nation" is principled resistance to white supremacy through the development and transmission of beliefs and practices that affirm the dignity and humanity of black americans. And before you go on about how nazis just want to secure the existence of their people and a future for white children, the reason black nationalists feel the need to assert the power of blackness is because they live in a culture that is actively hostile to them in the most extreme degree. Without hyperbole it is self-defense. "Black is beautiful" isn't the equivalent to "white is beautiful" because only one of them counters a destructive message that black people receive every day of their lives. They don't want to live apart: they want to live free, and they understand that unless America becomes less racist in a meaningful way, that requires a certain amount of defensiveness. If you feel personally attacked by that truth, it's because you're blind to reality and thus part of the problem. All this "let's not talk about race because it's divisive" idiocy follows from the premise that all people start out on an equal field when it comes to race, so to speak, so any move to center race by one category is morally equivalent to an attempt to center race by another, but cops don't shoot white kids to death for carrying toy trains.
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so wait, i haven't followed this jeong thing but her tweets were actually parodies of andrew sullivan? and sullivan is now freaking out and calling jeong a racist? holy lol white expats in china are all like this except for a certain mod yeah i'm a mod suckass what are you going to do about it punk BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 03:21 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:white people have to Nazi if you even joke about being mean to them. Taking away my racial comfort is violence. Because it makes me violent.
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Karl Barks posted:that's actually just a normal rudatron post rudatron once made a moral dilemma thread where they got real mad when the moral dilemmas weren't solved the way they wanted it to i feel like that tells you everything you need to know about them
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:so wait, i haven't followed this jeong thing but her tweets were actually parodies of andrew sullivan? and sullivan is now freaking out that jeong is a racist? That one is the most clear and obvious example that when she says this poo poo it's always mocking. I've followed her for years on twitter, and she made the decision a long time ago to just dish back what the chuds have been throwing at her for years and years and years. They really really don't like her and they are forcing the controversy. She is absolutely a mean, angry troll, and she also happens to be a good journalist while she's at it.
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every single person on the right is arguing in bad faith at literally all times, i'm not sure why people who should assumedly know better keep falling for it
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I am not going to utter the cursed words “rudatron is right” (and he isn’t, gently caress you rudy) but a certain kind of performative over the top hyperwokeness almost always masks deeply reactionary personal politics. see: corncob aiston, chappy, marcotte, etc. Frankly I'd be fine with the Gateway Pundit as a NYT oped writer if it meant I never had to see either Brett or Weiss again. There should be a max of one never trumper.
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I'm have never suggested that "don't talk about race" would be helpful. You've missed the point. It's about how that resistance is philosophically conceptualized - whether it reaffirms racial essentialization, or undermines it. You, and everyone else itt, has simply chosen to reinforce it, rhetorically and philosophical, for reasons that basically amount to "triggering the libs". Okay, suppose you succeed, suppose you get: lib.status == triggered. What now?
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rudatron posted:I'm have never suggested that "don't talk about race" would be helpful. You've missed the point. It's about how that resistance is philosophically conceptualized - whether it reaffirms racial essentialization, or undermines it. You, and everyone else itt, has simply chosen to reinforce it, rhetorically and philosophical, for reasons that basically amount to "triggering the libs". shut the gently caress up
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:she was heavily involved in Jacobinghazi on the Marcotte/Kendzior side and she also pushed for, and celebrated, the firing of Matt Bruenig for his tweets, which is deeply ironic (he has come to her defense today and said she doesn’t deserve to be fired which I agree with despite my hilarious joke post) i read this and for a moment, i thought she was bad, but then i thought about how insanely mad her years-old tweets make all of the worst posters, and so now i think perhaps she is good? in short, sarah jeong is a land of contrasts
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rudatron posted:I am not and have never been opposed to social leftism, you gigantic moron. But I base my beliefs on my conviction in human beings as human beings. "I'm really into economic equality!" "Eww gross don't talk about differing social classes, it makes me really uncomfortable."
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rudatron posted:I'm have never suggested that "don't talk about race" would be helpful. You've missed the point. It's about how that resistance is philosophically conceptualized - whether it reaffirms racial essentialization, or undermines it. You, and everyone else itt, has simply chosen to reinforce it, rhetorically and philosophical, for reasons that basically amount to "triggering the libs". No silly, it's not essentializing anything if the concept of race is already essentialized as part of a system of domination. It's just naming what's happening. The United States is a country founded on white supremacy and its few dalliances with a social safety net have been crippled by building racism right into the structure of them. Why did all the white racists become republicans between 1960 and 1980? They used to be pretty evenly distributed between the two major parties, but between Nixon and Reagan one of them became the open party of white supremacy. Why did that happen?
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Irrelevant, I'm asking you to judge your own actions, and hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. You simply refuse to do this. You have chosen to use the logic and philosophy of essentialization, because you find it entertaining or whatever. What does that say about you? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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wow and I thought somebody got killed in Portland already
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business hammocks posted:No silly, it's not essentializing anything if the concept of race is already essentialized as part of a system of domination. It's just naming what's happening. The United States is a country founded on white supremacy and its few dalliances with a social safety net have been crippled by building racism right into the structure of them. Why did all the white racists become republicans between 1960 and 1980? They used to be pretty evenly distributed between the two major parties, but between Nixon and Reagan one of them became the open party of white supremacy. Why did that happen? in all seriousness that is why it’s been rather hard to appeal leftism to more minorities as a lot of hardcore leftists get really invested in the capital question and kind of forget that the idea of making everything better for everyone kind of ignores minorities issues and just compacts them into everyone else. Bernie Sanders ran into this problem and even though he eventually did learn it was kind of to late. I know he isn’t hardcore left but he does represent the issue they have to deal with very well.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:wow and I thought somebody got killed in Portland already someone's dying in here
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rudatron posted:Irrelevant, I'm asking you to judge your own actions, and hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. You simply refuse to do this. You have chosen to use the logic and philosophy of essentialization, because you find it entertaining or whatever. What does that say about you? What the gently caress are you talking about? I'm trying to teach your little bitch rear end that black nationalists don't want to build an ethnostate, something you could have learned for yourself by reading a book from your local library. Why didn't you read a book from your local library before presuming you were an expert in American culture and history?
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rudatron posted:Irrelevant, I'm asking you to judge your own actions, and hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. You simply refuse to do this. You have chosen to use the logic and philosophy of essentialization, because you find it entertaining or whatever. What does that say about you? In your emphasis on communication and outreach to average folks did you ever try factoring in NOT sounding like your every idea and experience with political issues came right out of a text book?
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rudatron posted:Irrelevant, I'm asking you to judge your own actions, and hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. You simply refuse to do this. You have chosen to use the logic and philosophy of essentialization, because you find it entertaining or whatever. What does that say about you? larger systemic forces are irrelevant, it is only your own personal actions that have meaning, i say, as i shrink into a succdem
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