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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Kay Kessler posted:

While it is lovely, Catherine did come out in 2011. At the time, pop culture in general wasn't aware of deadnaming as a concept. Contrast to now when a game got dragged through the mud because someone believed they were endorsing deadnaming. This doesn't excuse it (if they were writing a trans character, they should have done the research after all), but I do have a modicum of faith the localization team will know that keeping "Eric" in could very well damage the sales of an already niche game.

That said if they don't remove it for the rerelease, then Q2 will be the last game by the Persona team I buy until there's proof they've cleaned up their act.

Katsura Hashino, the guy who directed Personas 3-5 and Catherine, isn't doing Persona any more, so the problem might already be fixed.

Hopefully.

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serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

So does the game actually prevent you from getting the full 50k in the dice room? Like, does it lock you out of going back there, or are you free to slowly grind up the amount you need at your leisure and never have to bother with the slots?

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017

serefin99 posted:

So does the game actually prevent you from getting the full 50k in the dice room? Like, does it lock you out of going back there, or are you free to slowly grind up the amount you need at your leisure and never have to bother with the slots?

I think the table runs out of coins, or your party members say you have to move on.

Iamgoofball
Jul 1, 2015

Arist posted:

Katsura Hashino, the guy who directed Personas 3-5 and Catherine, isn't doing Persona any more, so the problem might already be fixed.

Hopefully.

Unfortunately, he's still the director on Persona Q2, and the recent trailer for that confirmed that they're throwing in all 3 casts at once.

He's still got one last game to stuff homophobic and sexist garbage into.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
I still think you guys are being a bit too prude about that stuff.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change

MonsterEnvy posted:

I still think you guys are being a bit too prude about that stuff.

People are extremely sensitive these days because MUH FEEFEES. I personally don't care either way. But people like that seem to be the vocal minority. Also: Japan doesn't give two fucks what the west thinks, they'll do what they want.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

post/avatar combo

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Iamgoofball posted:

Unfortunately, he's still the director on Persona Q2, and the recent trailer for that confirmed that they're throwing in all 3 casts at once.

He's still got one last game to stuff homophobic and sexist garbage into.

As someone who actually enjoyed PQ, I'm still kinda dreading how one-note they can make a cast that's a third bigger than the last game.

I mean, Yusuke is prime material.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!

Iamgoofball posted:

Unfortunately, he's still the director on Persona Q2, and the recent trailer for that confirmed that they're throwing in all 3 casts at once.

He's still got one last game to stuff homophobic and sexist garbage into.

Two, technically, if you count Project Re:Fantasy.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Kemix posted:

People are extremely sensitive these days because MUH FEEFEES. I personally don't care either way. But people like that seem to be the vocal minority. Also: Japan doesn't give two fucks what the west thinks, they'll do what they want.

this, extremely this.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Glorious Nippon is free from the West's imperialist ideas about "not being lovely about trans and gay people".

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012
Literally within the last week, there was a giant protest calling for a prominent member of the Japanese government to face the consequences of making disparaging remarks about the LGBT community. You guys saying stupid poo poo like "lol Japan doesn't care about western ideals" and "the gays are sensitive babies" are tremendous assholes about this whole thing.

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

Nah.

fucking love Fiona Apple fucked around with this message at 13:46 on May 28, 2019

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

they aren't even good jokes

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

A Bystander posted:

Literally within the last week, there was a giant protest calling for a prominent member of the Japanese government to face the consequences of making disparaging remarks about the LGBT community. You guys saying stupid poo poo like "lol Japan doesn't care about western ideals" and "the gays are sensitive babies" are tremendous assholes about this whole thing.

I hadn't heard about this, that's a really positive news.

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene

cdyoung posted:

this, extremely this.

It's extremely not that, though.

Req.Martyr
May 4, 2016

I don't go by my caste, creed, or religion. My works speak for me.

Oh SA never change...

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


:yikes:

e: let's try not to make sense of Japan as some naturally regressive place, but let's also try not to apologize for some of this game's weirder hangups, okay?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Arist posted:

:yikes:

e: let's try not to make sense of Japan as some naturally regressive place, but let's also try not to apologize for some of this game's weirder hangups, okay?

Yes. Let's not :toughguy:

gently caress, what is it with long weekends and godawful posting? Was there a memo I missed or what?

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Part 144: 11/13-11/14: The Pointless Interlude



Ah, we’ve made it to the high limit floor. Now it’s just a straight shot to--

Music: Suspicion



Beyond this point is the high limit floor. Do you have a reservation?



We shouldn’t cause a scene.

Why not? Why are we still trying to be all polite?

Do you have a reservation?
It seems there is some kind of requirement we must meet before we can access this high limit floor.
Even though we got the coins?



I can’t imagine how though…
Her cognition…? Essentially, Sae-san needs to think of us as being allowed to enter, correct? Hm. This casino is the courthouse in reality… So that floor must be a place only authorized personnel are given access to… ...I would say it has to be the courtroom.
You really are an ace detective.
He’s come to understand the workings of the cognitive world so quickly.
I was just like that too, right?



It took you ages to get it, Ryuji.

Uh, code names?

I just… got a different sense of time, that’s all!
That aside, how are we going to get into the courtroom…?
Ryuji! Go piss off the police!

UH. CODE NAMES?

Hell no!
We just need to attend a trial. Still, how are we supposed to know which trials my sister will be attending…?
Leave that to me. I have some connections that come to mind. I will contact you once I manage to arrange a time. We should return to the real world for today though. Well, see you all at the courtroom.

Ah, so we come to another cognition block. Not counting Futaba’s because that didn’t actually impede our day-to-day progress, this is the second one… of two. Yep. What a great, involved gameplay mechanic.

Music: The Whims of Fate




Now returning to the real world from Niijima’s Palace. Thank you for your hard work.



It feels like we’re fairly close to the Treasure now. There’s no doubt we’re nearing the end.
I wonder how much we still have left… There’s a chance we’ll run into powerful enemies ahead… Or maybe I’m worrying too much… Well, I’ll be waiting to hear from you about our next venture.

Music: Beneath the Mask




I’m surprised she’s taking part in court at a time like this… She must be busy with the Phantom Thieves investigation as well…
She is originally a public prosecutor, after all.
That’s gotta be tough...
She may be our enemy, but I do sympathize with her in this regard.
Our enemy…
Oh, my apologies. That’s not quite what I meant.
It’s OK. You were just telling the truth. Anyway, we’ll need to act tomorrow, right? Thanks for letting us know.
You’re most welcome. At any rate, let us meet on-site after school tomorrow.
We really can’t fail this time. Let’s go about this carefully. After we go to the courtroom tomorrow, we should head straight into the Palace.

Yep! We’re heading straight into the Palace tomorrow! We don’t even get a choice! Why did they even make us leave?




Fineee… I’ll have you know I trained while working in Victoria. My skills are amazing. OK, I’ll head over right now, so just wait for me.

Music: My Homie




Music: Beneath the Mask



Th-The Phantom Thievesh! They’re… They’re hereeeee! Pl-Pleash don’t kill me! I wanna live! I wanna live! Urp…
*sigh* Everyone’s so scared… I guess people would be worried since we haven’t caught them yet.
Do not worry! I, Shido, will lead you! I’mma take care of ev’rything!



Do you know how much harm they’ve caused to people? They’re terrorists, I tell you! And you can’t count on the police. It’s time for the great detective Akechi to shine!
Where has he been, anyway? I haven’t seen him on TV at all lately…



...You think so? I believe the final outcome is a foregone conclusion. The new political party will definitely win. Their leader is a master of media.
I see… Although it IS a national election, which is basically a popular vote…

Music: Layer Cake



Let’s go see Iwai.



There’s somethin’ I gotta ask you to do. You’re free now, yeah?



...Kaoru wants to talk to you. Hold on; I’ll call him over.

Iwai Rank 10

Music: Sunset Bridge



I learned a lot about myself, so… I just wanted to show my appreciation.
Hmph… Intruding in on another private family moment.
You’re still droning on about that? I mean, it was quite a shock… but that’s what made you take me in, right? So who cares?
Whoa there, kiddo…
If you had just told me all of this sooner, you wouldn’t have been threatened.
Who your parents are and where you come from stays with you for your entire life. Thanks to my loser parents, I got bullied by complete strangers, and--
My father isn’t a loser though! He’s a brilliant business owner.

“Brilliant” is a word, sure. I’d probably use “mad sketchy,” myself.




Stop tryin’ to ruin the moment. *sigh* So in the end, I was just fightin’ my own demons… Stuck in my crappy childhood and all the problems I had growin’ up… My view of Kaoru was all distorted… ‘cause of my rotten childhood memories.

Did somebody say “distorted”!?

I forgive you.




Maaku laughs.

Why did you help my father out?



You willingly got involved in a yakuza dispute… Would someone normally take that big of a risk?



Hmmm… I’d understand if you were a member of the Phantom Thieves.



Goddammit, I am so bad at hiding this!

Fighting for the underdogs… like a gentleman thief, you know? People have their own opinions, but… I think the Phantom Thieves are super cool! I mean, the sexual harassment incident involving that teacher?

“And all that murder they did? So cool!”



We gotta go, Kaoru. The supermarket’s about to close. Aren’t you in charge of dinner tonight?
Oh crap! Please excuse me!



Kids grow up quick. They can be a pain in the rear end, but they’re worth it. ...All right, let’s close up shop. Go pull down the shutter.



Seems like he had a change of heart, just like them people they’ve been talkin’ about on TV.



I can’t be the only one who was saved by his change of heart. Wonder who else knows…



Heh, if you say so. Well, don’t worry. It ain’t really none of my concern. Man, you really had me fooled. That whole thing about being an enthusiast was all just BS. I hired you as a mere pawn… and now you’re Kaoru’s bro…



Oh, just dropping any pretense. Okay.



*chuckle* Interesting… All right, I’m gonna put all my effort into that special menu we talked about.
*nod*
I don’t like to owe nobody nothin’, so I’ll do my best for ya. ...Because that’s the kinda support I can provide.
I feel a strong bond with Iwai...

Music: The Spirit




Oh boy, gun customization!



Iwai is cool. It’s just kind of a shame his Confidant is shockingly boring even with all its yakuza intrigue and the fact that his Confidant bonuses are, as you might have guessed from my repeated unfulfilled promises to utilize them, kind of useless. He’s voiced by Kaiji Tang, a guy I’m liking more and more. He mainly plays really gruff characters with similar intonations, but he’s actually got way more range than that.



Music: What’s Going On?



And the knives are just replicas. They’re even less useful than a butter knife, y’know?




...We were in the middle of closing shop, weren’t we? Well, let’s get to it.
I feel like helping Iwai with his work has honed my Proficiency...

Maaku gains Proficiency +2.

Later.



--- DELETED BY ADMIN ---
Anon: 30 million yen OMG XD
Anon: if ur innocent, show yourself
Anon: they’re running loose rn...


Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)




Music: Everyday Days



Old movie posters are kind of scary. Maybe it’s the color…



It talked about movie techniques in such great detail. It really makes you appreciate film more… You know, we should go to the movie theater sometime!




Cinema Treasures apparently gives a 50% boost to gained social stat points from watching movies, just like if we had used Luck Reading. Apparently Cinema Treasures also stacks with Luck Reading so a first viewing can get boosted to 7 points, which can then be boosted to 10. We didn’t watch many movies though, so this wasn’t really worth reading earlier. The documentation on this one is kind of iffy but I’m pretty sure that’s how it works.

Music: Disquiet





Just being here causes my body to tense up.
I’m shocked that Niijima-san can think of somewhere this solemn as a casino…
So Makoto’s sis is that lady who’s overflowing with the aura of a capable woman.
...Mm-hm.
By the way, what’s this trial about?
A politician who decided to make personal use of government funds.



I read about that in a magazine! He went on a vacation with his mistress to some fancy hot springs!
Aren’t politicians supposed to be loaded? Why’d he mess with our tax money…?



Playing with other people’s cash is a total no-go.
This may sound off, but isn’t Niijima-san supposed to be busy with our investigation? Does she really have time to be coming to a trial like this…?
Supposedly, she was on this case before being assigned to the Phantom Thieves… Normally, another prosecutor would take her place, but… Sae-san can be a bit of a perfectionist.
Hey, how’re we gonna get Niijima-san to notice us? (to Makoto) Did you tell her we’d be coming?
I don’t think she read the message though.
Do we have a backup plan?
...Not exactly, but I’m sure she’ll notice us eventually.




Hm…? I noticed a lot of students here, but is that Akechi-kun… and Makoto? Now that I think about it, there was a message about her coming… *sigh* That doesn’t matter for now.
See?



All right! Niijima can see now that we’re allowed in the courtroom.




Music: The Whims of Fate



And we head right over. That scene was totally imperative to the game, wasn’t it? Didn’t just stall this whole thing out another day, right? There’s absolutely no loving way we could’ve just done this all at once, that’d be preposterous!

*sigh*

That’s all for now. We’ll finish the Palace next time.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Short update today. Was initially going to try to fit in the end of the Palace but I captured all the screenshots and I had like 210 so I had to break it up here. The next update's still going to be a monster, though.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
I'm remembering what comes next, and I'm not looking forward to it.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


I feel like the forced extra-day wait was to punish people who left it until the absolute last minute.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
It feels like there was supposed to be a courtroom scene that would have, like, mattered to our understanding of the characters in some way, but it got cut.

Malah
May 18, 2015

Yeah, that interruption seems placed just to gently caress with the player's timing.

Arist posted:

That aside, how are we going to get into the courtroom…?
Ryuji! Go piss off the police!
Hell no!
I can't quite articulate why, but this exchange almost had me on the floor.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

GunnerJ posted:

It feels like there was supposed to be a courtroom scene that would have, like, mattered to our understanding of the characters in some way, but it got cut.

That was definitely the impression I got a well.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
It made the dungeon feel less long than Okumurua's at least.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

Usually games cut content aren't really noticeable, but it's really jarring from Futaba's dungeon and on that they really did a lot of 11th hour rewrites

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




It's super weird that everyone discovers that you're a Phantom Thief as their rank 10 thing.

Like, it'd be nice if some people were less on the ball about it, and you could get away with 'No, sorry, I just left a message with your situation on the website and I guess you got lucky.' Since that's a thing after all.

Gruckles
Mar 11, 2013

They're supposed to be your "confidants" instead of just random people you hang out around for no particular reason, so I like that the bond gets solidified by them figuring out your identity and being chill about it.

Kevos Setzer
Dec 1, 2004

I can transform, right?

Malah posted:

Yeah, that interruption seems placed just to gently caress with the player's timing.

I can't quite articulate why, but this exchange almost had me on the floor.

Futaba: I have an idea!

Maaku: No arson.

Futaba: I don't have an idea.

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

Arist posted:

Hm…? I noticed a lot of students here, but is that Akechi-kun… and Makoto? Now that I think about it, there was a message about her coming… *sigh* That doesn’t matter for now.

"What could my sister be doing here in a public place that I know she has an interest in and that she told me specifically she would be coming to?"

I'm honestly not sure if that's just a bad translation, or Sae being the worst sister.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Stroth posted:

"What could my sister be doing here in a public place that I know she has an interest in and that she told me specifically she would be coming to?"

I'm honestly not sure if that's just a bad translation, or Sae being the worst sister.

First one, then the other.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

"Your Honor, I intend to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that MY SISTER IS TRASH JUST DIE"

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Really Pants posted:

"Your Honor, I intend to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that MY SISTER IS TRASH JUST DIE"

I’m suddenly visualizing making out with Makoto in the courtroom audience if you’re romancing her and seeing some AMAZING effects on Sae’s Palace after she notices.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


And yet we're pursuing Haru. What a waste.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I wish that Kawakami giving massages actually had animations and they would get sillier and more over the top as the game goes on.

Like, eventually she's folding you into a pretzel and bending your feet under your armpits and doing that 'Bend him!' scene from Men in Black 2.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

GunnerJ posted:

It feels like there was supposed to be a courtroom scene that would have, like, mattered to our understanding of the characters in some way, but it got cut.
Same here. If that was the case, my guess is that such a scene was tied to Maaku, like a parole hearing or something related to his probation that would get the gang involved in coming to courthouse. This would probably where the team would learn about the details of Maaku's arrest (or find out some details to the arrest that was not revealed yet), and set up things for later. But alas, as mentioned, a lot of the second half of the game has been sent through rewrite hell and come out the other side looking worse for wear.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Kith posted:

And yet we're pursuing Haru. What a waste.
If I'd have remembered that the doctor was an option If have made her name outta surgical tubing and junk I could get from my clinic buddy but I'd completely forgotten that you could pick the older ladies

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Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

If I'd have remembered that the doctor was an option If have made her name outta surgical tubing and junk I could get from my clinic buddy but I'd completely forgotten that you could pick the older ladies

I love that the whole point of that confidant is helping her discover that she didn't actually make a huge professional mistake, and then the option to encourage her to make a huge professional mistake by sleeping with an underage patient.

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