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Duct Tape posted:Just completed my first full game of 40k! Goddamn I love Tablehammer. Amazon boxes and random household trash is unironically better terrain than 85% of the stuff you see on real tables.
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DrPop posted:This looks great, which paints did you use for it? Thanks. Gold is Retributor Gold, seraphim sepia, runefang steel Purple is xereus, drakenhof wash, genestealer, fulgrim pink. Blues are Thousand sons, drakenhof, baharoth, ulthuan grey.
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Aug 6, 2018 18:44
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jadebullet posted:I find that the Aggressors look pretty cool in person. It's a shame the flamer variant is so worthless. I feel like Aggressors is what they were trying to do when the created the Crusaders. I could see the flame ones useful if you were playing Salamanders, but not otherwise. I just build my 6 with the bolt storm gauntlets and frag launchers. They're the next thing on my paint table I think.
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Aug 6, 2018 18:57
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Aug 6, 2018 19:02
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Aug 6, 2018 19:07
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So is it a study case in how to make an affordable, engaging side game and how not to between Kill Team and Titanicus? Good lord, $60 just for the rulebook.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:07
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Hihohe posted:explain this to me. They are saying up front that there will be a second print run of the box set but not until next year. It's basically telling retailers to tell their customers  Preorder this is you want it because if not you might be waiting a year to get it.Also my lol at that price.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:11
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darnon posted:So is it a study case in how to make an affordable, engaging side game and how not to between Kill Team and Titanicus? Part of it has to be that Kill Team is aimed at the casual 40k player and intro gamer who they think they can get to jump from something like Infinity, while Titanicus is for the Bulbasaurs, Hencoes, and Hixsons of the world who spend $200 a week on resin bits that they pour milk over and eat for breakfast.
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darnon posted:Good lord, $60 just for the rulebook. It does also come with templates, dice, measurers, cards, tokens etc.
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I just can't imagine them selling many copies at $290. That is holy-poo poo level of pricing.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:16
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Deified Data posted:Goddamn I love Tablehammer. You'll love my Kill Team game this weekend, then. I don't have terrain, the shop apparently didn't, and my friend didn't assemble is terrain from the starter box. But we had lots of dice on hand, so...  (we hadn't finished setting up at this point)
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Aug 6, 2018 19:18
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There goes any interest from me. I think shipping from the uk would be cheaper at current exchange rates too.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:27
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mango sentinel posted:They are saying up front that there will be a second print run of the box set but not until next year. Or if it tanks, no second printing at all haha
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Aug 6, 2018 19:37
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Felime posted:There goes any interest from me. I think shipping from the uk would be cheaper at current exchange rates too. Don't worry. When Brexit kicks in I have no doubt we'll be investing in GW products to barter with colonials for food and medicine.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:40
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darnon posted:Good lord, $60 just for the rulebook.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:41
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As Kirioth brought up today on his channel, the worst part of the AT pricetag is not necessarily how steep it is but how steep it is for models and terrain that literally cannot be used in any other game system.Sab669 posted:You'll love my Kill Team game this weekend, then. That is indeed a very powerful set-up.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:42
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Yessssssss... weed out the filthy poors
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Aug 6, 2018 19:46
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Deified Data posted:As Kirioth brought up today on his channel, the worst part of the AT pricetag is not necessarily how steep it is but how steep it is for models and terrain that literally cannot be used in any other game system.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:50
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Blood Bowl, AoS, LotR, Necromunda have sick kitbashing potential, and your Space Marines can be used in 40k, Horus Heresy, Kill Team, Calth, etc.. I guess I don't know what purpose a bunch of Squat Knights are going to serve when enthusiasm for this system dies (which may be sooner rather than later given the buy-in price), besides being nice decorations. Not pointless, necessarily, but you catch my drift. I guess it opens up a lot of potential for Knight kitbashes using the Warlords?
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Deified Data posted:As Kirioth brought up today on his channel, the worst part of the AT pricetag is not necessarily how steep it is but how steep it is for models and terrain that literally cannot be used in any other game system. GW used to put up 'one-click bundles' on their website containing all of the new products for that release window. It had no discount and the idea was roundly (and rightfully) mocked. I think it's hilarious that the time they make a discounted bundle box containing everything from this release window, and people still aren't happy. Also any group interested in buying this will have people dying to break out their old Epic: Armageddon stuff to use with these new modern titans & buildings.
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Safety Factor posted:Ok, seriously, what is with this line of reasoning and why is it so pervasive all of a sudden? I've seen it from a few people now and it's dumb as heck. Are people saying the same thing about Blood Bowl? Age of Sigmar? I can't use my marines in Necromunda so I guess they suck now. All my Dropzone Commander models are just trash because I can't play them in 40k. Because with Kill Team you can. That's all. If GW hadn't just released a relatively cheap game that can let you repurpose your old models, then no one would care that you can't use a Titan in another game. Though I think they would still care about the $300 price tag. Yikes! That said, given the size of a AT Warlord is only a little smaller than an Imperial Knight, I could see re-purposing one into a Knight...especially into one of the goofy Forge World ones that no one really knows what they look like anyway.
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Ghazk posted:Yessssssss... weed out the filthy poors 30k Mk II
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jng2058 posted:Because with Kill Team you can. That's all. If GW hadn't just released a relatively cheap game that can let you repurpose your old models, then no one would care that you can't use a Titan in another game. Though I think they would still care about the $300 price tag. Yikes! Yeah. I think dreadnought sized warlords would have been a lot better. Making the starter box 290 bucks is a massive barrier to entry, and the scale is probably the main driver of that.
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Aug 6, 2018 20:03
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Extremely hyped for this.
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If any UK goons want to start a business shipping "gifts" of warhams out of the eurozone I'd be happy to make it worth your while.
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Deified Data posted:As Kirioth brought up today on his channel, the worst part of the AT pricetag is not necessarily how steep it is but how steep it is for models and terrain that literally cannot be used in any other game system. I have some 6mm terrain for historicals that will go great for AT. I’m extremely looking forward to combining it with the buildings from the box I’m going to get, because the game looks good.
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xtothez posted:They're pretty big. OK that's a little better, I thought they were between box dread and Contemptor sized. Still, 300 bucks is a rough pill. At least it'll be easy to avoid for a little while.
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This whole thing just makes me think of the King Cobra golf club they priced at $1200 just to test whether you could charge that for a golf club. Turns out you could.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I have some 6mm terrain for historicals that will go great for AT. I’m extremely looking forward to combining it with the buildings from the box I’m going to get, because the game looks good. I got the Dropzone Commander terrain box, a coupleof mdf kits and all the buildings from Epic 2nd ed, so I am sorted to cover a 6 by 4 with urban stuff.
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JBP posted:This whole thing just makes me think of the King Cobra golf club they priced at $1200 just to test whether you could charge that for a golf club. Turns out you could. $300 strikes me as one of the lower bars to entry for a GW game- one of the highest value boxes up until now was Calth, which was ~1k points of HH for about $125 after discounts. This one will be ~$250ish after FLG markdowns and get you probably the equivalent of a 2k army, but also enough terrain to make a battlefield and all the rules and accessories you need to play. It would have been nice to have a lower price point “start collecting” box with no rulebook, less models and no terrain to ramp into an army, but the value represented in the grand master box seems pretty good all things considered.
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Oof, at that price point it is a hard pass. I will probably pick up the Warlord at some point just to paint it, but there is not going to be much of a player base for AT in my area if Necromunda was any indicator.
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Surprising absolutely no one, my game club and I already have an order prepped for 8 of the boxed sets. Get out, poors. *Chugs juice from a hollowed out Warlord head*
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jadebullet posted:Oof, at that price point it is a hard pass. I will probably pick up the Warlord at some point just to paint it, but there is not going to be much of a player base for AT in my area if Necromunda was any indicator. Pretty much this. Around hear Kill Team has been absolutely flying off the shelf. The local store I was at yesterday can't keep the boxes in stock. Despite going like gang busters, there are presently zero organized local events for it. I'm not likeling the chances for a new game system which requires terrain on a different scale than everything else. Unless you've got a rich friend whose going to buy the terrain, or a gaming club that decides to commit to it, it seems hard to justify the large buy in. Maneck fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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tallkidwithglasses posted:$300 strikes me as one of the lower bars to entry for a GW game- one of the highest value boxes up until now was Calth, which was ~1k points of HH for about $125 after discounts. This one will be ~$250ish after FLG markdowns and get you probably the equivalent of a 2k army, but also enough terrain to make a battlefield and all the rules and accessories you need to play. From what people were saying in Discord earlier you get half to 2/3rds of an army.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:$300 strikes me as one of the lower bars to entry for a GW game- one of the highest value boxes up until now was Calth, which was ~1k points of HH for about $125 after discounts. This one will be ~$250ish after FLG markdowns and get you probably the equivalent of a 2k army, but also enough terrain to make a battlefield and all the rules and accessories you need to play. I'm sure they'll do a start collecting or some variation later. I'm talking more that they're pushing out pretty hard on what kind of money people are willing to drop on a new standalone game box. This is a very expensive box that is not compatible with your other investments is my only thought. I raised the golf club because it was revealed later to be a really cynical test of their customers willingness to part with cash in one hit. E: I'm not saying that's what this is, I'm just saying they've gone big on it and the limited run attests to FW wondering how it's going to go. JBP fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Broken Record Talk posted:Surprising absolutely no one, my game club and I already have an order prepped for 8 of the boxed sets. My FLGS has 50 
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:From what people were saying in Discord earlier you get half to 2/3rds of an army. That still seems like a great deal and offhand I can’t think of a box set or sets that gets you further along than that. A 40k army is generally about $500 to get to 2k-ish points and that’s using lots of start collecting boxes and not accounting for rules or terrain.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Part of it has to be that Kill Team is aimed at the casual 40k player and intro gamer who they think they can get to jump from something like Infinity, while Titanicus is for the Bulbasaurs, Hencoes, and Hixsons of the world who spend $200 a week on resin bits that they pour milk over and eat for breakfast. I grind it into a fine powder and snort it thank you very much. 
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The grand master box at $290 builds about 1500 points, has all the rules, and has some terrain. Add one more warlord for $110 to bring you up to $400 total and you've hit 2k. A 2000 point 40k army (one BA detachment, one IG detachment, one castellan, 2 helverins) is $475, and includes 0 terrain or rules. Yes, you can get started in 40k for cheaper, and I'd hope that in a few months there will be cheaper starter options for titanicus. But it just doesn't make any sense to say titanicus costs too much, when it appears to be priced similarly or cheaper than 40k, just with each model costing more and you needing fewer of them. It's probably not enough terrain for a full table, but no other starter box for a non-skirmish game has had enough for a full table, and 6/8/10mm terrain is pretty available and cheap, since it doesn't need as much detail as 28mm terrain. If you've got a gaming club then a couple people all pitching their terrain into a communal collection will give you enough.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Part of it has to be that Kill Team is aimed at the casual 40k player and intro gamer who they think they can get to jump from something like Infinity, while Titanicus is for the Bulbasaurs, Hencoes, and Hixsons of the world who spend $200 a week on resin bits that they pour milk over and eat for breakfast. lmao
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