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SgtMongoose posted:Get Wedge and Biggs. Use Wedge as your leader and you will profit. Remove FBLuke and STHan, they are worthless against Wiggs, Lando, R2, and Han. That was pretty much my plan. I've added a maxed out mods on both of them now which improved them, but their GL is still pretty low. gently caress You And Diebold posted:The mod changes all sound great, especially taking mod challenges off of cantina energy That is great news.
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lots of mod info here (loud video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyaAr4_XlLU -mods getting their own energy -no more faction specific mod challenges (gently caress you jawas) -6 dot mods come from upgrading existing 5 dot gold mods, so dont have to worry about existing mods becoming worthless -if you have current green/blue mods with speed secondaries you havent leveled up yet, do so now before the mod changes because itll give you a better chance for higher max speed secondary
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Just as I finish getting 5-dot lvl-15 mods on the entire roster.
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God dammit I started farming Jawas like 3 weeks ago
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I'm very disappointed they are removing mods from cantina energy. While it means we get slightly more free energy per day, we will have to choose between refreshing cantina and refreshing mods. Keep in mind that now, refreshing mods will not give you cantina tokens anymore, but will give you stuff you need to rank up mods.
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Malgrin posted:I'm very disappointed they are removing mods from cantina energy. While it means we get slightly more free energy per day, we will have to choose between refreshing cantina and refreshing mods. Keep in mind that now, refreshing mods will not give you cantina tokens anymore, but will give you stuff you need to rank up mods. What Right now we have to choose between farming cantina and mods, and as someone deep into the vets is really dumb and frustrating. This is the best move I've seen them make since I started
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Malgrin posted:I'm very disappointed they are removing mods from cantina energy. While it means we get slightly more free energy per day, we will have to choose between refreshing cantina and refreshing mods. Keep in mind that now, refreshing mods will not give you cantina tokens anymore, but will give you stuff you need to rank up mods. If you've already got JTR I don't think this change is really aimed at you, but it also won't affect you that much. if you don't already have JTR and you're farming mods instead that's more of a comment on you
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:What Likes getting Cantina tokens from farming mods more than he likes being able to farm the actual shards from cantina nodes? I can't understand it either.
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Mugaaz posted:Likes getting Cantina tokens from farming mods more than he likes being able to farm the actual shards from cantina nodes? I can't understand it either. Yeah because late-game players don't need the Cantina characters but we do need the Shard currency.
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LMAO if you use cantina currency for shard shop and not fleetbux to buy more mods anyway.
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CaptainPsyko posted:LMAO if you use cantina currency for shard shop and not fleetbux to buy more mods anyway. For some reason I've always had enough fleet currency to get a mod whenever I needed to. I think I did well enough in the early incarnation of the ship board that I got a bit ahead of that part of the game. Of course now I'm behind in it again.
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mdemone posted:Yeah because late-game players don't need the Cantina characters but we do need the Shard currency. I'm about to slam every loving cantina energy I have into matt/silencer node. CaptainPsyko posted:LMAO if you use cantina currency for shard shop and not fleetbux to buy more mods anyway. No one has ever pointed this out to me before, but it seems like a good idea. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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mdemone posted:For some reason I've always had enough fleet currency to get a mod whenever I needed to. I think I did well enough in the early incarnation of the ship board that I got a bit ahead of that part of the game. Of course now I'm behind in it again. Just means you’re not using fleetbux to buy enough mods.
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I only remember to check the mod store 4 days out of 7, so I'm usually not dead on fleetbux.
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I mean, I mainly use ship material for mods already, but the last 4 sent had a single increase to speed upon leveling and I have yet to see a CD/CC triangle with CD primary and speed secondary the entire time I've been watching the mod store.
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I'm the only person in my ship shard's top 50 to run the Geo Trio and I haven't dropped below #5 on defense despite being 70-150k GP behind the other fleets around me. I think they're all terrified to fight a team that isn't Biggs/Vader/TIE.
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CubsWoo posted:I'm the only person in my ship shard's top 50 to run the Geo Trio and I haven't dropped below #5 on defense despite being 70-150k GP behind the other fleets around me. I think they're all terrified to fight a team that isn't Biggs/Vader/TIE. it's legitimately hard to handle with biggs in. His taunt-up buff mean he can't call assist a weakened target with Sunfac in the way, so it forces them to go hard on sunfac, but you can easily lose that fight. This is why I don't bring Biggs out front when I counter buggs.
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I used my latest zeta on R2's number cruncher ability. Is it worth slapping Zetas on both abilities when a character has 2 abilities that can be zeta'd? Like I should put one on Vaders unique, as I hosed that up and put it on his leader. I think next Zeta will go on Nihilus though.
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twistedmentat posted:I used my latest zeta on R2's number cruncher ability. Is it worth slapping Zetas on both abilities when a character has 2 abilities that can be zeta'd? Like I should put one on Vaders unique, as I hosed that up and put it on his leader. I think next Zeta will go on Nihilus though. Depends entirely on the abilities. R2? Yes. Both. In every situation Vader? Yes. Both. Leader for strong tank runs and both for fleet power (vader is the best star pilot in the galaxy... of heroes). Nihilus? Unique, yes. Leader? No. God no. Just as a reference, here's all the toons I've got with multi-zetas. 
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Aug 6, 2018 17:30
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Also dont zeta nihilus unless you are ready/planning on sion being your zeta after that and vice versa
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Also dont zeta nihilus unless you are ready/planning on sion being your zeta after that and vice versa Disagree slightly - if you’re using DN under Palp lead, regardless of the full lineup, you want that zeta. Of course if you’re using DN under palp lead and aren’t working on Sion to go with him, well, LMAO at you, what are you even doing anyway.
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DS's zeta is more important than DN's, imo, but they're both mandatory for EZPZ
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Chilichimp posted:DS's zeta is more important than DN's, imo, but they're both mandatory for EZPZ CaptainPsyko posted:Disagree slightly - if you’re using DN under Palp lead, regardless of the full lineup, you want that zeta. *assuming EZPZ team, and my DV is faster, which it usually is Fuck You And Diebold fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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DN is a great toon in a multitude of comps and everyone should have him, with a zeta, in their swiss-army-cupboard
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CaptainPsyko posted:Disagree slightly - if you’re using DN under Palp lead, regardless of the full lineup, you want that zeta. My Arena/GW team right now is Palp, Vader, DN, Tarkin and Sidious. I'm working on getting Sion now that I've 3*'d his node, but that s along, long way off, but he'll be replacing Sidious. I didn't know Gear effect ship battles that much, i'll probably put my next zeta on Vader then to complete him. I want a good backup team that will be rebels. I am going to have to put effort into Resistance characters if I want JTR and into Phoenix again to max out Thrawn though.
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Well, looks like I kicked a hornet's nest with that comment. Yeah, I actually don't care about cantina currency, and don't need it -- I see it overall as a slight improvement for me as I'll spend 0 cantina refreshes and 3 mod refreshes. For people who are still working on unlocking dudes through cantina, and working on getting mods, and so on, this is both good and bad -- I don't think everyone has really thought this through. If you are able to afford 1-2 cantina refreshes, you still have to choose between improving mods and improving your cantina farm. I'm going to assume that you will get 120 mod energy per day, and that it will cost 100 per refresh. I could be wrong about these things, but given ship energy, I doubt it. Additionally, you will need to spend on mod energy if you ever want to be able to upgrade your mods. So, as a player who has decent mods but wants to improve your mods, and who also wants to unlock JTR, you STILL have to choose between better mods and JTR, only now, choosing to work on mods prevents you from finishing some longer term projects like ST and whatnot, because you're not longer getting cantina tokens. Meanwhile, the people spending money on this game have yet another avenue to get ahead of you for cheap, because for them, an additional 300 crystals per day on mod energy is cheap. e: Basically this is one more avenue for everyone to fall behind people spending money Malgrin fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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You're still at least getting 120 energy worth of mods even without refreshing so that's still coming out ahead for your typical player making his way through the cantina roster
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Yeah, you'll have to choose which one you want to go faster with refreshes, but you'll still be getting both energy at once, which is a huge improvement over now where I havent spent cantina energy on mod challenges in months because I had to use it to unlock KRU for a FO team to unlock bb8, then death trooper for tie reaper (before ship rework), and now currently vets for RJT. I get the occasional mod from the mod store but those are super expensive and mean I essentially cant use ship material to upgrade ships. This is a massive improvement for me
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Yeah, you'll have to choose which one you want to go faster with refreshes, but you'll still be getting both energy at once, which is a huge improvement over now where I havent spent cantina energy on mod challenges in months because I had to use it to unlock KRU for a FO team to unlock bb8, then death trooper for tie reaper (before ship rework), and now currently vets for RJT. I get the occasional mod from the mod store but those are super expensive and mean I essentially cant use ship material to upgrade ships. This is a massive improvement for me Over the past year, farming mods constantly, you would rarely get improved mods, so you barely got ahead by farming mods. Now, you will get the ability to merge mods and make better mods, and you need currency you get from farming mods to do this. Anyone spending money on this game, or getting top payouts, will be able to put that into actually getting insane mods, while you will not. I've heard that merging mods will be very expensive and require rare materials to get the top mods - they are adding an additional tier of mods with this. Those mods will be significantly better, and you can ONLY get those mods by farming those mats with mod energy, think of like stun cuffs for leveling mods.  If the only thing they were doing was adding mod energy, and leaving everything else as is, this would be a spectacular change. I would've sent CG praise in their forums (well, probably not, I'm lazy). However, you can't take the addition of mod energy by itself because they are adding all of this other mod poo poo in at the same time. Malgrin fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Malgrin posted:Over the past year, farming mods constantly, you would rarely get improved mods, so you barely got ahead by farming mods. Now, you will get the ability to merge mods and make better mods, and you need currency you get from farming mods to do this. Anyone spending money on this game, or getting top payouts, will be able to put that into actually getting insane mods, while you will not. Thats how the current system works now. Whales will always be able to improve faster than those who dont spend money. But my rate of new mods will increase, and Ill be able to specifically go for mod sets I want. I guess for super end game players that already have great mod sets and everything they want from the cantina this might be annoying? But I feel like thats a tiny % of the community im also not sure what you mean by 'merge' mods? You arent combining multiple mods from what I understand, you'll get essentially mod salvage from mod nodes you'll use to upgrade existing mods, that will get a % boost based on already existing stats. So already having good mods is great, because they'll just get better once you upgrade them to 6 dot (note for speed they said itll be 3%, which depending on how rounding works might result in maybe a 1 speed increase, so speed sets wont drastically change even going to 6 dot)
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Thats how the current system works now. Whales will always be able to improve faster than those who dont spend money. But my rate of new mods will increase, and Ill be able to specifically go for mod sets I want. I guess for super end game players that already have great mod sets and everything they want from the cantina this might be annoying? But I feel like thats a tiny % of the community Sorry, I think their original idea was that you would have to merge multiple mods together (I heard this from beta people). It looks like it's now 'slicing' and you won't need to merge mods. You know how much it takes to farm an mk6 stun gun? Imagine that but for a mod to get it from 5a to 6e. And all that stuff has to be farmed from mod energy. Also, on speed mods, it looks like speed primary goes from 30 to 32, while speed secondaries go up 3% (supposedly rounded up). This means that anywhere from 17 speed up will get +1 speed. Speed set is remaining 10%. Malgrin fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Malgrin posted:I've heard that merging mods will be very expensive and require rare materials to get the top mods - they are adding an additional tier of mods with this. Those mods will be significantly better, and you can ONLY get those mods by farming those mats with mod energy, think of like stun cuffs for leveling mods. Ok? The new system will still be better for me because aside from the very rare and super expensive mod store mods that often end up being poo poo anyways im not able to improve mods in any way now. Im doing 3 cantina refreshes a day just to try and get vets done before the next RJT event and have precisely 0 extra cantina energy for mods and am usually too credit poor to spend any on the mod store, so maybe occasionally if there is a promising one that is ship credits Ill go for it, but the past 4 that had speed secondaries didnt get a single additional speed while leveling so Ive spent ~8mil ship credits and who knows how many actual credits leveling mods that ended with 3, 5, 4, 3 speed at level 12 anyways. The current system is complete bullshit and I havent had a mod upgrade in months and am not leveling any ships because I save it all for the mod store. Its garbage.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Its garbage. I guess my point is that they are replacing a garbage system with a garbage system, and you shouldn't be that happy about it. On the lower end of this game, it puts pressure to farm mod crap to improve mods or you'll fall behind. On the high end, it puts pressure to farm mod crap to improve mods or you'll fall behind. Before this change, I had 0 concern of falling behind in mods -- while I don't have spectacular mods, I have good enough mods, but pretty soon, everyone will have spectacular mods. e: I get that the ability to farm mods now, where before you weren't able to, sounds good, but I'm trying to tell you that long term, this is still bad for you. Malgrin fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Malgrin posted:I guess my point is that they are replacing a garbage system with a garbage system, and you shouldn't be that happy about it. On the lower end of this game, it puts pressure to farm mod crap to improve mods or you'll fall behind. On the high end, it puts pressure to farm mod crap to improve mods or you'll fall behind. Why would you be more concerned about falling behind on mods now then before? Nothing has changed for whales that are able to farm/upgrade/refresh mod store to get good mods faster than everyone else already. I mean we'll have to wait to actually see the impact that 6 dot mods have, but speed is king in arena and from the video it like a 12 speed secondary mod now will go to 13 at 6 dot, not exactly massive. And even if the new system ends up being garbage its still a net improvement from the current situation
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I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I give up my +20 speed square.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Why would you be more concerned about falling behind on mods now then before? Nothing has changed for whales that are able to farm/upgrade/refresh mod store to get good mods faster than everyone else already. I'm upset for a bunch of reasons. 1) There's a new thing I have to grind (mod slicing mats). This is dumb and lovely, and this game doesn't need to bloat more. 2) I know I look like a whale on here, but I'm competing with people on both arena and fleet that buy everything the second it hits marquee. They will be refreshing 10+ times per day, while I'm at 3. 3) These people already have the edge with 20+ speed mods, what happens when they get good upgrade rolls and have 3 characters with 150+ speed sets, while my best is still around 120? Also, there's been some talk about how specific factions will no longer be required for mods -- but they haven't really said how they are implementing it. I expect that the mod missions will get harder as you go along, so someone who could farm up lovely jawas and unlock CD mods might no longer be able to beat the mod mission because it's too hard (think when light side 9 hard missions where released) There's also just a ton we don't know about right now. As it stands, 5e mods have the same power level as 5a mods, what if that changes? 6e mods are all but guaranteed to have more power than 5 dot mods. How will that impact fleet arena?
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Malgrin posted:I'm upset for a bunch of reasons. The speed modifier going to 6 dot is 3%, and doesnt apply to primary. So if they take their current speed set and 6 dot everything itll be at most a 5 speed increase, which will make a difference but at least where I am in arena it isnt going to be make or break. I guess I get the point about this being something new to farm but they are adding in new energy to farm it with. If they had introduced 6 dot mods and kept them on cantina energy I wouldve been extremely pissed
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:The speed modifier going to 6 dot is 3%, and doesnt apply to primary. So if they take their current speed set and 6 dot everything itll be at most a 5 speed increase, which will make a difference but at least where I am in arena it isnt going to be make or break. I guess I get the point about this being something new to farm but they are adding in new energy to farm it with. If they had introduced 6 dot mods and kept them on cantina energy I wouldve been extremely pissed  Also, got (beta) confirmation from a friend, 5e to 5a will change the power of a mod, so pilots with gold mods will be better than pilots with white mods. e: in the past, this has always been true, but gold vs. white was due to level, e.g. a level 15 originally white mod had the same power value as a level 15 originally gold mod. Now a mod that starts white will have less power than a mod that starts gold. Malgrin fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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According to some of the numbers charts CG posted, the 3% on speed mods rounds up so you will get an increase anyway, gently caress you and diebold
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