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 Kudos to Rovert in the wwe thread for posting this poster and making me wonder something I've never been to an indie show of this type before, just incredibly low level local stuff and WWE, so how do they typically work with these "also appearing" types. Like there's no way Foley or Duggan or whomever are working a match, what do they typically do at these shows? Are they just at the meet the stars bit before the show? In ring promos? Actually forced to fight each other in a Randy the Ram-level tragedy?
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I went to a local show a few years back where they had Jake the Snake there, and he did a promo, then a bad guy came out and Jake gave him a DDT.
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projecthalaxy posted:
Promos, managers, special enforcers, etc Basically, Mick ain't bumping. Everyone else will probably work, even if minimally. Jake Roberts was the guest for the indy that tours Canada and stops in my town on every tour. He seconded a young talented kid named Roy Gordon who wrestled Chase Owens, Owens won after a drat good match, then talked poo poo on Jake afterwards, bailed before Jake could get to him, then his opponent for the next show stopped him from leaving, tossed him in the ring, and Chase ate a DDT. Massive pop, everyone's happy. It's basic stuff but it works and it's fun, especially if you like the guest in question. Since Jake was the first bad guy I ever liked as a kid, I had a nice time.
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Aug 3, 2018 02:38
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projecthalaxy posted:
I'm pretty sure Foley will be doing the classic "Get in the ring to shill *insert thing person is shilling*, heel comes out, cuts a promo on them, gets hit by *insert signature maneuver of legend*". So in this case the heel is going to get Mr. Socko'd. Duggan might wrestle a quick quasi-squash because he's in slightly better shape as far as taking bumps goes. Nothing too serious, probably something like crashing into the turnbuckles to slowly topple over (safer than bumping, especially in indie rings of questionable construction), getting locked in a resthold/submission to get the crowd to clap to give him the energy to break out of it & get a run of momentum to hit whatever Duggan's finish is.
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Aug 3, 2018 02:40
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Ted Dibiase hit one of the local guys with Dreamstreet when he was here, I thought that was nice of him. Better than Honkytonk Man doing the Shake Rattle and Roll while never leaving his feet
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oldskool posted:I'm pretty sure Foley will be doing the classic "Get in the ring to shill *insert thing person is shilling*, heel comes out, cuts a promo on them, gets hit by *insert signature maneuver of legend*". So in this case the heel is going to get Mr. Socko'd. Jim'll probably tag with someone local to the company putting on the show since he's getting older but that sounds about right. I hope Jim is working because he wants to and not because he has to at this point.
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Sometimes the promotion puts Joey Janela in the ring with Marty Janetty for 15 minutes and let god sort it out. But yeah typically it's a heel heels it up, ECW legend comes out and hits a finisher, goes home. Most of these guys aren't taking bumps any more, and most of the ones who are shouldn't be. There's a few (Gangrel, apparently?) who still go basically full speed but just don't do dives or anything, but it's not common.
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Aug 3, 2018 02:47
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Cool. It sounds like most of these appearances are fun these days. That's cool. Not like the old stories you'd hear of Jimmy Snuka coming out clearly unaware of where he was and making everybody all sad.
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projecthalaxy posted:Cool. It sounds like most of these appearances are fun these days. That's cool. Not like the old stories you'd hear of Jimmy Snuka coming out clearly unaware of where he was and making everybody all sad. Yes, we're thankfully past the era of Snuka, Honky Tonk Man and Jim Niedhart being the "names" on a card and wrestling longish, lovely boring matches. That was super common in the mid to late 90's but I think a lot of promoters have realized that people expect more from the in-ring segments of shows, so by all means book old stars, just don't book 'em to go 20 unless they're actually capable. Like Jerry Lawler still works 10-15 minute matches, but Lawler's a genuine master of the craft who can do that, keep the crowd engaged, and not have to take a Spacefuck Tanaka Banana Driver '91 to do so. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Spacefuck Tanaka Banana Driver '91 My question is, despite saying driver, what kind of move do you think this would be? I think a sweet twisting plancha.
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I mean is this Masato Tanaka? I imagine it would involve piledriving yourself onto a chair
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it's just the ganso bomb from no mercy, except somehow there's a flip involved
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:it's just the ganso bomb from no mercy, except somehow there's a flip involved It's either this or an armbar with a toothy grin
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Jim'll probably tag with someone local to the company putting on the show since he's getting older but that sounds about right. Years of unpaid taxes? Well you just come and try to get them tough guy!
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oldpainless posted:Years of unpaid taxes? Well you just come and try to get them tough guy! Mike Rotunda enters to a huge pop.
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DeathChicken posted:Ted Dibiase hit one of the local guys with Dreamstreet when he was here, I thought that was nice of him. Better than Honkytonk Man doing the Shake Rattle and Roll while never leaving his feet Ted does more than you think. Ricky Steamboat last year and this year would do his whole comeback at age 65 as remembered it.
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Suplex Liberace posted:My question is, despite saying driver, what kind of move do you think this would be? I think a sweet twisting plancha. Hands-free german suplex.
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ChrisBTY posted:Hands-free german suplex. Excuse me that's the Dickplex '18.
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DeathChicken posted:I mean is this Masato Tanaka? I imagine it would involve piledriving yourself onto a chair it's actually Minoru Tanaka, so it's a suplex but he punches you square in the mush
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Draxion posted:Sometimes the promotion puts Joey Janela in the ring with Marty Janetty for 15 minutes and let god sort it out. Gangrel was featured in our hometown promotion early this spring and not only did he dive (between the ropes but still), he also took a bump on the unprotected floor which was nice of him to do in front of 150 people. I was ready to yell "how 'bout you, Dracula, you fat bastard" at him once he came near me but after that I decided not to.
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Gangrel rules and gives no fucks. Seemingly the nicest and jolliest pro wrestler/porn producer ever
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Gangrel's interview with Colt is interesting. He's a self-described Florida cracker who got his break in Japan, and learned how to work a really stiff style that he had to change in the US. He and Luna came up with the Vampire Warrior gimmick as a reference to Lost Boys, which explains a lot, and it was kind of a fluke that he was able to play that into the Gangrel gimmick during the brief time Russo had full creative control. "Vampire Warrior" is a stupid name, but I'm sure it sounded better as Vampiro Guerrero in Puerto Rico.
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He’s also done a lot of work to retain the gangrel trademark, to the point where he owns it on soap, collectible cards, halloween costumes, etc. I think he owns the song too, but probably not the exact specific Jim Johnston version
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I mean, that's the case with a lot of Spanish names in Mexico too. Rey Bucanero is way cooler than Pirate King. Edit: Rey anything is better than King, really. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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checksin posted:He’s also done a lot of work to retain the gangrel trademark, to the point where he owns it on soap, collectible cards, halloween costumes, etc. I'm not sure how he can do that when it was owned by White Wolf, is now owned by CCP (the EVE Online company), and is licensed to two different companies making parallel versions of Vampire. He said the trademark fuckery is the main reason he doesn't get invited back or featured on the Network often.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not sure how he can do that when it was owned by White Wolf, is now owned by CCP (the EVE Online company), and is licensed to two different companies making parallel versions of Vampire. He said the trademark fuckery is the main reason he doesn't get invited back or featured on the Network often. Gangrel the wrestler got the trademark earlier this year in a court case when the owner tried to sue WWE. https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/exclusive-free-white-wolf-gangrel-now-owns-his-name
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Didn't think it was possible, but good for him!
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Aphrodite posted:
Jerry "El Rey" Lawler?
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Silver King disagrees.
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Endless Mike posted:Silver King disagrees.
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El Rey De Los Slamburgers
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The Younger Mysterious King 
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Aphrodite posted:I mean, that's the case with a lot of Spanish names in Mexico too. 
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NameHurtBrain posted:Jerry "El Rey" Lawler? All hail Rey Bookah.
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Halloween Jack posted:Didn't think it was possible, but good for him! yeah he talked about it on edge & christian's podcast he sounded really proud of it
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maybe if he went by Rey he wouldn't constantly have to be disambiguated with the AoF/KoF character King
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Alaois posted:maybe if he went by Rey he wouldn't constantly have to be disambiguated with the AoF/KoF character King I too have trouble telling the difference between a gigantic Mexican jaguar man and a petite blonde androgyne.
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ecavalli posted:I too have trouble telling the difference between a gigantic Mexican jaguar man and a petite blonde androgyne. i too have never had a textual or verbal conversation without ample visual aides
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checksin posted:yeah he talked about it on edge & christian's podcast Well, I would be, a lot of wrestlers had to give up their gimmick name when they left because it's WWE trademark. Gangrel gets to take his WWE name and use it when and where he likes instead of having to go by "Ganghoul" in JCW or whatever.
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For a while, I wondered why he didn't do the "Mordecai" thing and just go by some Anne Rice sounding name that got the point across. Then I heard him explain the long complicated process by which he got the gimmick. I'm still curious about why they chose "Gangrel" over one of the other vampire clans.
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