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Patware posted:i mean she actually thought she alone would manage to pass because her class environment apparently sucks and is cutthroat and that the other students would leave momo behind That was a really weird sentiment too though because her class appeared to work together extremely well, like that entire plan was really well put together right up until she was alone when she thought a regular locked door would be enough to discourage three heroes in training from helping their classmate with a single enemy. It would've been better if her class had displayed any of these characteristics prior to being knocked out, giving us a reason to believe that she'd think this. But no, they were really cooperative.
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Also she needed to eliminate two people in order to pass, so wouldn't she still be stuck on her own even if she did eliminate Momo?
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Viridiant posted:That was a really weird sentiment too though because her class appeared to work together extremely well, like that entire plan was really well put together right up until she was alone when she thought a regular locked door would be enough to discourage three heroes in training from helping their classmate with a single enemy. oh it was loving dumb for sure
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Rhonne posted:Also she needed to eliminate two people in order to pass, so wouldn't she still be stuck on her own even if she did eliminate Momo? If she was really playing it smart, she'd eliminate two of her own teammates once they were all downed and move on without fuss. I mean, they were going to lose either way. Might as well advance the cause, right?
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filler episodes are almost always lazy and bad so it's to be expected
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Things Momo didn't think about: You can make a battery powered space heater Instead of making a blanket, why not a whole thermal tent for everyone to sit inside so you no longer have a clock ticking If their plan is to rush you after x period of time of waiting in the cold, you can just wire a flashbang to the door so it goes off when they charge in or any infinite variant on this because their plan revolves around you being on the defense and your possibilities are nearly infinite thanks to your quirk The resolution was fine but the attempt at creating tension fell flat
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Aug 7, 2018 06:19
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Eej posted:Things Momo didn't think about : It's weird because there's two forms of tension already existing. Needing to be the first 100 to pass and needing to protect your three targets. Why is team momo hiding? None of them ate a hit the entire time. They weren't down to a single marker unable to act for fear of taking a hit. Why not go with the good old standby? Cannon the door down. They aren't forced into the room they just start there.
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Onmi posted:It's weird because there's two forms of tension already existing. Needing to be the first 100 to pass and needing to protect your three targets. Why is team momo hiding? None of them ate a hit the entire time. They weren't down to a single marker unable to act for fear of taking a hit. Jirou got her ear and amplifier sniped, which pinned them down long enough for the doors to be welded shut, at which point they couldn't move anymore.
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Eej posted:Things Momo didn't think about : To be fair the handwave that Horikoshi (and filler episode writers) have for these is "Momo doen't know that item", given they make a point of delineating that she needs a in-depth knowledge of the item she wants to reproduce, including the materials used and structure. She knows a space heater, but does she know how to make a battery-powered one? She knows how to make a flashbang, but does she know how to make a wire-activated one? etc etc. It's a copout but it's there.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Jirou got her ear and amplifier sniped, which pinned them down long enough for the doors to be welded shut, at which point they couldn't move anymore. No that they were in the building not moving in the first place. This isn't an endurance exam it's a speed exam with limited slots. If they had been driven into that room by worse nezu with their targets getting tagged and essentially forced into a place they could be locked down and couldn't risk a fight. Then we have tension. Instead they're in the room get trapped and it's all weird and tensionless
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Conot posted:To be fair the handwave that Horikoshi (and filler episode writers) have for these is "Momo doen't know that item", given they make a point of delineating that she needs a in-depth knowledge of the item she wants to reproduce, including the materials used and structure. That's literally why she has the encyclopedia as part of her outfit in the first place though. She even used it in the episode to look up the amplifier she made, because she didn't know how to make that either.
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Dragonatrix posted:That's literally why she has the encyclopedia as part of her outfit in the first place though. She even used it in the episode to look up the amplifier she made, because she didn't know how to make that either. I must have missed her using the encyclopedia then  me
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Conot posted:To be fair the handwave that Horikoshi (and filler episode writers) have for these is "Momo doen't know that item", given they make a point of delineating that she needs a in-depth knowledge of the item she wants to reproduce, including the materials used and structure. I'll grant you that she probably didn't think of it at the time but she definitely should be able to make all of those considering she made an amp. Also a wire activated flashbang is just literally making one of her flashbangs, then making a wire, tying the wire to the pin of the flashbang and the door knob and figuring out how to leverage the movement of the door to pull the pin (glue the flashbang to the floor, make a pulley ceiling so that the flashbang catches on it when the door is opened far enough, etc)
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By the time the other school broke through the door they'd be heavily debilitated from the cold. Even if they can counter that just flashbanging them isn't a solid strategy, especially when they don't know the quirks they're up against. It's not like a fairly depleted Momo, Shoji, Tsuyu and an injured Jiro are top tier fighters. In that kind of situation taking them all out super-quickly with a sonic attack from a position of safety is a pretty good strategy. Maybe they should have had her throw out some other strategies but I think the point is that she was trying to think of something viable that the other team wouldn't have anticipated and couldn't just muscle through with superior numbers and conditions.
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Nephthys posted:By the time the other school broke through the door they'd be heavily debilitated from the cold. Even if they can counter that just flashbanging them isn't a solid strategy, especially when they don't know the quirks they're up against. It's not like a fairly depleted Momo, Shoji, Tsuyu and an injured Jiro are top tier fighters. In that kind of situation taking them all out super-quickly with a sonic attack from a position of safety is a pretty good strategy. That they got into that situation in the first place was stupid. Maybe after Jiro getting blasted by sounds should have sent them running since clearly the enemy knew who they were and what they'd be doing. When they started shattering the windows to BLIND THEM the room lost all tactical advantage When they stayed in one place, where the enemy knew they were there, they DIDN'T know where the enemy was, with a guy who can create eyes to peer around corners and a girl who can TURN INVISIBLE. Is the stupidest. The fact was none of them had taken a hit, and there were two exits. If they run into the guys trying to weld the door? Who the gently caress cares, the loving exercise is about defeating and tagging the enemy. Not surviving till a time limit, they SHOULD be hunting down enemies. In fact the moment the door started to be welded, seeing as we can tell that the kids can kick those doors down, Momo can create cannons and at that point, Jiro could still do sonic waves, why the gently caress wouldn't they immediately burst through guns blazing?
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I don't think it was all in all that stupid but really they should've just put them up against a more combat-oriented team that constantly forced them to take action to prevent Momo from having time to think. The problem is that filler is usually ~budget~ material so you can't have too much action going on.
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Onmi posted:That they got into that situation in the first place was stupid. Maybe after Jiro getting blasted by sounds should have sent them running since clearly the enemy knew who they were and what they'd be doing. When they started shattering the windows to BLIND THEM the room lost all tactical advantage When they stayed in one place, where the enemy knew they were there, they DIDN'T know where the enemy was, with a guy who can create eyes to peer around corners and a girl who can TURN INVISIBLE. Is the stupidest. The fact was none of them had taken a hit, and there were two exits. If they run into the guys trying to weld the door? Who the gently caress cares, the loving exercise is about defeating and tagging the enemy. Not surviving till a time limit, they SHOULD be hunting down enemies. In fact the moment the door started to be welded, seeing as we can tell that the kids can kick those doors down, Momo can create cannons and at that point, Jiro could still do sonic waves, why the gently caress wouldn't they immediately burst through guns blazing? The issue with that is that they know entire classes are working together whereas 1-A got split into small teams. The reason they're running around in the first place is to try and find the rest of their class so they can work together. They're at a pretty huge disadvantage just running into combat without a plan or any information, particularly since everyone already knows their quirks and none of them are stand-out fighters. Plus Jiro did try to burst through guns blazing and was instantly hit by the sniper.
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Nephthys posted:The issue with that is that they know entire classes are working together whereas 1-A got split into small teams. The reason they're running around in the first place is to try and find the rest of their class so they can work together. They're at a pretty huge disadvantage just running into combat without a plan or any information, particularly since everyone already knows their quirks and none of them are stand-out fighters. She was hit by a sniper after the windows were shattered, as I said, the moment she was blasted with the sound attack they should have left. And irrelevant, there are four of them, even if they're being hunted, that's a good thing they need to pass quickly, they do not have the luxury of time. And none of them had even taken a hit. When you compare it to Aoyama and Iida later, where they were actually in danger and Aoyama decided he needed to make a sacrifice for the good of the class, it's ridiculous. Being in the building doesn't help them. In fact compared to literally every other student, their struggle is slow, meandering, and pointless. They actually ONLY passed because the idiot squad decided to target them, and only because of Momo. When you consider that Sero, Uraraka and Deku all work in tandem, that Kirishima saving Bakugo, Bakugo saving Kaminari, and then Kaminari defeating Cancerman, and literally everything with the rest of the class, it's ridiculous. The entire rest of the exam is a chaotic hectic mess because there are thousands of heroes aiming for only 100 slots. But in the midst of all this insanity, not only do 4 UA students manage to escape to the building, but they're slowly and methodically targeted by a group of idiots lead by a super-idiot who doesn't understand people can open doors after you've closed them. An episode where nothing happens completely at odds with the pacing and tone of the entire rest of the exam, instead of focusing on the camaraderie of the team, it instead gets solved by Momo and then it's all about teamwork because they opened a door that was closed 2 seconds ago. Which is quadruply hosed when you remember the whole point of this exam is the OPPOSITE of heroes sitting on their thumbs waiting for someone with a quirk to solve the situation to show up, because they realize they need a lot of heroes with an emphasis on TEAMWORK. You can say whatever you want, but it's a terrible episode, terrible even for filler, and directly reduces Momo's character by having her be indecisive again after her Rising, and reduces what little Souji, Jiro, and Tsuyu had by making them essentially her hanger-ons. EDIT: And it's the exact opposite of what my friend talked about regarding the Kamino arc. in Kamino, the Police were utterly on the ball, the heroes incredibly competent, and it showed that they were a threat and force to be reckoned with. Then, when All For One came and utterly crushed them, he looks good, because the heroes look good. Because they didn't do anything wrong and their plan didn't have any flaws or mistakes. Here, the filler squad don't look good, because the UA kids look dumb. they look stupid and slow and they only win because Momo decided to hit the "We win" button, which doesn't make THEM look any better, because IQ girls plan had so many holes entirely focused on things going an exact way, which could have been broken at 1000 different points and had no accountability for "And they attack back." Onmi fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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They should have added a personal reason for why Tea Girl was obsessed with Momo. Don't even have to explicitly show what happened but just make it clear that no matter what happens, even if she ends up failing too, her goal is to make sure that Momo fails. Have Tea Girl act like a Bond Villain stroking their cat and monologuing about their perfect plan. Then it's another lesson about "heros" acting villainous.
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Nephthys posted:By the time the other school broke through the door they'd be heavily debilitated from the cold. Even if they can counter that just flashbanging them isn't a solid strategy, especially when they don't know the quirks they're up against. It's not like a fairly depleted Momo, Shoji, Tsuyu and an injured Jiro are top tier fighters. In that kind of situation taking them all out super-quickly with a sonic attack from a position of safety is a pretty good strategy. The cold is already dumb cause Momo could've made a thermal tent and they could've sat inside warming up while they figured out what to do. To be fair, they failed at writing a super genius antagonist so it's not surprising they didn't explore all the possibilities of Momo's quirk.
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Eej posted:The cold is already dumb cause Momo could've made a thermal tent and they could've sat inside warming up while they figured out what to do. To be fair, they failed at writing a super genius antagonist so it's not surprising they didn't explore all the possibilities of Momo's quirk. Momo's weakness is that her quirk is almost too strong so she gets confused figuring out the best thing to make for any situation. If the Tea Girl had made use of that confusion by offering her too many options and then overwhelming their group that would have been amazing. Since that's what happened to Momo during the sport's festival when Tokoyami kicked her rear end. Apply the cold, talk about how it will hinder Froppy* and the group while preparing an all out assault while Momo is confused trying to figure out how to counter the cold. Meanwhile Momo ignores the cold and counters their assault by effectively using Jiro's and Shoji's quirks. Either it should have been a personal rivalry between Tea Girl and Momo or it should have been a strategy based around weaknesses seen at the Sports Festival. Instead it was just weak and disappointing. *although how she knew that Froppy would be that weak to cold was never explained either.
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Rouncer posted:*although how she knew that Froppy would be that weak to cold was never explained either.
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Man ya'll care way too much about a filler episode
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I guess people expect more from mha filler considering there wasn't any in previous seasons (at least not that I can remember) and the show isn't set up like one piece or dbz where they need to make a bunch of it to avoid catching up to the manga but it's still filler and you should go in with really low expectations
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Manatee Cannon posted:I guess people expect more from mha filler considering there wasn't any in previous seasons (at least not that I can remember) and the show isn't set up like one piece or dbz where they need to make a bunch of it to avoid catching up to the manga There was the Froppy oriented episode but I don't remember many people having a problem with it. I thought it was fine.
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This filler is less to avoid catching up to the manga and more to smooth out the cour so it can end at a good point. Same with the Froppy filler last season.
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I wish they had an episode or two of that in the first season, since it moved sooo slowly.
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Stexils posted:this isnt even the anime thread
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Onmi posted:Snip Holy poo poo dude. Maybe next time just link us to your blog. You're getting real nitpicky if you're mad that the characters had the gall to take a few seconds to check if Jiro was ok and confirm the situation before running to cover when attacked by a sniper. Nothing in that sequence happens in an unnatural way, its fine. And I'm pretty sure that it isn't irrelevant that they'd get the piss kicked out of them by trying to fight an entire class by themselves. The whole reason that Bakugo-Kirashima-Kaminari conga line happened was because Bakugo was running around half-cocked and with no plan. Just saying 'they don't have the luxury of time' doesn't cut it. Its way more of a risk to fight a losing battle than to wait a bit longer. Plus if you actually pay attention you'll see I never said I thought it was a good episode. It was mediocre and I agree with some of the stuff you said. I don't agree that it was terrible but I don't really care to argue the point. I even complained that Momo's power wasn't used in a dynamic way in the anime thread. I just thought you were all getting carried away trying to 'solve' the episode in ways worse than what the writers came up with. The situation did actually make sense in that they were outnumbered and sufficiently countered and Momo's solution was good. Eej posted:The cold is already dumb cause Momo could've made a thermal tent and they could've sat inside warming up while they figured out what to do. To be fair, they failed at writing a super genius antagonist so it's not surprising they didn't explore all the possibilities of Momo's quirk. How would making a thermal tent big enough for 4 people be better than just blocking the vents? You've still the same issue of her running low on resources and now they'll all be huddled together, able to be taken out with a single good attack when the enemy team bursts in which they could do at any moment. Plus I'd never even heard of a thermal tent before today. I doubt a sheltered girl like Momo has either. This is always an issue when you try and nitpick what characters 'could've done' in a story. You open yourself up to being counter-nitpicked.
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Nephthys posted:Holy poo poo dude. Maybe next time just link us to your blog. You should really not right a post just as long after saying something this dumb.
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Froppy episode was so bland it kinda cooled me on her a little when it aired honestly. I know that's not a great reason but that episode just was like the most nothing filler and she really hasn't done anything in a long time.
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https://twitter.com/heronewsnetwork/status/1026951082239516672
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filler should be cool slice of life stuff like them checking out each other's rooms, when it tries to expand on glossed over fights it's by nature going to be ultimately pointless and underwhelming because the story works without it
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