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PurpleXVI posted:I just can't tell if he's being set up as the final villain or the ultimate hero for the Alliance side. Man, you guys let me know if I've ever written any heroes.
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Azzur posted:Man, you guys let me know if I've ever written any heroes. Uther seemed pretty nice.
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Azzur posted:Man, you guys let me know if I've ever written any heroes. N...Necksmasher isn't a hero? 
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Azzur posted:Man, you guys let me know if I've ever written any heroes. How could Socialism ever be anything but heroic?
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...He speaks... But yes, the AI's insistence on building a Great Hall there is quite entertaining. The big thing to remember about peon slaughter is that once their primary mine runs out, they'll start sending peons en masse toward the next closest mine... regardless of how far away it actually is, and how well-defended. They might attack those defenses occasionally, but only because of standard "Attack the player" AI priorities, not out of any desire to protect their workers. And the peons will just keep coming, so long as they have gold to make them with...
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thetruegentleman posted:The Alliance didn't really need guns in the Second War though, because they were probably stretched thin just producing cannons (Warcraft logistics makes no drat sense, so that's just a guess) That's not even the worst example in canon of a faction inexplicably not using technology that absolutely should be a game-changer.  The current prize goes to the Alliance, who have an orbital spaceship/satellite laser that has yet to be used for anything beyond busting down a few bunker doors on another world.
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Regalingualius posted:That's not even the worst example in canon of a faction inexplicably not using technology that absolutely should be a game-changer. See? This poo poo makes me want to read the Lore thread we have here in SA, but I probably shouldn't have all y'all tainting my mind/nostalgia with the most batshit insane bullshit that Blizzard can muster. I like to dole it out slowly over research binges for the thread.
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Aug 5, 2018 05:40
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Regalingualius posted:That's not even the worst example in canon of a faction inexplicably not using technology that absolutely should be a game-changer. Wait, what.
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HardDiskD posted:Wait, what. Clearly the Alliance managed to hijack the Hyperion. It all makes sense in the coked up minds of Blizzard I'm sure.
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HardDiskD posted:Wait, what. Basically? After the Exodar crashed on Azeroth, the draenei began building a second, smaller interstellar ship, the Vindicaar... Which they finished constructing just in time to launch to Argus, their homeworld. After a ton of antics involving another group of the holiest of draenei crashing their own flagship when they were supposed to rendezvous, the Vindicaar had a giant laser retrofitted onto it. And it's now currently orbiting Azeroth, serving as the home base for the Lightforged Draenei... And so far as I'm aware, there are no indications that it's bigass laser is being used at all in the upcoming expansion's story.
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Frankly people kind of give the Vindicaar more credit than the narrative suggests it deserves. It's referred to frequently as an orbital laser by goons but there's no indication whatsoever it can actually serve as such. In the actual story the thing serves as more of a gussied up shiny airship, and what (fairly humble) laser bullshit it does is done from an aerial perspective, not orbital. Not even sub-orbital At one point it turned gold, and we're told this is important but not how or why. God the Army of the Light was such a wet fart. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Aug 5, 2018 |
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Aug 5, 2018 06:54
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Captain Oblivious posted:God the Army of the Light was such a wet fart. As I understand it, their big accomplishment was being too small of an issue for Warcraft Satan to bother sending an army after.
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Azzur posted:See? This poo poo makes me want to read the Lore thread we have here in SA, but I probably shouldn't have all y'all tainting my mind/nostalgia with the most batshit insane bullshit that Blizzard can muster. I like to dole it out slowly over research binges for the thread. The Lore Thread is like FYAD, except with less quality control. Avoid like the blood plague.
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nvm, this is probably too off topic. Deleting immediately.
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Azzur posted:See? This poo poo makes me want to read the Lore thread we have here in SA, but I probably shouldn't have all y'all tainting my mind/nostalgia with the most batshit insane bullshit that Blizzard can muster. I like to dole it out slowly over research binges for the thread. Eh, all the wow threads are kind of stuck on loop for dozens of pages right now. The current warchief committed genocide and torched the city she was intending to occupy because a dying defender said mean words to her.
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Aug 5, 2018 12:37
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FoolyCharged posted:Eh, all the wow threads are kind of stuck on loop for dozens of pages right now. The current warchief committed genocide and torched the city she was intending to occupy because a dying defender said mean words to her. And all the while Blizzard is talking about how morally grey the story of the new expansion is and how neither side is entirely in the right or wrong. They're also presenting straight up contradictory events to the Horde and Alliance to incense the faction divide further. It's a crock of fermented poo poo.
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Aug 5, 2018 13:30
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One of the best signs that fantasy lore sucks is if it invokes lovely sci fi lore as a backstory, ever.
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Aug 7, 2018 20:22
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It would be fun to have a series of videos where the maker explains the warcraft story as it evolved. So the first year would explain warcraft 3. Then they explain Everything that changed and was added in Vanilla Wow. Etc.
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Aug 7, 2018 20:29
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lobster22221 posted:It would be fun to have a series of videos where the maker explains the warcraft story as it evolved. Trouble is, the more expansions one covers in World of Warcraft, the more one needs to read the comics and books to actually know what the heck is happening in the actual game. That's probably the biggest problem with Blizzard in general now: in the past, you could learn everything you needed from the manual and the game itself. Now, you need to read a bunch of poorly written novels and comics if you want to know what the heck is actually going on, and even then, the writing is bad enough that things remain confusing.
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Aug 7, 2018 22:17
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thetruegentleman posted:Trouble is, the more expansions one covers in World of Warcraft, the more one needs to read the comics and books to actually know what the heck is happening in the actual game. That's probably the biggest problem with Blizzard in general now: in the past, you could learn everything you needed from the manual and the game itself. Now, you need to read a bunch of poorly written novels and comics if you want to know what the heck is actually going on, and even then, the writing is bad enough that things remain confusing. Thats fair. I think a Blizzard enthusiast could do it though.
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lobster22221 posted:Thats fair. I think a Blizzard enthusiast could do it though. The problem with that would be dealing with all the retcons that are constant and ongoing. But hey, at least we recently got "The warchief of the Horde commits genocide because a dying elf sassed her" and "How bout I summon a giant flying ghost ship for battlefield support?"
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ikanreed posted:One of the best signs that fantasy lore sucks is if it invokes lovely sci fi lore as a backstory, ever. Might and magic are my favorite games and I will fight you
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Cythereal posted:But hey, at least we recently got "The warchief of the Horde commits genocide because a dying elf sassed her" and "How bout I summon a giant flying ghost ship for battlefield support?" I can get behind the latter. The former, not so much. Say, "yeah, well, you're dead" and move on. No need for further violence unless the elf comes back as undead or something. Blizzard, if I just gave you an idea, I hope I get paid.
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Drakenel posted:Might and magic are my favorite games and I will fight you that's pretty much an exception that proves the rule, a long running rule apparently as even far back as the 50s that pulp magazines put 'Astronauts named Adam and Eve/Evelyn' in the auto-eject pile for submissions.
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Drakenel posted:Might and magic are my favorite games and I will fight you also a good series to demonstrate that abandoning that construct doesn't improve the series going forward either Yes, I'm still bitter about what Heroes of Might and Magic became...20 years later
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achtungnight posted:I can get behind the latter. The former, not so much. Say, "yeah, well, you're dead" and move on. No need for further violence unless the elf comes back as undead or something. The current warchief is a bit of a temperamental idiot, though. "You think this will secure the Horde's victory? I pity you. You can no more extinguish our spirit than you can eradicate life itself." "Eradicate life itself? Challenge accepted."
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Cythereal posted:The current warchief is a bit of a temperamental idiot, though. Whether the dying nelf had anything to do with her decision also depends on which version of events you choose to believe! In the novella, the dying nelf merely gives her an idea for how to recoup the failure to assassinate the enemy leader, she doesn’t give a poo poo about anything the nelf actually said. This is Blizzard so both and neither are canon.
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Cythereal posted:The problem with that would be dealing with all the retcons that are constant and ongoing. Hearing about those retcons and what they changed is why it would be interesting. It would be a look at how the history changed over time. It wouldn't be lore videos, it would be a history of the lore.
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Prav posted:HoMM 5 and 7 were great though 7 was good? Never picked it up because 6 was pretty meh, plus the Ubisoft bullshit
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Slaan posted:7 was good?
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Poil posted:Sort of? There is a good HoMM game below all the bugs and glitches. For example lots of abilities don't work, combat tends to break with things like stacks occasionally becoming untargetable or hurt even with area spells until they move (guess how much enemy ranged units move), AI priorities standing inside firewalls, at least one artifact give the bonus to the enemy too even though the tooltip doesn't say anything about it, memory leaks like a net, tons of stuff is incorrect like the ability that supposedly increases luck damage to 200% (instead of the base 150%) actually increases it by 200% and I could go on for a very long time. The game balance isn't exactly great either with things like Haven having a level 1 creature which reduces incoming damage to friendly nearby stacks by 75% and takes 25% of it to themselves. Half the damage just magically disappears. And those are the good parts!(?) 
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Prav posted:HoMM 5 and 7 were great though HoMM 5 was fine and helped recover from 4, which is my least favourite of the series, but it wasn't the same. I have had copies of 6 and 7 wasting away in my uplay account with no desire to play them.
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Drakenel posted:Might and magic are my favorite games and I will fight you Thing is, Might and Magic did it without being smug about it. Like... it was never treated as a "HA HA, YOU SILLY PRIMITIVES WHO BELIEVED IN MAGIC AND/OR GODS, IT WAS SCIENCE ALL ALONG!" instead it was more of a "Alright, you know what's better than a +5 Sword of Murdering? A +5 Laser Sword of Laser Murdering! Also yes, your wizard's ability to summon enemy-annihilating elemental forces is still magic." And maybe the demons happen to be aliens.
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PurpleXVI posted:Thing is, Might and Magic did it without being smug about it. Like... it was never treated as a "HA HA, YOU SILLY PRIMITIVES WHO BELIEVED IN MAGIC AND/OR GODS, IT WAS SCIENCE ALL ALONG!" instead it was more of a "Alright, you know what's better than a +5 Sword of Murdering? A +5 Laser Sword of Laser Murdering! Also yes, your wizard's ability to summon enemy-annihilating elemental forces is still magic." And maybe the demons happen to be aliens. So instead of saying "This is a dramatic twist" it says"this is loving rad"? A lot of games and moves would be better with that attitude.
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lobster22221 posted:So instead of saying "This is a dramatic twist" it says"this is loving rad"? A lot of games and moves would be better with that attitude. You had robots and rayguns straight out of the gate in MM2 and especially 3. They were simply business as usual for the good folks of Terra. And yes, it was 
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lobster22221 posted:So instead of saying "This is a dramatic twist" it says"this is loving rad"? A lot of games and moves would be better with that attitude. Yeah, all of the game worlds from 1 through 5 were basically the Ancients' science experiments, but it just so happens that their science involved a good helping of magic, and there was no DRAMA TWIST when you got laser guns or fought robots or whatever. That was just, you know, business as usual, going from chopping apart lava elementals in 5 to burying your Doomsword in the head of a chaingun-armed robot. I think it's in 1 or 2 that you can hang out with Alien Greys and if you treat them nice they'll let you use their BRAIN EXPANDER to get an Intelligence bonus, and you get handed your "Congrats! You beat the game!"-screen by a Linux sysadmin. https://lparchive.org/author/Thuryl Thuryl played the early games, worth a read, entertaining LP's. 6, 7 and 8 rolled with much the same attitude, where 6 was mostly about unlocking the Ancients' armory so you could blast apart the invading aliens with laser guns, 7 was about being the deciding element in a fight between two groups of Ancients about whether their nanoforges should be used for producing guns to arm the goblins or medicines and other quality-of-life stuff for the world, and 8 was when the Ancients finally looked away from the TV for long enough to realize that your world was crawling with alien rebels, alien invader hives, unlicensed technology, powerful magic, etc. and decided to scrub the experiment, and you end up being the guys who go stop the Apocalypse Bot(tm) from doing its job. No clue about 9, since as far as I know no one's been able to get it running without crashing for long enough to actually finish the game, and 10 got universally bad-to-mediocre reviews so I never played it.
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I do need a new finished lp to read. thanks.
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Heroes of Annihilated Empires(GSC Game World, the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. devs) does this too, throughout the land of elves and orcs you occasionally hear jets flying by and see wrecked humvees and tanks. The game doesn't treat this as secret at all. The real twist is that in the final mission, the main antagonist, an undead lich, will first show up atop a skeletal horse and after that gets shot from out under him, comes back with an intact and functional M1 Abrams.
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